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Posted: February 26, 2013 5:02 p.m.
Updated: February 26, 2013 5:02 p.m.
 

A new conference center in Santa Clarita could cost the city $2 million a year to finance, on top of the estimated cost of more than $20 million to build the facility itself, according to estimates presented Tuesday.

Wil Soholt, a senior vice president with Kosmont Companies, which is aiding in the master planning process for the proposed center, told city officials Tuesday that even the most successful of conference centers around the nation often fail to cover the cost of both running and constructing the facility.

“(The center) is something that should not be expected, necessarily, to be a moneymaker on its own,” Soholt said.

During his presentation in City Hall, Soholt outlined two potential plans for a new conference center. The first was for a 55,000-square-foot facility in size that would include a 20,000-square-foot ballroom, 10,000 square feet of additional meeting rooms and a 6,000-square-foot outdoor event space.

This floor plan, which Soholt said was recommended based on market research, could attract up to 45,000 patrons a year.

But a structure of this size would come with a hefty construction price tag: anywhere from $18 million to $27.5 million, Soholt estimated.

These estimates also do not include additional costs associated with building a parking structure that could go with the facility. Structured parking could cost between $7.5 million to $17.5 million, Soholt said.

None of these estimates include the cost of purchasing land, Soholt said. And the city could need as much as 11.7 acres to house a 55,000-square-foot center.

The other potential blueprint was for a 40,700-square-foot facility. While cheaper, this proposal would also carry a total sticker price of about $20 million for construction, Soholt said.

On top of the cost of building and maintaining a conference center, the city would also have to pay to finance it, likely through bonds.

Soholt estimated annual debt-service payments on bonds could cost between $1.1 million and $2.1 million a year.

Comparatively, the city would only reap between $150,000 and $250,000 per year in additional tax revenues as a result of people visiting the center, Soholt said.

The city retained the hospitality research firm PKF Consulting USA in 2010 to examine if there was a market and public demand to support a conference center. During its analysis, delivered in 2011, PKF determined Santa Clarita could likely support a center between 40,000 and 60,000 square feet in size, according to city documents.

The city later enlisted the services of Kosmont, a development services firm, and the Gensler architectural design and planning firm in 2012 to develop a conference center master plan.

Tuesday’s meeting was an update on the progress of that plan.

The city held two public meetings to gain input on the proposed center, one in November and one in December.

During those meetings, residents made it clear that they favored a larger conference center, Soholt said.

City Manager Ken Striplin said the next step is for the City Council to weigh in on the plan at a future meeting, likely in late March or early April.

But if comments made Tuesday are any indication, the plan could face an uphill battle for council approval.

Councilman TimBen Boydston said building something that is not self-sufficient would not be in the best interest of taxpayers or city finances.

“If I had run my private business with a $2 million deficit each year, I’d have been out of business in about 10 minutes,” Boydston said.

Mayor Bob Kellar said he agreed with the financial concerns and floated the idea of forging a partnership with the owners of the Saugus Speedway to use land in the area for the center, potentially saving the city money.

“Unless something of that kind happens, I don’t see that (the center) is going to go any place,” Kellar said.

Lmoney@signalscv.com
661-287-5525
On Twitter @LukeMMoney

Feb. 26, 2013 05:02p.m. EST Conference center could come with hefty price tag The Signal

A new conference center in Santa Clarita could cost the city $2 million a year to finance, on top of the estimated cost of more than $20 million to build the facility itself, according to estimates presented Tuesday.

Wil Soholt, a senior vice president with Kosmont Companies, which is aiding in the master planning process for the proposed center, told city officials Tuesday that even the most successful of conference centers around the nation often fail to cover the cost of both running and constructing the facility.

“(The center) is something that should not be expected, necessarily, to be a moneymaker on its own,” Soholt said.

During his presentation in City Hall, Soholt outlined two potential plans for a new conference center. The first was for a 55,000-square-foot facility in size that would include a 20,000-square-foot ballroom, 10,000 square feet of additional meeting rooms and a 6,000-square-foot outdoor event space.

This floor plan, which Soholt said was recommended based on market research, could attract up to 45,000 patrons a year.

But a structure of this size would come with a hefty construction price tag: anywhere from $18 million to $27.5 million, Soholt estimated.

These estimates also do not include additional costs associated with building a parking structure that could go with the facility. Structured parking could cost between $7.5 million to $17.5 million, Soholt said.

None of these estimates include the cost of purchasing land, Soholt said. And the city could need as much as 11.7 acres to house a 55,000-square-foot center.

The other potential blueprint was for a 40,700-square-foot facility. While cheaper, this proposal would also carry a total sticker price of about $20 million for construction, Soholt said.

On top of the cost of building and maintaining a conference center, the city would also have to pay to finance it, likely through bonds.

Soholt estimated annual debt-service payments on bonds could cost between $1.1 million and $2.1 million a year.

Comparatively, the city would only reap between $150,000 and $250,000 per year in additional tax revenues as a result of people visiting the center, Soholt said.

The city retained the hospitality research firm PKF Consulting USA in 2010 to examine if there was a market and public demand to support a conference center. During its analysis, delivered in 2011, PKF determined Santa Clarita could likely support a center between 40,000 and 60,000 square feet in size, according to city documents.

The city later enlisted the services of Kosmont, a development services firm, and the Gensler architectural design and planning firm in 2012 to develop a conference center master plan.

Tuesday’s meeting was an update on the progress of that plan.

The city held two public meetings to gain input on the proposed center, one in November and one in December.

During those meetings, residents made it clear that they favored a larger conference center, Soholt said.

City Manager Ken Striplin said the next step is for the City Council to weigh in on the plan at a future meeting, likely in late March or early April.

But if comments made Tuesday are any indication, the plan could face an uphill battle for council approval.

Councilman TimBen Boydston said building something that is not self-sufficient would not be in the best interest of taxpayers or city finances.

“If I had run my private business with a $2 million deficit each year, I’d have been out of business in about 10 minutes,” Boydston said.

Mayor Bob Kellar said he agreed with the financial concerns and floated the idea of forging a partnership with the owners of the Saugus Speedway to use land in the area for the center, potentially saving the city money.

“Unless something of that kind happens, I don’t see that (the center) is going to go any place,” Kellar said.

Lmoney@signalscv.com
661-287-5525
On Twitter @LukeMMoney

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Comments

BBennetts: Posted: February 27, 2013 3:33 a.m.

"Councilman TimBen Boydston said building something that is not self-sufficient would not be in the best interest of taxpayers or city finances."

Ya think? Thanks TimBen!


missyJk: Posted: February 27, 2013 3:38 a.m.

we dont want any more traffic or follies that will cost this city any more unnecessary money so they can use it to raise taxes on us property owners enough is enough


lars: Posted: February 27, 2013 10:10 a.m.

The people have no say in anything the city wants to do.
Whether you like it or not, the city has its own agenda.
These are part of the items suppoted by Santa Clarita Urban Management.
Lets tax the residents to get what WE want.

1. The city has spent a good deal of money on consultants for a new conference center. Big ballrooms are needed by the city. We dont have one! It will go through the current city council, with bonds funded by the taxpayers paying for it. Lets stick it to the taxpayers.

2. The city has spent nearly 50 Million dollars in downtown newhall. Now they are going to spend more adding a roundabout, so people can see their taj majal. If a traffic analysis is performed, rather than grandmothers whims, there is no need to spend money on it.

3. The city is pushing to develop on the toxic waste site. Across the street from the toxic dump, 300 homes from Villa metro are being built now without any qualified testing of contamination. Legally the city is bound to any lawsuits. If the city is sued from people getting sick, the taxpayers will pay.
Now they approved low income vetern housing on property adjacent to the toxic site without any qualified testing. If they believe toxic waste is only on the whitaker bermite property, how did it spread to the water company wells along the river next to city hall?

4. This city has been planning the addition of the new walmart at the mall. Although this will result in decreased parking, increased traffic, and an overall negative opinion of the mall, it will go through.

Meanwhile, a recent signal survey stated that the number one issue in santa clarita is traffic.
The traffic has gotten out of hand so much that there is gridlock at intersections during rush hour. This is not an issue with the city, as they havent planned any feasible alternatives.
Villa Metro is a business/residential area and they planned on a footbridge to the metrolink station as a major transportation access point. Really!
The present drive on soledad from bouquet to whites canyon takes about 5 minutes. After the construction of villa metro and the conference center at the saugus speedway, it will take an hour.


LStaedtler: Posted: February 27, 2013 11:30 a.m.

Always comical to hear lars delusion of reality.


Baddog1: Posted: February 27, 2013 11:36 a.m.

Yet another money pit that I/we will have to pay for, and I/we will never use or benefit from.


NotSoAwesomeTown: Posted: February 27, 2013 1:12 p.m.

I don't know....a lot of what Lars posted doesn't seem delusional to at all.


sreilly11: Posted: February 27, 2013 1:55 p.m.

2 roads into this town and 2 roads out of this town.....add 45,000 projected patrons to use this facility......have fun getting down Soledad if this ends up being built at the Swap Meet site. The plus side......45,000 more toll payers!!!!


chefgirl358: Posted: February 27, 2013 2:22 p.m.

Lars...Westfield is who wanted to put in Walmart at the mall. The city is NOT for the project and in fact, Westfield has pulled back on the idea for now after being shocked at the reaction from the city and residents who think it's a horrible idea. I spoke with a lady (Jessica) at the city planning commission and SCV is opposed to the Walmart mall idea, thank god. I do however, agree with most of everything else you said. I think the Newhall roundabout, complete with a hideous piece of expensive artwork in the middle of it, is a HORRENDOUS idea and I emailed the city and told them as much. Of course I got some retarded reply about how great it will be, made me want to barf.

As far as the whole conference center thing though, how can most conference centers not recoup their costs? People pay tons of money to go to convention centers for stuff. Every year my hubby and I go to things like the LA Auto show or the Intl motorcycle show at Long Beach Convention Center, and it's usually like $15 - $25 per person, with $8 drinks and so on and so forth. Those are just two examples, we actually go to several shows throughout the year at various locations, and I can't believe those places aren't rolling in the dough with what they charge. But, if they're tellling the city it really will cost that much and they'll lose money on it, then I hope to god they aren't actually dumb enough to build it anyway.


Rocketeer: Posted: February 27, 2013 3:26 p.m.

If there is a good business case for a Conference Center then let the private sector build and operate it. If there is not then no one should build it.

I would much rather have the City spend money on things that improve quality of life here in the SCV, like the paseos or easing traffic congestion.


Bdeezine: Posted: February 27, 2013 3:52 p.m.

Agree with Rocketeer, much to his chagrin and disappointment.


lovelife: Posted: February 27, 2013 4:36 p.m.

"Even the most successful of conference centers around the nation often fail to cover the cost of both running and constructing the facility."

Maybe so, but apparently Las Vegas doesn't seem to be complaining with ALL the business conferences that go on there.

But, this is NOT Las Vegas, so city council, don't try to make it one!


chefgirl358: Posted: February 27, 2013 7:25 p.m.

Rocketeer, totally agree with you. Let a private company build it. The city should concentrate on other stuff.



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