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UPDATE: 2 more LA sheriff's deputies indicted

Latest Filing Alleges Two Deputies Abused Inmate

Posted: February 7, 2014 11:47 a.m.
Updated: February 7, 2014 12:40 p.m.
 

LOS ANGELES (AP) — A new federal civil rights indictment alleges that two Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies beat a handcuffed prisoner at the Men's Central Jail.

The four-count indictment returned by a grand jury late Thursday follows earlier indictments of 18 current and former Los Angeles County deputies on corruption and civil rights offenses.

The indictment alleges that in 2009 the two deputies, 26-year-old Joey Aguiar and 38-year-old Mariano Ramirez, illegally used force on a prisoner who was handcuffed and secured with a waist chain.

The deputies allegedly punched and kicked the inmate, used pepper spray on him, struck him with a flashlight and then wrote false reports to cover up the illegal use of force.

Both deputies are scheduled for arraignment March 6.

Comments

Unreal: Posted: February 7, 2014 12:15 p.m.

For those of you who always give law enforcement the benefit of doubt remember one day it could be you or a family member. This type of behavior often happens outside of jail as well, to innocent people who p**s off deputies.

They are the ones giving all law enforcement a black eye.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: February 7, 2014 12:51 p.m.

What a shock. After all, certain people on these boards say that law enforcement are ALWAYS right and to question this is to be a "cop hater." Who woulda' thought??


bobforte: Posted: February 7, 2014 2:27 p.m.

Certain people say they are always wrong. Some say they are always wrong and then change their minds when they get FACTS.


UsualSuspect: Posted: February 8, 2014 9:39 a.m.

I find it strange that when Deputies are not involved, folks write they are innocent until proven guilty. I am reading now it is guilty until proven innocent. We need to wait and let it work it's way through the system. Our system may not be perfect, but until someone comes up with a better one it is the only one we have. If they did do these things, they need to stand up and be a man about it. Enjoy the crime, better be willing to do the time.


Carlitos: Posted: February 8, 2014 2:19 p.m.

Deputized accused of beating prisoners, now in jail themselves? How ironic. I hope they get the jail food beat out of them.


ohhyaa: Posted: February 9, 2014 11:59 a.m.

There goes Egbert having an identity crisis again. In the future don't use the words MURDERERS in all caps and we won't call you a cop hater. As far as your accusation that any poster ever said LE is always right, well that's just another one of your made-up dilusional cop hating rants.


bobforte: Posted: February 9, 2014 12:12 p.m.

Thank you ohhyaa!!!


DMeyer: Posted: February 9, 2014 12:35 p.m.

Looks like some of the cop haters are developing a complex.

Egbert refer to the last article about the crazy man charging at deputies with a knife and a spear, you will see that I said if the investigation reveals that the perp was NOT armed with a knife and a spear then the cops would have been wrong to shoot him. Also see that I said that cops like everyone else in this world are not perfect, even you. All it takes is just a tiny bit of looking.

And to reiterate a point I've made time and again here, they (law enforcement) make mistakes like all of us and some of them do wrong, just like some people in the rest of our society. But generally speaking the vast majority of them are decent hard working men and women, and I would give THEM the benefit of the doubt over convicts, druggies, gangsters and thugs anyday of the week. Yes even if one of those dirt bags was a family member of mine, and I do have them in my family like most regular folks do.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: February 9, 2014 7:33 p.m.

HA HA!!! Resorting to attacking me personally instead of addressing the article itself or the fact that there are crooked cops among us. I love it! Great arguments folks. Keep those blinders on... except for DMeyer who would even excuse this behavior from law enforcement.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: February 9, 2014 7:36 p.m.

Ohhyaa" Just to clarify... I am a "crooked cop hater."


stevehw: Posted: February 10, 2014 10:10 p.m.

BTW...it's not just 2 deputies. The total number is now up to 21.

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-deputies-indicted-20140208,0,1977563.story#axzz2stfJBuxp



DMeyer: Posted: February 10, 2014 10:22 p.m.

Egbert

Are you referring to the cops you called murderers last week? The ones who shot a crazy man who attacked them with a knife and a spear?? Are those the crooked cops that you hate?


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: February 10, 2014 10:53 p.m.

DMeyer: No, not referring to that incident. I hate cops that are on the take, cops that beat or tase people that are already handcuffed and restrained, cops that beat up prisoners, cops that lie in court, cops that confiscate drugs and resell them, cops that intimidate people through their badge, cops that discharge their weapon in the air because the neighborhood children are playing ding dong ditch, cops that shoot people's dogs, cops that ignore traffic rules as routine... ya know, that sort of stuff. I guess I just hate law breakers... even if they are cops.


DMeyer: Posted: February 10, 2014 12:28 a.m.

Egbert Oh ok.

Hmmm....then why did you call the deputies who were doing their job and protecting the community MURDERERS?


DMeyer: Posted: February 10, 2014 12:47 a.m.

The thing is Egbert is that all of us hate criminals and thugs masquerading around as cops, those few tarnish the image of the multitude of law enforcement who are kind dedicated hard working professionals.

You just hate them no matter if they are bad or good, it's just because they are cops.

Do you also hate our military people too? You know some of them have also done some bad stuff, and some of them will continue to do bad stuff. Is it a good idea to brand all of our brave fighting men and women as bad because of the disgraceful actions of a few? I know this and I will always be respectful and grateful for what they do for us, I guess I just realized long ago that the bad actions of those very few get way more press than the awesome things that most of them do everyday in their dangerous thankless jobs.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: February 10, 2014 7:29 a.m.

DMeyer: Good question. I feel exactly the same about the military as I do about the police. Appreciate and thank my lucky stars for the honest ones.... disgusted by the crooked ones. Committing a crime while wearing a uniform is even more despicable than the normal criminals. Sorry, nobody gets a free pass from me, even if you are wearing a uniform.

Now I have a question for you, if you wouldn't mind indulging me. Can you please comment on the subject of the above article? I actually like reading your comments on here normally and am interested in your take on this. Almost two dozens of indictments have been handed down now. Do you think this is a conspiracy by the FBI? By just labeling me a cop hater repeatedly is a really lazy way to debate. You actually admit that there are some bad apples out there, but you insist on giving the officers the benefit of the doubt in EVERY SITUATION. That's where I respectfully differ from you.


DMeyer: Posted: February 10, 2014 7:48 a.m.

There is no debate, you are wrong again. I do not give the benefit of the doubt in EVERY SITUATION. I do when it's a cops word against that of a common criminal, whereas you come down on the side of the criminal over that of the cops. I guess that's how you were raised. But if there is evidence that a cop committed a crime then I'm for firing that disgraced cop and sending him to prison. And worst depending on the offense, last year a LAPD cop in Castaic molested a couple of young girls, I called for this POS to get a bullet for a sentence, or at least to have him released to general population in prison and let the other animals there deal with him.

It's funny how you are trying to hide your true colors, we've already seem them. You called the deputies murderers, it's in black and white, and those were not "crooked cops". We all read it. If someone want to call good hard working cops murderers then I'll check them EVERY TIME. You've been checked buddy.


Unreal: Posted: February 10, 2014 9:00 a.m.

I saw more of this story this weekend on TV. It turns out the prison CHAPLIN is the one who saw the beating of this inmate and is going to testify against them. He says the sheriffs involved kept yelling "stop resisting" but the guy was not even moving. I guess when a Chaplin is on the side of the inmate then finally someone believes what is going on.

It takes a lot for the FBI to get involved like they have in the LA jails.
There are not just few Sheriffs making some "mistakes". They are acting like thugs and running the jails with no respect for the law or inmates rights. And yes, I do treat them more harshly than everyday citizens because of the position of power they hold over others. Citizens in jail are serving time behind bars and that is the punishment, not beatings or taunting’s at the hands of out of control, Neanderthal Sheriffs with anger management issues.

I am glad each and every one of them has been charged. --edited.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: February 10, 2014 10:27 a.m.

DMeyer: And STILL no comment on the above article, still just name calling. Kinda stuck in the mud on this on, Meyer. Pretty much a waste of time now. As far as the ten cops shooting one suspect last week, correct me if I'm wrong, but the investigation has not yet been completed, has it not? So how do YOU know they were not at fault? Are you the judge and jury on this one? Why bother with internal affairs with you on the case? What a farce.


ohhyaa: Posted: February 10, 2014 5:01 p.m.

Egbert, There you go again. You must know something I don't, so please share. Where was it reported that 10 cops were involved in the shooting last week? Interesting why I must wait for IA to complete their investigation before I can make judgment, but you can make-up facts at will and we all need to accept them at face value. You say you aren't a cop hater, but you made it a point to type up a long "rant" post detailing every type of potentially bad kind of cop that ever walked a beat. You disgust me.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: February 10, 2014 5:08 p.m.

ohhyaa: Thanks for making me smile.


ohhyaa: Posted: February 10, 2014 5:33 p.m.

Unreal, I find it interesting that you refer to the prison population as "citizens". I find this interesting since our prison population if filled to the brim with the most vile scum of the earth. Psychopaths, child molesters, murderers, rapists, arsonists, habitual drunk drivers, thieves and drug dealers, just to name a few. In my opinion most don't even deserve the right to live and should be put to death, but that is just my opinion. As far as cops abusing their power... Not okay and if any or all are found guilty, they need to be severely punished and made an example of. In the meantime, I will continue to show my support for the majority of LE officers that serve us all well every day. --edited.


ohhyaa: Posted: February 10, 2014 5:35 p.m.

Only a smile? Not a source for the 10 cops that violated the "dancer's" rights?


DMeyer: Posted: February 11, 2014 10:36 p.m.

@Egbert

As for the article lets just say that I don't get too broke up about convicts getting roughed up by the guards, obviously you are quite disturbed that those dirt bags might be getting a little extra punishment. If these deputies did some stupid acts that makes them criminally culpable then I say kick them off of the force and if necessary jail them for their crimes. If that happens they are no longer worthy of our support and respect, they will have become part of your sacred class....convicts. And maybe they will get a little extra punishment from their prison guards,....will you still cry us a river when that happens?

BUT let's get back to your most interesting statement: "correct me if I'm wrong, but the investigation has not yet been completed, has it not? So how do YOU know they were not at fault?"

YOU ARE RIGHT, the investigation has not yet been completed, BUT YOU were so very quick to label the deputies as murderers, didn't you? Please explain why that is, especially now since you claim you ARE NOT a cop hater. How do YOU know they did commit murder?

As for me I saw the average citizens just like you and me who were out there when this nut went berserk and they were terrified, and they did say on local news TV stations that this perp did charge after the cops with a knife and a spear, and he did so after they tried to convince him to give up and after they tried to use less lethal weapons to subdue him. Based on the testimony of the citizen witnesses that saw all of this go down I now know that this was a lawful prudent shooting by our law enforcement officers. Oh, and this was all captured on video tape as well.

So now it's time for YOU to explain how you came up with the conclusion that 10 of our deputies are MURDERERS.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: February 11, 2014 11:51 p.m.

DMeyer wrote: "So now it's time for YOU to explain how you came up with the conclusion that 10 of our deputies are MURDERERS."

Easy. I wrote about ten posts on that story. I suggest re-reading the nine follow-up posts I wrote instead of lazily quoting only my first comment. Try the archives.


Unreal: Posted: February 11, 2014 10:54 a.m.

ohhyaa: Nice way to lump everyone together. It is just your type of thinking that leads to the abuse we see. If you dehumanize people then abusing them becomes much easier. You are the problem.



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