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Speed named as factor in crash that killed 2 COC football players

Posted: August 26, 2014 4:11 p.m.
Updated: August 26, 2014 4:11 p.m.
 

Excessive speed was the main contributing factor in a collision that killed two College of the Canyons football players last weekend and left a third student athlete in critical condition, a Los Angeles detective heading up the investigation said Tuesday.

A black 2005 Nissan 300ZX carrying Isaiah Hastings, 19, of Lancaster, Alexander Manu, 18, of Reseda and Eldridge Salguero, 18, of Van Nuys was traveling at a “very high rate of speed” southbound on San Fernando Road near Sunshine Canyon Road on Friday night when it veered into northbound lanes, said supervising Detective Bill Bustos of the Los Angeles Police Department’s Valley Traffic Division.

Hastings, a running back who was in his first year at College of the Canyons, and Manu, a defensive lineman on the COC football team, both died in the crash.

Salguero, who was at the wheel of the Nissan, was critically injured and remained hospitalized Tuesday, Bustos said.

“We check on him periodically,” the investigator said Tuesday. “He was doing a little better today, but he’s still in critical condition.”

Salguero played defensive back on the COC team.

The Nissan was traveling at a speed “faster than the freeway (traffic)” as it headed down a hilly stretch of San Fernando Road about 7:30 p.m. Friday, Bustos said.

At an Interstate 5 underpass, the Nissan veered into the northbound lanes, he said.

“There’s a turn there, and because of the excessive speed the Nissan went into oncoming traffic,” Bustos said.

The car slammed into a Honda Odyssey carrying 44-year-old Castaic resident Suh Min Kyung and her 11-year-old daughter. They both suffered minor injuries and were treated at a hospital.

The Nissan sustained extensive damage to the passenger side, Bustos said.

One of the two young men killed was riding in the luggage compartment that substitutes as a back seat in the compact sports car, Bustos said.

That area “is designed to hold cargo and is not designed for a person to ride in,” Bustos said.

“This was a terrible accident that could’ve been avoided,” he said.

 

 

Comments

NotSoAwesomeTown: Posted: August 26, 2014 8:25 p.m.

Yet another car full of teens going too fast. Idiots. I'm so glad the woman and her child weren't seriously injured, although I'm sure they'll both be leery of driving for a while.


AdamTwelve: Posted: August 27, 2014 1:07 a.m.

Two counts of gross vehicular manslaughter.

Still no mention of speed in Ms. Stift's death.

They need to start cracking down on these teenage drivers. We treat them with kids gloves here.

There are plenty of traffic accidents which results in injuries and serious
injuries, legislation should be to qualify those as ADW with vehicle, with serious time, and other penalty.

There are also plenty of traffic accidents that involve destruction of city, county property and private property, where luckily no one was on the sidewalk or crossing the street. There should be jail time for that too, felony vandalism. And suspend their license from 5 to 10 years.

This is the most serious problem here, now. Don't give 'em any break.


NotSoAwesomeTown: Posted: August 27, 2014 11:25 a.m.

The driver needs to be brought up on serious charges and needs to serve time. He also needs to speak at all the schools to talk about his stupidity. It needs to be made perfectly clear that he's in no way a hero or someone kids should hold in high regard. He killed two people and forever changed the lives of countless others.

I, too, want to know the speed in the Stift incident. I'd also like to know if a cell phone was involved at all. These are all fair questions.


johnnyrock: Posted: August 27, 2014 2:16 p.m.

So sad, my husband knows one of the young men's parents. I freak out everytime I read one of these stories. I don't want my son to drive...ugh. I know, I know..he has to. But I won't be sleeping much when he finally does.


SCV4ALL: Posted: August 27, 2014 2:51 p.m.

Hey Adam 12 - no doubt Law enforcement - Yes lets penalize the thousands of youth on our roads because a small percentage drive without regard. REALLY, throw away a future because some kid hit a street sign...FOOLISH!!!!
I hardly think gross vehicular manslaughter is a slap on the wrist. ? You should be running our city!


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Lefty: Posted: August 27, 2014 3:20 p.m.

According to what I heard after Ms Stift's death she was skateboarding & "jay-walked". If that is correct it was entirely her fault. Why haven't the facts of this incident been made known? I don't think it's fair for the young man who hit her to be subjected to criticism for something that was not his fault. He has to live with the memory of this incident as it is.


AdamTwelve: Posted: August 27, 2014 3:33 p.m.

Lefty:

Where did you get skateboarding from? I live in the neighborhood and have yet to hear the skateboarding angle, although plenty of male teenagers actually long board from the top of the hill (where Ms. Stift was hit) down to Holly Drive, and back and forth, almost daily. Although, not the most wise thing to do, their unintended affect is of traffic slowing for them, and they stay to the right.

As for jaywalking, both cross walks are half a mile a way, and since that point (where Ms. Stift was hit) is the top of the hill, that is the safest place to cross, since you can see clearly both traffic directions, except when there's speeding, then the incline and curve will play a crucial factor.


bobforte: Posted: August 27, 2014 6:24 p.m.

"Still no mention of speed in Ms. Stift's death. "

Other news sources, besides The Signal report, "Speed is not suspected as a factor in the crash, according to Sgt. Reyes of the California Highway Patrol, although all aspects of the crash are being investigated."

Remember, news sources can choose what they want to put in or take out of a story.


AdamTwelve: Posted: August 27, 2014 7:54 p.m.

bobforte:

You left me hanging on our other discussions.

Where have you been hiding?

As for evidence of speed, without skid marks and other evidence, speed is the most difficult to prove--accident reconstruction 101.

Unless all parties with stake here, the CHP, the family and SCV are serious about this investigation they'll consult with those who specialize in traffic collisions without speed/skid marks--delta-Vs, impact velocities, crush width/depth, remember the make/model/year was pre-EDRs, so it gets a lot more specialized,

whether or not they'll take their investigation to the next level, remains to be seen.

The phrase "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" comes to mind here, bob.


bobforte: Posted: August 27, 2014 8:31 p.m.

I don't go into the archives. But, et's say the kid on GV was doing 40mph. That's under the speed limit according to your posts. And he just wasn't paying attention and hit the girl. He stops. He wasn't speeding. Would there be skid marks? No. So, there is still no evidence he was speeding. Accident reconstruction 101.

Speaking of hanging, where is that Acton substation that patrols your area of Santa Clarita.


AdamTwelve: Posted: August 27, 2014 9:03 p.m.

bobforte:

Again, all your questions were answered in the relevant threads last week. If you wait and allow for articles to go into archives and feign inability to access stories (which I know you did) then that is your problem, bob. Only makes my point about being right.



bob, at even at 25 mph, if I had to brake for a person crossing, there would be skid marks. It's the fact that there were no skid marks that's worrying.

Speed or texting (and speeding, whether over or under the speed limit, remember your lesson on the basic speed law?) are the most likely culprits here, whether one or both are gross vehicular manslaughter.


bobforte: Posted: August 28, 2014 8:27 a.m.

Uh no, you never answered where the Acton substation is. Just please give us the address. You can't, because it doesn't exist. Just admit you were wrong.

Read my post again. I will make it simpler. Let's say you are driving at any speed, and you hit something say a pedestrian and never saw them. Then you stop. Will there be skid marks? Answer: NO. So your skidmark theory is not valid. Lack of skidmarks could mean the driver was not speeding also.

It is hard sometimes to understand your posts because you write in incomplete sentences. Perhaps that is why you cannot understand some of my posts.


johnnyrock: Posted: August 28, 2014 12:52 p.m.

I see plenty of "Adults" speeding, talking on their phones, texting, eating, putting on makeup, shaving.......sleeping. It's not just teens. You take your life in your hands on a daily basis just driving to work and home. It really sucks. People get killed walking on the damn sidewalk.


AdamTwelve: Posted: August 28, 2014 1:25 p.m.

bobforte:

I gave the cross streets to the Acton substation. OR better yet, why don't you contact SVC Sheriffs and they'll give you the 411.

As for your accidentally hitting someone and not even bothering to brake theory, that's fine--in the world of pretend, where it's OK for people to drive with impunity by not paying attention.

But consider also that this is a very open road, a very wide 4 lane roadway. You'd have to be grossly negligent, ie. not paying attention and speeding to hit a pedestrian severely.

The teenage driver's car sustained a very deep/wide damage to the front of his car, that is where most analysis will have to take place, since there's no skid marks.

Going back your basic speed law, which you've applied wrongly in our past discussion, this would be it's relevant application. If you're going below the speed limit, and still hit a pedestrian dead, without other extraneous factors, our basic speed law states (and this where we go back to your previous cut/paste...):

VC 22350. No person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather, visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of, the highway, and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of persons or property.

And that concludes your lesson on the basic speed law, bob. But again, there was speed involved and it all depends how far they will take the testing of the hood damage. That's why it is important that they go with the gross negligence veh. manslaughter charge.


AdamTwelve: Posted: August 28, 2014 1:43 p.m.

johnnyrock:

Harsh punishments applies to everyone, only that most of these collisions from death to private prop damage are
caused largely by teenagers. Hence the focus on teenagers.


bobforte: Posted: August 28, 2014 8:07 p.m.

I love how you post 22350 VC (nice googling there buddy) and prove me right.

And no, you didn't post the cross streets. And you can't post them here because it doesn't exist.

And because of your racist comments in other posts, it is now time to report you to the editor.




AdamTwelve: Posted: August 28, 2014 8:27 p.m.

bobforte:

Racist? You can't win an argument and you settle for ad hominems, c'mon, bob. You'll have to prove your accusation.

Either you're not very bright or you're misreading the Basic speed law, read it again. But to the point, whether or not the driver was going more or less the speed limit, is immaterial, bob, it's the fact that he hit Ms. Stift in a very open roadway, that is how you apply the Basic speed law.

As for the cross streets, go back to the original thread, bob, the location of your purported mysterious substation is there, you can visit it if you so desire, buddy.



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