Wow glad she was not hurt. Sometimes I don't answer the front door (or phone, I hate the phone). I am always careful in case they were checking to see if someone was home and try to go around the back. Another reason for Buck to help us keep ALL of our gun rights. Don't give one inch.

Yeah... Buck McKeon, the great protector. LMAO. Of course, he won't mind if we all die from inhaling toxic air from Cemex now, will he??

Gotta appreciate the Signal for trying to cut through the liberal's PC bull. "We can't tell you the race of the suspects but we can say they were wearing black pants, black shirts, black shoes, and a black hat."

Glad this had a happy ending. I foresee gun ownership in THAT woman's future.

Yes, Bdeezine, it IS funny that Buck wants more info about the environmental impact of Cemex before caving into you liberal's prophecies of ecological doom. Funny in how it makes you all whine non-stop about it.

I'm curious to know if the homeowner is normally home at this time. She is lucky that she wasn't injured during the confrontation especially since a crowbar can easily be used as a deadly weapon. Hopefully, as more facts are gathered, she will get a better clue who these two would be robbers might be. For example could this be someone in her neighborhood or just random.

I've said, to the point of nausea, that I don't have a gun and I don't want one, however I am 100% for gun owners rights. If this happened on my street there would be two dead robbers for the coroner to package up. Sadly our crimes were being committed by the 20 year old Heroin users. Someone's messed-up kid. Maybe a few warnings shots??

Crime definitely seems like it's on the rise in the SCV, that's for sure.

Probably some Obama voters, broke and out of a job. And I don't think they were Heroin users..I'll bet they were high on "Hopium"though.

What a useless comment. Gotta get your Obama shot in one way or another I guess. What a stretch though.... jeez..... way to stay on point.

And Bdeez, please tell me how a member of congress is somehow responsible for crime in a small part of his district? Getting your bucky shots in eh?

Ohhyaa, warning shots will get you tossed in jail and your firearms taken away. Despite what big mouth Joey blow Biden says. Misdemeanor discharge of a firearm in a residential area. And ammo is getting expensive and tough to find these days on top of that. Cant afford warning shots!!!

Right I agree we need to stay on topic. The topic is we have criminals here in Santa Clarita that will brazenly try to rob people in the middle of the day. So the answer is we need more police protection, we need to be able to have our second amendment rights protected and we need to stop political correctness so we can deal with whatever crime we have in our neighborhoods.

src: Buck McKeon does not represent our community? Funny, I see his mugshot and quotes almost daily on this site. His name was on the SCV ballots, no? If this is not the case, please elaborate. You are dead wrong. Cemex is EXACTLY what he should be concerned with, not his bloated military budget.

Rocketeer said: "Yes, Bdeezine, it IS funny that Buck wants more info about the environmental impact of Cemex before caving into you liberal's prophecies of ecological doom."

I guess ten years isn't enough time for Bucky to examine the impact of a gravel mine in the middle of our valley. Yeah.. let's give him another 10 or 15 years, maybe he'll have an answer. Is another ten years enough, Rocketeer?

our men and women in uniform are not important? shouldn't be given tools they need? should have their salaries and medical care cut? but you are right - some cemex mine that may or may not even happen is the most important thing we need to be worried about right now. personally, i think we could use the jobs..

Ya know what's funny? This blind devotion to anyone with an "R" next to their name. I am an independent and I will call out anyone from either party if I believe they are wrong. So, am I to assume that Rocketeer is in favor of a huge gravel mine here?... or is it just more of that devotion to your beloved party? How lazy can you be. You remind me of those audiences on the Wally George show from the 70's... the ones that would shout down anyone who opposed their views while waving the American flag. Get a grip. Sorry this message board is drifting, it's just a real piss off.

Mella - Actually, I thought your comment was very funny!!!

I JUST want to read this article, not every viewpoint relative to a variety of issues.

what is wrong with a gravel mine in the middle of our valley..i would be for some oil refineries too...we need jobs and cheap gas..

ohhyaa...if you decide to use a firearm, you never aim to wing someone or fire warning shots. Go big or go home. In other words either really use it, or don't have one. I used to work with an at risk group of kids as an assistant coordinator. We took the kids to Corcoran Prison a few times, as their convicts have a program to deal with at risk kids. There are armed guards in towers everywhere and signs that say "no warning shots will be fired". Your comment made me think of that sign...

Ever since the Taft administration, this town has really taken a dive.

lawchick70: You should move to San Pedro, you'd LOVE it there!

Whatever, you want unemployment through the roof and 10 dollar gas?

I would not confront them at the door. I would retreat to the interior and if they follow I and my Sawed Off would tell them to please dial 911 and if they come towards me,----well.

MrOpinion: I agree with your plan, and it does give them a chance to run. I mean realistically, we don't want to kill anyone unless it's necessary. At least, I wouldn't, that's a big cross to bear. But to protect you or your family, blast away.

I appreciate all of the legal advise and tips. It's good to know in case I change my mind about owning a gun. I still believe that the word would get around if just one or two of these creeps met up with Mr. Magnum. I'd $h!T my pants if I heard CLICK. Sorry for being so cliche, but make my day.

When you see a person in your home face-to-face who does not belong there. How will you react? I was lucky enough to have a 9mm Gun & confronted the intruder in my own living room in SCV. I aimed my gun to their head, while my wife held a frying pan as a weapon, told them to leave, and they finally left. We were very lucky, both of us were. Next time I will fire my weapon. I would never want to extinguish any person's life, but if they come in my home again, I promise I will, even to protect my goldfish.

RatmanG

Wow, scary stuff. Thank God you had a gun to protect yourself and your family.

I gotta tell ya, my wife and a frying pan can be DEADLY!

You might want to keep that to yourself, if Joe Biden finds out he'll form a task force to see how they can take away that frying pan from your wife.

@Bdeezine: You libs wanted an infinite amount of time for "the sanctions to work" in Iraq, for "negotiations to work" with North Korea's nuclear program, and now the "diplomatic process" to work with Iran. Countries who openly threaten us and are developing nukes and ICBMs, eh, we'll deal with that later. A Cement plant? We need action RIGHT NOW.

Mountasia is in the middle of our valley. That is NOT where they're planning on putting the mine. It's out in the middle of nowhere along the 14. There already is a similar plant that really is in the middle of the SFV- Vulcan Materials in Sunland. Doesn't seem to be a problem for them. And since the wind almost always blows from Ventura to the Mojave, I don't see how it would be a problem for us.

@Ohyaa: It's always better to have a gun and not need it than to need one and not have one. From a practical standpoint, warning shots do no good at all. The cops don't do it- their policy is not to shoot until deadly force is required and then they shoot to hit. From a legal standpoint, you are allowed to fire only if an intruder (even an unarmed one) has entered your home.

@RatmanG: Don't second-guess yourself. You used your best judgement in the heat of the moment and it turned out OK. I don't believe in a policy of "always shoot first and ask questions later." I don't want to gun down some poor grandma with alzheimers who wanders in. The best thing anyone can do with a gun is use good judgement. Sounds like you did.

Rocketeer: Very nice. You really hold the bar high. Comparing the SCV to Sunland. That's great. One of the reasons I moved here two decades ago was to leave the grime and move to a clean city. Between you and lawchick, you want to build oil refineries and asphalt mines here in the SCV. I'll tell you what I told her. Move to San Pedro if that's the environment you like to live in. And stop already with the liberal hysteria, you sound like you're 100 years old. It is so friggin' lazy to compartmentalize people. Stretch your mind a bit, you can do it.

What we really need are better neighborhood watch programs, more rapid police response and convictions that stick.

What is happening isn't politically motivated, it's the perception that these punks can get away with it.

Bdeez, can you libs (being registered an I doesn't mean squat, we can sniff your kind out) every stay on topic? The article is about crime, and the first comment about preserving our 2A rights. Stay with me here...focus!!! I guess you couldn't help but see Buck's name and wedge in some unrelated comment.

src: It was actually in response to the first comment. Help, Bucky... save us, save us!!! As stated before, I am not a "lib", I am an independent thinker and take each issue at face value without basing my opinion on who has an R or a D next to their name.... something that is obviously beyond your capability. Just because I consider Buck McKeon a waste of oxygen, it doesn't mean I am on the dems side either. Libs this and libs that.... get a grip.

scvforall: Thank you for offering some sort of solution instead of the usual finger-pointing we see on these boards.. kudos. I hope you're not a pinko!!

src said: (being registered an I doesn't mean squat, we can sniff your kind out)

Can you please translate this into english? I only understand the last part and it sounds like some real lynch mob mentality.

bdeezine, why do you even WANT to know what src is talking about? You already know he makes no sense and any answer he gives you will likely be ridiculous!

I loved your comment telling lawchick to move to San Pedro if she wants to live in that environment! I couldn't agree more. Who in the hell would purposely WANT to live around all of that crap? Having gravel trucks driving on the roads, peppering our cars with rocks, kicking up tons of dust into the asthmatic air we already breathe here. I would gladly pay a lot more for gas if it meant that we didn't have refineries and gravel pits in our valley.

Lawchick, unemployment in SCV is unlikely to go up or down based on a gravel pit and oil refinery. Our jobs here are mostly centered in a business oriented industrial center, as in office buildings for large companies. You sound like you live in the SFV or somewhere equally horrible. Don't you want your community to be nice? I don't usually say I will speak for the majority, but in this case...I can confidently say that the majority of SCV residents would absolutely NOT want those things in our community. We pride ourselves on having a nicer community than the SFV and other similarly large cities. We try to have cleaner air, pretty open spaces for people to enjoy, good schools, safe neighborhoods and nice businesses that fit into our community. For people that don't care about those things, this is not the community for you.

It sounds like you guys are elitist drones. You are like those people who condemn hunters while you are dining on your filet mignon with aspargus in a hollandaise sauce. I am not saying whether one particular busines is good or bad - I am just saying everyone seems to want to have their cake and eat it too. I am tired of those people. If you are rich great for you but we have a lot of people here in the scv who are middle class and are hurting. But I guess you don't care about that do you? You say you don't want "those things" in this community. But you do realize that we have a pretty high blue collar community here in the scv? And all those "offices" and "white collar" jobs you reference - depend on people have discretionary income. You know what that is right? The amount left over after people pay for necesities? We are just starting to recover from the housing collapse - you know where all those people on the edge lost their homes to foreclosures and short sales? But you could care less about those people right? You could care less about those keeping their cars till they fall apart because they can't afford a new one, or the ones clogging the food banks? No not you - you will gladly pay more money for everything because you are a spoiled princess that doesn't know how hard it is to get by today. So with all the businesses leaving california for nevada, arizona and texas I for one don't want to automatically turn my nose up at a business that actually wants to be here.

It sounds like you guys are elitist drones. You are like those people who condemn hunters while you are dining on your filet mignon with aspargus in a hollandaise sauce. I am not saying whether one particular business is good or bad - I am just saying everyone seems to want to have their cake and eat it too. I am tired of those people. If you are rich great for you but we have a lot of people here in the scv who are middle class and are hurting. But I guess you don't care about that do you? You say you don't want "those things" in this community. But you do realize that we have a pretty high blue collar community here in the scv? And all those "offices" and "white collar" jobs you reference - depend on people have discretionary income. You know what that is right? The amount left over after people pay for necesities? We are just starting to recover from the housing collapse - you know where all those people on the edge lost their homes to foreclosures and short sales? But you could care less about those people right? You could care less about those keeping their cars till they fall apart because they can't afford a new one, or the ones clogging the food banks? No not you - you will gladly pay more money for everything because you are a spoiled princess that doesn't know how hard it is to get by today. So with all the businesses leaving california for nevada, arizona and texas I for one don't want to automatically turn my nose up at a business that actually wants to be here.

It sounds like you guys are elitist. You are like those people who condemn hunters while you are dining on your filet mignon with aspargus in a hollandaise sauce. I am not saying whether one particular busines is good or bad - I am just saying everyone seems to want to have their cake and eat it too. I am tired of those people. If you are rich great for you but we have a lot of people here in the scv who are middle class and are hurting. But I guess you don't care about that do you? You say you don't want "those things" in this community. But you do realize that we have a pretty high blue collar community here in the scv? And all those "offices" and "white collar" jobs you reference - depend on people have discretionary income. You know what that is right? The amount left over after people pay for necesities? We are just starting to recover from the housing collapse - you know where all those people on the edge lost their homes to foreclosures and short sales? But you could care less about those people right? You could care less about those keeping their cars till they fall apart because they can't afford a new one, or the ones clogging the food banks? No not you - you will gladly pay more money for everything because you don't know how hard it is to get by today. So with all the businesses leaving california for nevada, arizona and texas I for one don't want to automatically turn my nose up at a business that actually wants to be here.

Once again, Lawchick, you assume details that you are DEAD WRONG about. But why should you let the truth get in the way of your ranting and raving. If you bothered to ask me, I could have told you that I work two jobs to support my family. We bought a small house that is way underwater now and we live check to check. I bring a brown paper bag lunch to work every day and we can't afford to go out at all these days. So much for your elitist bulls**t statement. I choose to live here because it is a family-friendly, kid-friendly, clean city. Oil refineries and asphalt mines turn you on? You're living in the wrong community. Move to Long Beach next to the refinery. Now what else would you like to assume about all of the people here you know nothing about, and who is being the know-it-all elitist here?? Your pomp and arrogance is irritating at best.

And by the way, I drive a 1998 Hyunadai with 195,000 miles on it. How elitist is that, genius?

actually i was responding to chefgirl359

Just re-read Chefgirl's comment and I still have no idea where you come up with this stuff. What is contained in her comment that makes her elitist.. the fact that she likes to live in a clean city?? A truly bizarre take on the subject in my opinion.

@lawchick70, Your post starts out "It sounds like you guys are elitist" Guys being plural. To be more clear in the future you should be more specific about who you are addressing your comment(s) to.

My arrogance? Please, all I am saying is if anyone wants to drive a car someplace has to produce oil and refine it into gas. If you want electricity there are going to have to be power plants somewhere. If you want meat someone has to kill it. Why is our community any better or worse of a place to do it than anywhere else? I drive over to the costco and pass what look like oil rigs doing something. Why is that okay but some mine in between mountains that noone will ever even see be a problem? I can drive certain places in this valley where there is nothing so what would putting a business there hurt anyone.

That she would "gladly pay a lot more for gas". I for one can't afford to pay any more for gas. I guess everyone else around here can.

@lawchick70, Please stop saying things like "you guys" and "everyone else". You're lumping everyone together and it's really making you sound like some sort of a victim. Have an opinion and stick with it. You say your issue is with one person but that's not what your posts indicate.

Hey lawchick...If I'm such an elitist how come nobody told my checking account? I don't make much money at all, and I live paycheck to paycheck like many others. I live a very middle class lifestyle. I'm not rich and I never said those businesses are white collar, you did. Many of the local businesses here are totally blue collar, and in fact most of SCV is blue collar and middle class...including me. The only person generalizing is YOU.

The fact of the matter is, most of us here like a pretty, clean community, with nice outdoor spaces to visit, hike, etc. We enjoy our wildlife here, we try to preserve it and not further damage our wildlife through encroachment.

"some mine in between mountains that no one will ever see"...that mine leads to big filthy big rigs, clogging our roads and spewing crap into the air, and pinging our cars with gravel, that's what's wrong with a mine that "no one will ever see". The whole point of having nothing in the hills, is having NOTHING IN THE HILLS! It's supposed to be OPEN space, because most of us enjoy that, which is why we live here and not in a filthy city downtown, with nothing nice to look at. It really sounds like you don't have a grasp on this community at all.

Oh, and here's a tip...you might want to try pressing the enter key, once.

Lawchick...

What do you think of the proposal putting a Walmart grocery store at the Valencia Westfield shopping mall? Just curious.

If you are living paycheck to paycheck you wouldn't say things like "I am willing to spend a lot more for gas". I mean explain that in math terms. If you take in just enough to pay your bills - which is what living paycheck to paycheck means - please explain how you would be able to "pay a lot more for gas". Only people who have a lot of extra money floating around can afford to "pay a lot more for gas".

Obviously my comment about paying more for gas really struck a nerve with you so let me elaborate. I am saying that given the choice to live in a horrible place with cheap gas, or a nicer place with more expensive gas, I would choose the latter every time and twice on Sunday.

It's all relative, everything ends up working out somehow, it just does. Just like if you wanted a large cheap house in A.V., you would pay way more to commute, well I don't want to live in A.V. I live here, and I don't have to commute at the moment so I pay less for gas right now. When I start commuting in the future, I will have been promoted and pretty much my pay raise will probably go to my gas bill and car maintenance, it's just how life works as far as I'm concerned. There's always something to pay for, and sometimes some expenses go away and others appear, it's always just kind of a wash financially. So, yes, I would absolutely pay more for gas to live somewhere nice, and it will all work out. Everything happens the way it's supposed to, at least I think it does.

Which is exactly why housing near industrial complexes and refineries is much cheaper than in rural areas. Lawchick, if you TRULY don't mind living in filth and breathing air that smells like sulphur, then by all means, do it... you can get a GREAT deal on a house out there. Just remember though... if you enjoy fishing, be sure and cut away the tumors before you fry the fish.

So the cemex mine report says we will be living in filth and breathing air that smells like sulpher? Well then by all means we should have shut down the possibility of it a long time ago. But why do I doubt that? There are ways to protect the environment and still have industry you know. It is not one or the other. We do not live in the early 1900's anymore. I have been to San Pedro and Long Beach plenty of times and the air does not smell like sulpher and there is some filth but after having been to a river cleanup this past fall I can tell you Santa Clarita is full of filth without the cemex mine.