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UPDATE: Man was shot after he moved toward deputies with knife

Posted: January 30, 2014 9:43 p.m.
Updated: January 31, 2014 8:39 a.m.

A sheriff's deputy walks past the male suspect lying next to the center divider on the corner of Soledad Canyon Road and Shangri-La Drive Thursday night in Canyon Country. Signal photo by Charlie Kaijo.

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A man killed during a deputy-involved shooting in Canyon Country Thursday night was shot multiple times in the upper torso by deputies from the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff’s Station after reportedly moving toward them with a knife in his hand, according to an incident report released by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

The incident began at approximately 8:25 p.m. Thursday when patrol deputies from the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff’s Station were flagged down and received reports of a man in the area of Soledad Canyon Road and Shangri-La Drive who was “running in and out of traffic, holding a spear and waving it at passersby on the road,” according to the incident report.

Sheriff’s deputies later located the male suspect standing near the intersection “holding a metal spear and behaving strangely,” according to the report.

The suspect, whose identity had not yet been released as of Friday, reportedly ignored verbal orders from the deputies and struck a vehicle passing nearby with the spear.

At some point during this exchange the first deputy-involved shooting occurred. According to the Sheriff’s Department report, the man appeared unscathed and continued acting erratically.

The deputies then moved back toward their vehicle, at which point the man, a knife now in hand, advanced on them, according to the report.

The suspect was then fired upon and struck multiple times in the upper torso, according to the report.

The suspect was pronounced dead at the scene and both the weapons were recovered.

No deputies were injured in the incident.

Witnesses at the scene, Kyle Reinoso and Stephanie Szyszkowski, said they saw the man in the center divider at the intersection of Soledad Canyon Road and Shangri-La Drive walking and running up and down the median with a hockey stick.

They said deputies on the scene had weapons drawn.

“He was running toward the cop and they shot him,” Reinoso said.

Reinoso and Szyszkowski said they heard “four to six shots” during the incident.

Another witness, Canyon Country resident Brenden Stach, said the man was “running in and out of traffic dodging cars” prior to the shooting.

Cesar Lopez, another witness, said “there were people walking on the sidewalk. He tried to attack them.”

Whenever an officer- or deputy-involved shooting takes place in the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, and an individual is wounded as a result, multiple independent investigations are triggered, including investigations by the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office or Coroner.

The situation is also examined by the Sheriff’s Internal Affairs Bureau and Homicide Bureau.

Attorneys from the Los Angeles Office of Independent Review also respond to the scene and are given access to the investigation, according to the Sheriff’s Department. Every aspect of the shooting is also reviewed by the Sheriff’s Executive Force Review Committee.

Anyone with additional information regarding Thursday night’s incident is encouraged to contact the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department Homicide Bureau at 323-890-5500. Tips can also be made anonymously at 800-222-8477.

 

Comments

Rick54: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:44 p.m.

I see so many tweekers in that area. I wonder if this was one that over did it. Sad, but thanks to the deputies no one else got hurt.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 12:08 a.m.

Thanks to the deputies?? Are you kidding??? They MURDERED a guy with a hockey stick and a cast on his arm dancing around in the street. I saw the cellphone video. This story will be huge. There were as many as 10 shots fired at a guy with a hockey stick. Yeah... thanks to the deputies.....


scvforall: Posted: January 31, 2014 12:11 a.m.

If drugs or mental illness were involved the proper care could have p prevented this tragedy.

These officers and the witnesses have to live with this forever.


Isaac0105: Posted: January 31, 2014 12:47 a.m.

@egbertsouse4u

is another example of an ignorant cop hater that wants to always blame the deputies... look i know their has been many incidents were we hear about a cop abusing his power, this was not one of those incidents. Did you not read anything in the article??.. This article has tons of witnesses and their names, who all clearly state, that this guy was not in fact DANCING IN THE STREET as you see it, This man was in fact stirring up problems, on the side walk, with other people, He was dodging traffic, he had a hockey stick, he charged at the cops. I know many people who were held up in traffic at the scene saying this guy was crazy, not Dancing??, i myself drove a by a little after he got shot and saw what a mess he was causing. who the hell dances in the street with a hockey stick.. I dont know about you but i sure as hell wouldnt just sit there if some crazy guy is charging at me with a hockey stick. Its not like the cops just arrived aimed there weapons and all of them just shot him purposely. Im sure they warned him. The guy was clearly asking for it, suicide by a cop. im sure The cell phone video doesn't show the guy harassing people on the street and causing traffic running on the street doing god knows what.


Seriouslyspeaking: Posted: January 31, 2014 1:24 a.m.

What ever happened to using taser guns or shoot the guy in his foot ?


ccboy: Posted: January 31, 2014 5:13 a.m.

@seriouslyspeaking you seriously watch too much tv. Shoot the guy in the foot, if an officer does have to use his/her firearm they are trained to shoot at the largest target possible which is center body mass. Its not like tv or movies where they shoot an arm or a hand or even a foot.


RCx2: Posted: January 31, 2014 5:35 a.m.

As always people automatically jump to conclusions without even knowing all the facts.
@EgbertSouse4U, you obviously did not watch the news where they say it was a spear which he used to try to hurt a truly innocent woman who happened to be in her car scared out of her mind expecting the Deputies to do something..@seriouslyspeaking, I wonder if that woman was glad the Deputies did what they had to do to save her life and most likely their own or if she would have been happier if the Deputies shot him in the foot to give him a chance to actually hurt her...
Give me a break people! For once try to put yourselves in law enforcement officer's shoes and think to yourself if YOU would give anyone at all a chance to deprive your families of your life? I'm sure if those Deputies have families that they are greatful to be able to hug them tight this morning, as well as the woman who's life they saved...


ohhyaa: Posted: January 31, 2014 6:26 a.m.

Not all cops are Cicinelli and Ramos. Pending further facts otherwise I'll stand on the side of law enforcement.


JohnnyCash: Posted: January 31, 2014 6:26 a.m.

Where's the cell phone video? Can anyone please provide a link?


14forlife: Posted: January 31, 2014 6:31 a.m.

Ok, So "1 GUY"...1 GUY with a hockey stick got shot for rushing deputies, im sure 12 deputies could have taken this guy down instead of ending his life...my opinion this could have been settled in so many different ways..cops are still getting bad raps and this is why...


14forlife: Posted: January 31, 2014 6:33 a.m.

JohnnyCash....abc7.com


Jackk: Posted: January 31, 2014 6:36 a.m.

I see the problem being with the semi automatic weapons. It's too easy to pop off five rounds ensuring someone dies.

So much for professionals taking aim and firing a shot to stop a suspect and then firing another if needed.

Pop, pop, pop, pop! It's just too easy.

Nationwide our police have turned into para-military troops. There are options to deadly force!


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 6:47 a.m.

Isaac0105: I am not an ignorant cop hater, screw you and your insults. It was not necessary to fire ten rounds at this person who was not holding a gun. There are other methods besides opening fire. This is why we have training. Any idiot can aim and shoot. It is people like YOU who are the problem by defending deadly overreactions like this. Once we see the internal investigation and the subsequent trial, we'll see who the ignorant one is here.


ccboy: Posted: January 31, 2014 6:50 a.m.

It kills me that people will come on here and defend their rights to own any gun in the world because it is their constitutional right but give the police a semi automatic hangun and we are training them to be para-military.


ccboy: Posted: January 31, 2014 6:53 a.m.

@14forlife, so you are with 11 of your friends and they are all armed and some guy comes at you and your friends with a hockey stick or spear which ever it was, are you willing to get smashed in the head with what ever weapon this guy has just so your friends can take him down instead of ending his life. that one blow to the head could kill you


ohhyaa: Posted: January 31, 2014 7:01 a.m.

Couldn't have been too wasted since the suspect was able to respond to the command "cease and stop" with " I won't stop and you won't take me" as he bashed the side of a car occupied by a female who must have been terrified. Like I said earlier I'll stand with law enforcement on this one.

And p.s. a hockey stick is a deadly weapon, they're solid as hell. Look how it can dent a car. Glad it wasn't that ladies head.


chico: Posted: January 31, 2014 7:04 a.m.

This is very serious and very sad that the people who put themselves on the line to protect us are subject to such scrutiny.

The video shows a dangerous situation was ended with the ultimate response.

Would a different tactic resulted in a different outcome? Of course it would have - but that outcome may have been included an undesirable outcome as well.

It's tough to question them in my mind.

Question the conduct of the crazy guy?

He's innocent until proven guilty, with a video. --edited.


SingleMomOfOne: Posted: January 31, 2014 7:21 a.m.

Everyone jumps to defend a mental loose cannon like the one in Fullerton...again had he been breaking laws and looting your car or home you would demand action...lets not all chastize the sheriffs who did as they were trained...im so tired of no one accepting responsibility for their actions until it all goes terribly wrong...like morons who cant slow down until they rear end an innocent person, then its the other guys fault for being in the way...grow up people.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 7:25 a.m.

ccboy: to answer your scenario... if you and your ten friends were attacked, then yes, you would have the right to defend yourselves. However, if you and your friends unloaded TEN rounds at the guy, then no.... I would say you and your friends acted like scared little schoolgirls. And these were supposedly highly trained professionals.

I hope this doesn't mar the otherwise "stellar" reputation of the LA County Sheriffs Dept. We could ask Lee Baca, but unfortunately he stepped down yesterday due to corruption and abuse of power allegations.


chefgirl358: Posted: January 31, 2014 7:33 a.m.

Ummm the LA Times is reporting that he had a SPEAR and a KNIFE (no hockey stick is mentioned) and was threatening people and trying to hurt citizens. The first shot that hit him left him "un fazed" and he continued running around like a maniac.

THANK YOU DEPUTIES!!!


ohhyaa: Posted: January 31, 2014 7:39 a.m.

Egbert, Don't call LE "scared little schoolgirls". Even a cop hater like yourself should be able to acknowledge how dangerous their job is. My advise to you, and to the other cop haters, when you need help DON'T CALL.


LosRubios: Posted: January 31, 2014 7:46 a.m.

The real crime is that it happened at 8pm Friday night and Soledad is still closed 12 hours later.


NotSoAwesomeTown: Posted: January 31, 2014 7:48 a.m.

In the end, NOBODY HERE WAS THERE. Nobody here could read that guy's mind. Nobody here knows what would have happened had the deputies "shot him in the foot" or "taken him down" with the 12 to 1 scenario. The deputies are not there to put their own lives at risk by rushing a suspect with a weapon of any kind. It is also not their responsibility to keep that suspect alive. They're there to keep everyone else safe and keep each other covered, so if this moron was shot and killed in the process, so be it. Law enforcement deals with 10% of the population 90% of the time, and this idiot was in that 10%. And if you criticize the deputies for doing their jobs, then you're in that 10% too. Congratulations on achieving dirtbag status.

OH, and stop being armchair deputies. If you're so great at it and think you could do a better job, then get off your a** and go do it.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 7:51 a.m.

Welcome to the new Santa Clarita! We can all calm down now, they got to shoot and kill; maybe they now all have that rush out of their system.


@EgbertSouse4U: Be nice, we do have school girls as cops these days.


awesometownman: Posted: January 31, 2014 7:53 a.m.

The fact of the matter is we do not have all the facts. I always take the side of law enforcement until facts have proven otherwise. Maybe he was on drugs or maybe he was mentally ill. But, the cops don't know that. It doesn't sound like the guy was hiding himself somewhere making threats. This situation sounds very active and moving very quickly. In other words, they don't have the time to get to know and understand the guy who is running in and out of traffic with an object in his hand. He was a threat to the public, the officers, and himself. The deputies or any officer in general is not looking to shoot someone.

Going based on many of your thought processes the officers have every right to shoot anyone they want. You are basing the actions of thes officers on what other corrupts officers did at another time. Using your logic, based on other people's actions throughout the history of mankind, there is a possibility that this guy running around was looking to kill someone and the officers are heroes.

There are corrupts officers, there are corrupt politicians, there are corrupt business men, there are corrupt moms, there are corrupt dads, there are corrupts teachers, etc.

But, does that make you the individual necessarily corrupt? Absolutely not. But, based on your logic, based on past corrupt people I should immediately judge and not trust you. Wake up people! Stop jumping to the aide of criminals. Stop asking officers to not do their job. The moment you have security guards and not police officers/deputies you will crying for them back.

Thank you SCV Sherriffs department for all you do. I sleep well in my home with my family every night because of the work you do.


kimanthac: Posted: January 31, 2014 7:58 a.m.

EgbertSouse4U, please don't do armchair police work. If you think you could have done it differently, maybe you should join the Sheriff's Dept. These men and women put themselves at risk everyday to keep you safe. Their families also sacrifice a lot everyday. So keep your stupid comments to yourself, and next time you are in need of help, take care of it yourself.


Seriouslyspeaking: Posted: January 31, 2014 7:59 a.m.

I don't know the entire facts of the incident. Thats why I asked. I never stated that I agreed or disagreed with the way the officers chose to handle the situation. I like to believe that the officers do what they can to keep us and them selves safe. I do however feel for the officer. The officer is the one that has to deal with the aftermath of it all and my sympathy goes to the loved ones of the deceased.


ccboy: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:00 a.m.

Wow everyone EgbertSouse4U is a tough guy , so EgbertSouse4U if you and your friends are in that scenario only one of you shoot. I am sure it would be you taking the shot because you are not the scared little school girl.


Bigcasino: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:02 a.m.

I'm thinking that most people that say "shoot them in the foot" have never been to the range to shoot a hand gun before.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:03 a.m.

ohhyaa: If questioning law enforcement tactics makes me a "cophater," then someone like you who blindly defends their actions would make you a "police brown-noser." Get a tissue and clean up.


17trillion: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:08 a.m.

It's only January 31st, but we have a winner for the moronic comment of the year:

" I always take the side of law enforcement until facts have proven otherwise"

I'm with Egbert. If, and it's a big IF at this point, all he had was a hockey stick, the 10 hits, let alone god knows how many total shots fired, is grossly excessive. Did he actually harm anyone?


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:10 a.m.

ccboy: I'm not a tough guy at all, I just think it was an overreaction to pop off ten rounds at the guy. If that's the LE tactics you want to live with in your city, that's fine. It's not my idea of good law enforcement. And when the sheriffs dept is on the hook for a multi-million dollar lawsuit from the family, where do you think that money is coming from? The LAPD make the Sheriffs look incompetent in comparison. Why do you think the FBI is investigating the Sheriffs department if they are so honest?


17trillion: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:11 a.m.

"These men and women put themselves at risk everyday to keep you safe."

BS! They do it for a paycheck. Nobody made them become a cop and frankly anyone who aspires to become one is suspect in my book anyway. I'm not a criminal but almost all of my contacts with law enforcement have been negative because of their attitude.


CaptGene: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:12 a.m.

Did they use a taser on him first?


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:12 a.m.

awesometownman: How would you like the cops to handle this if the guy were your son! It no longer takes holding a toy gun to be shot and killed, it just takes having a hockey stick!


17trillion: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:13 a.m.

"I'm thinking that most people that say "shoot them in the foot" have never been to the range to shoot a hand gun before."

How about a taser? How about shooting him once or twice or three times or four or five or six or seven or eight or even nine times instead of 10?


BBennetts: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:16 a.m.

Perhaps the police should have shot the stick repeatedly, turning it into a small toothpick. I saw Elmer Fudd do this to Bugs Bunny and it worked just fine.


ohhyaa: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:17 a.m.

It isn't the questioning, it's the name calling that makes you a cop hater. Nice try though Egbert.


awesometownman: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:18 a.m.

@EgbertSouse4U, Once the decision has been made to shoot by officers they aren't looking to injure. They are looking to kill. In actuality, 5 to 10 shots is not excessive, it shows restraints. When gangs go out and shoot someone they show no restraint and fire multiple rounds, much more that 5 to 10. In fact, each officer each probably shot 2 maybe 3 times his own individual weapon. In this situation they may have been right to or they may have been wrong to. But, you have made a judgement based on preliminary reports.

Here is what we know, there was a guy acting very abnormally running in and out of traffic with an object in his hand. At one point he decided to charge towards the officers who had their weapons drawn. They shot him and he died. Until we find out what he had in his hand and the rest of the pertinent facts it is illogical to point the fingers at the deputies for overreacting.

You must question the actions of deputies but you must also question the actions of the guy they shot. You are attacking the deputies, not questioning their actions in a logical manner. Please come with a legitimate argument that looks at the whole story, not just the side you want to attack.


kimanthac: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:18 a.m.

17trillion I have no words for you. You make me sad. And negative contact with law enforcement usually means you are doing something wrong, especially if it is happening on more than one occasion. When you need help, call EgbertSouse4U, he can help you


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:34 a.m.

Funny, all the facts ARE NOT in, so I should not question the tactics. Yet, its perfectly fine to defend the deputies actions without the same facts. You can't have it both ways, people.

By the way, Ohhyaa, if you reread the posts you will see that the name calling started with Isaac0105 calling me a cophater for questioning police actions. My initial comment contained no such name-calling, but you called me a cophater as well. Pot calling the kettle black, no? And, by the way, you say the hockey stick is deadly because it can dent a car. I can kick a dent into a car with my foot.. I guess my tootsies are deadly weapons too.


bobforte: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:34 a.m.

Good job deputies!!!!


awesometownman: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:35 a.m.

@michael - That's an excellent question and a hard one. I would need the facts to make a decision. But, if my son was running around the public, in and out of traffic, and acting bizarre I would first question why my son was doing that. But, I would most definitely question the actions of the deputies. Was there anything else they could have done other than shot him?

But looking at the video that is available there was a lot of people at risk in general. What would have happened had he decided to run in to someones yard and take hostages? What if he would have killed one of them? Then you would be attacking them for not doing their job.

A hockey stick is a weapon. If you don't believe so, let someone attack you with one. See how easy it would be to defend yourself.

I would hope my son would never put himself in to this situation. I have taught my son that he is responsible for his actions. This man made horrible decisions. If he was on drugs, well he would be alive if had decided to not take drugs in the first place. Unfortunately for this man he made his decision when he told them he would not surrender and he would not put down the hockey stick. Failure to obey an officer with his weapon drawn is never a good idea.

We live in a society where nobody wants to be responsible for their actions anymore. Well, that is not going to happen no matter how hard society pushes for that. Guess what? If it's proven the deputies took the wrong actions, they will be held accountable for their decision.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:38 a.m.

What traffic awesometownman:? The cops had secured the area. The guy was in a sense contained. Watch the video and listen to the eye witness. This is very sad.


ccboy: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:41 a.m.

@EgbertSouse4U, do the math, how many deputies were there and there was how many shots. You dont just sit there and wait to see if your partner is going to shoot before you do. As far as your LAPD comment want dont you look into their history with federal investigations.


awesometownman: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:41 a.m.

@kimanthac I have had negative contact with deputies out here. I was speeding and got a ticket. How dare them!?!?!?! I mean what is my speeding going to do anyways? Cause an accident? Possibly kill someone? I mean I was of only minimal risk to the public, why give me a ticket? (Please pick up on my sarcasm)

The negative contact was a result of my actions of which I must take responsibility for and I did. There were consequences for my actions and I had to accept them. It would appear that people like 17trillion don't want to accept that. The officers and anybody else in authority are just there to push him around and not enforce the law. Obviously, that is not true. But that is ignorance for you and it's really sad because society is full of fools like him.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:41 a.m.

The witnesses I saw interviewed on the news were shocked to see the deputies draw and fire multiple times like that.


verakb: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:42 a.m.

If he was the same man at that intersection that I saw some months ago, at noontime running into traffic and threatening everyone, he was highly aggressive and this may have been the officers' only choice. There is a school on that corner and our students were at risk, as were the drivers trying to avoid hitting this man. He was extremely agitated, screaming and yelling at cars and purposefully running in front of vehicles. I called the sheriffs immediately but don't know what happened, obviously there are some mentally ill people in the area who pose a danger to themselves and others.


awesometownman: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:44 a.m.

@michael - you proved my point, "The guy was in a sense contained." That's partial containment. There was plenty of places for the guy to go. I agree with you however, things like this are very sad. I feel for this guys family and feel for the deputies involved. No matter what decision they made people like you would judge them as wrong.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:47 a.m.

One guy facing a wild man with a hockey stick would be a challenge. One wild man with a broken arm and a hockey stick facing what looks to be 5 to 10 "highly trained and physically fit" cops perhaps not so much of a challenge. Very sad day for SCV and the mans family.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:49 a.m.

No I don't support your point that he should have been killed. awesometownman:


ccboy: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:52 a.m.

All the people on here are saying it was just a hockey stick or dont think a hockey stick can be a deadly weapon should get in a line and let someone beat them with a hockey stick and then make that decision. And most of the other news sources I have read have reported that one of the ends of the hockey stick was filed down to make a sharp point such as a spear.


17trillion: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:57 a.m.

"Here is what we know, there was a guy acting very abnormally running in and out of traffic with an object in his hand. At one point he decided to charge towards the officers who had their weapons drawn. They shot him and he died."

If those are indeed the facts and there are no more, then they murdered a guy! I'm hoping there are more facts than that.

Kiminthac, I was actually being kind. I think most cops are a-holes to be honest. They were probably picked on as little kids are being an a-hole is their way of getting back at society. There are of course exceptions.


17trillion: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:00 a.m.

"It would appear that people like 17trillion don't want to accept that."

You are wrong. I've never received a ticket that I didn't deserve. I also didn't deserve to be treated like a criminal. I don't also deserve to be questioned by some gestapo wannabe at a DUI stop simply because I was driving. You people thinking cops are God's gift to mankind are probably the same ones that thought the Iraq war was a really nifty idea!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


ccboy: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:01 a.m.

@michael do you know what they are highly trained at, it is survival. They are not trained to fight fair, if someone pulls a knife they pull a gun. Its not like the movies where they put their weapons down and every cop is Steven Segal and goes hand to hand combat.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:03 a.m.

@awesometownman: People like me! Just for the record, I support law enforcement for the good work they do. I don't support the killing of a guy that is walking in the middle of a four lane road, broken arm and a hockey stick, at 8:30 PM, surrounded by "highly trained and physically fit" cops. Had the guy been carrying a gun, I'm with the cops and would support a bullet to his head!


cms96a: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:05 a.m.

This nut case could have had a bomb strapped to him. I think the deputies were justified.


ccboy: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:06 a.m.

@17trillion is probably someone who says he/she can own an assault rifle because it is his/her constitutional right and if an intruder comes into their house they will kill them whether that intruder was armed or not.


Baddog1: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:06 a.m.

If a person is told to stop and drop what is in their hands, and that person instead, runs toward the police, it is their job to shoot that person. When the police have to shoot someone, they must shoot to kill. That is how they are trained, and if they do otherwise, their job is in jeopardy.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:08 a.m.

Yes all bombers carry hockey sticks, it is a diversion tactic!


chefgirl358: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:10 a.m.

It wasn't a hockey stick! THE GUY HAD A METAL SPEAR AND A KNIFE and was trying to HURT CITIZENS with them! Good riddance!

GREAT JOB DEPUTIES, THANK YOU!


ccallstar: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:15 a.m.

Getting stoned out of your mind and running around with a spear in your chonies can be hazardous to your health. Take note.


OICU812: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:16 a.m.

EgbertSouse4U: Thanks to the deputies?? Are you kidding??? They MURDERED a guy with a hockey stick and a cast on his arm dancing around in the street.
Because THAT'S what happened right?! He was just minding his own business dancing in the middle of Soledad Canyon in his boxers with a sharpened hockey stick which he then traded for a knife after he was tasered TWICE by deputies. Tasering him had no effect and he was still just "dancing" around. what should have been done? Maybe next time LE can call you and you can offer him a hug and a glass of water to calm him down and we'll see how that works.

Good Job LASD!!


ohhyaa: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:19 a.m.

Egbert, Tonight I'll expect to find you over by Jakes Way, under the bridge, and when the trolls come out I'll wait for your little school girl scream.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:21 a.m.

OICU812: It was reported last night that it was only a hockey stick that he was holding. If, in fact this guy had a spear and/or a knife... I say shoot away. I am fine with that, definitely a lot more justified.


17trillion: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:23 a.m.

"@17trillion is probably someone who says he/she can own an assault rifle because it is his/her constitutional right and if an intruder comes into their house they will kill them whether that intruder was armed or not."

You're damned right I am!

The guy had a broken arm? Are you kidding me? And then we have someone saying good riddance? Killing someone gets a "great job deputies"?

Some of you people are lower than animals, less than animals. I wish I could write what I really think of you. One day you might have a broken arm and be caught carrying a stick or a spear and you get shot 10 times by "several well armed and highly trained professionals". When and if that happens, I will pronounce your exit as good riddance!

Some of you people are mentally ill. Furthermore, unlike you, if facts come to light that otherwise justify this guys death, then I will retract everything I've said.


RKT: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:24 a.m.

Okay, time to jump in .... First, if you're going to fire your weapon, as a Deputy, you are taught to at least send two rounds to center mass of target (known as a double tap). Second, as for the "hockey stick" being a valid weapon, for anyone that truly wants to challenge that idea, I'll happily put you in the hospital, with serious injuries, with a common tablespoon.

As for the assertion the area was contained, you are surrounded by occupied residences, the notion of containment is only applicable if you have a cooperative suspect. Only then can you reasonably assess the situation as safely contained.

When confronted with a potentially deadly situation and a uncooperative suspect, you don't have time to play what if scenarios out in your head. You are employed to protect the public at large. This suspect didn't seemed to concerned with the public at large when he was attacking vehicles and persons. You make your decision and you proceed with it. The decision was made to implement deadly force. There's a reason it's called "deadly" force. It is never intended to be "shoot 'em in the foot" force. You people and your fantasy TV theories, sheeesh!

Lastly, there seems to be a lot of chatter about the individual being on "meth". If such were the case, or even suspected to be the case, a taser is often times rendered useless as a result of the persons electrical wiring already misfiring at an alarmingly scary rate.

Bottom line, suspect had already demonstrated a propensity to utilize deadly tactics in his attack of civilians and his complete ignoring of the traffic dangers he was responsible for causing, due to his violent actions. As such, a logical, well trained individual, should come to no other decision than to implement deadly force to bring the situation to a successful conclusion. Yes, successful! Upon arrival of law enforcement personnel, there were no further injuries perpetrated against the civilian population. That is deemed successful. You arm chair quarterbacks really have to step away from your televisions and comfy recliners and maybe have some semblance of a clue as to what you are talking about! The tablespoon offer stands!


awesometownman: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:25 a.m.

@17trillion, you are against DUI checkpoints? "Have you had anything to drink tonight sir?" No, I have not. "Ok, have a good night." What a horrible jerk that officer was. I can't believe they would actually try to stop someone from drinking and driving. I mean, the nerve of them. All the drunk guy wants to do is get home and sleep. It's not like anybody has ever died because of a drunk driver.

That's not called being treated like a criminal. That's is them doing their job and protecting you and your family from idiots like drunk drivers. Seriously? You are going to use that an arguing point?

Look, the deputies don't have a fun job. They are out there to tell people they have done something wrong and they insure the punishment process is started. Parents don't enjoy punishing their children but they do. Why? Because they know it's good for them to learn right from wrong. They know its good to teach them there is an acceptable way act and a way not to act.

I will take a little inconvenience because a deputy is trying to do their job to protect me. Some of them are jerks. But, no matter what industry you are in, there are jerks.


underwater: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:25 a.m.

the Sheriff's did not need to shoot him. He was trying to get noticed so he can be on "Dancing With the Stars". Now his dreams are destroyed.
On a positive note. Will save taxpayers money not and make the mortuary some money!


walkinonsunshine: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:25 a.m.

Anyone could have killed this guy- just by running him over with their car, their lethal weapon. We pay cops to use finesse & good judgement. Sounds like they didn't use either here. Again & again. Bottomline: It wasn't a matter of life & death.


17trillion: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:26 a.m.

IF he did have a spear instead of a hockey stick and IF he was tasered twice and was still menacing, then fine.

That is still no reason to cheer for a person's death though.


ccboy: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:33 a.m.

@17trillion so you are justified in killing an unarmed intruder in your house who may have the same mental issues or on the same drugs as this man was but deputies are in the wrong for killing an armed suspect who has threatend numerous people and charged at them threatening them.


OICU812: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:34 a.m.

EgbertSouse4U: I wasn't trying to attack you. This was just one of those situations that wasn't going to end pretty.


tpaul: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:34 a.m.

over & over & over & over...AGAIN


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:36 a.m.

RKT: You are obviously a trained killing machine, I would expect nothing less from you. Thank you for expressing your opinion. I hear the guy also had a spoon in his fanny pack.


cms96a: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:38 a.m.

Michael, Yes bombers can carry hockey sticks, They also disguise themselves as children, dogs, women, shoes, underwear. You should read the news more often..


Unreal: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:41 a.m.

OK, my two cents. Congratulations on having to kill someone is wrong. This is not the time for congratulations. Someone is dead. The officers who shot him are going through a lot emotionally and high fiving each other is inappropriate.

The person killed is someone's family or friend. He was either mentally unstable or on drugs. Either way does not make him an evil person like the guy who pummeled his wife almost to death yesterday. I am sure lots of people will be grieving over his death.

There should and will be an investigation to see what happened. We don't know if the shooting was solid or not yet. I hope every attempt was made to calm him down or stop him was made. I do not like that multiple people fired multiple times. I know this is their current training but I think there might be room for this to be tweaked.


17trillion: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:45 a.m.

"@17trillion so you are justified in killing an unarmed intruder in your house who may have the same mental issues or on the same drugs as this man was but deputies are in the wrong for killing an armed suspect who has threatend numerous people and charged at them threatening them."


Your comparison is idiotic. But for the sake of argument, yes I would kill any intruder that came into my house. How you equate that with a sick individual surrounded by well trained officers getting shot 10 times is moronic.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:46 a.m.

cms96a: I suppose you are correct. Perhaps this guy thought the winter Olympics were being held in Canyon Country on Soledad Canyon Road near Shangri-La Drive


17trillion: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:48 a.m.

Unreal, thanks for your voice of reason. I've probably gotten a bit too heated with my comments and like everyone else here, I wasn't there so I don't know everything. I do know that high fiving someone's death in this instance is morally corrupt. HE DIDN'T HURT ANYONE!


chico: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:58 a.m.

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SCVseriously: Posted: January 31, 2014 9:58 a.m.

Thanks LASD!!!! Thanks for doing the job we pay you to do, to protect the citizens! They asked him to comply, and he didn't. One less drugged out, scum bag off of the street. Thank you!


Bigcasino: Posted: January 31, 2014 10:00 a.m.

only heard 4 or 5 shots, not the 10 shots that were reported in the news. yes, I live near by where it happened.


ccboy: Posted: January 31, 2014 10:09 a.m.

@17trillion glad to see you can have a civil converstaion and not resort to name calling but I guess that is too much to ask. Tell me how it is idiotic, why are you justified in taking a life of an unarmed man and deputies arent in taking the life of an armed man. I have not celebrated the the deputies taking this mans life, I am just saying that by the reports I have scene so far I would say they are justified. So maybe you can take time out from your name calling and explain my question of why you are justified and the deputies arent.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 10:12 a.m.

SCVucantbserious: I pray that you never have a drugged out scum bag in your family. If killing all drugged out scumbags is the right answer to improving our society, the cops started in the wrong location.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 10:16 a.m.

SCVseriously: More congratulations and high-fives for someone's death. Very nice. Justified or unjustified, cheering someone's death is disgusting.


17trillion: Posted: January 31, 2014 10:22 a.m.

You want me to explain the difference between killing an intruder in my house to killing a stick wielding man with a broken arm dressed in boxers surrounded by "highly trained professionals"?

Wow! I guess this is one of those times where no words exist that would answer your question. Suffice to say that, like you, I wasn't there and while your first instinct says it was justified, mine says it wasn't. Neither of us were there though and as I stated above, I'll withhold final judgment pending a review of the facts.


BBennettssupporter: Posted: January 31, 2014 10:39 a.m.

Well said RKT! My sentiments, exactly.


SCVseriously: Posted: January 31, 2014 10:40 a.m.

Egbertsouse4u and michael, He had the chance to surrender, he didn't and that was HIS choice. It was also HIS choice to come towards the sheriff holding a weapon, UMM, I think I'd rather have a dead low life, rather than a dead sheriff officer or innocent citizen. They shouldn't lose sleep over this one. Someone needs to take control, let the authorities do their job and stop complaining!


OICU812: Posted: January 31, 2014 10:46 a.m.

Here's the LASD statement.
http://scvnews.com/2014/01/31/sheriff-statement-on-shooting-of-man-wielding-spear-knife/


ccboy: Posted: January 31, 2014 10:50 a.m.

@17trillion you keep using the words highly trained, what are they highly trained at and what I would like you to explain what justifies one man with a gun shooting and killing an unarmed man and why 10 men with guns shooting an armed man is not justified


17trillion: Posted: January 31, 2014 10:54 a.m.

They are supposedly highly trained at making life and death decisions. But of course we all know they NEVER screw up do they? And again, if you don't understand the difference between an intruder in my house getting shot and killed and a guy in the street with a stick and a broken arm, then I'm not going to bother to explain it to you. As I said, it's a moronic question.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:02 a.m.

OICU812: Thank you for the above link. If this was the case, the deputies were justified in drawing weapons and firing at the suspect. Maybe this confusion is due to erroneous reporting of a "man in an arm cast with a hockey stick." Not sure how the hockey stick turned into a knife and a spear, but if this guy charged anybody with a knife or spear he had it coming and I retract my earlier statements. I still think its tragic that someone had to die in the end.


JimmyStewart: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:10 a.m.

Good job deputies! We appreciate your protection from criminals, especially when they are trying to attack innocent people on the sidewalk. It's the criminals fault and he suffers the consequences of his own actions.


ccboy: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:12 a.m.

@17trillion I guess I will stoop to your level, I never asked you the difference between an intruder in your house or a guy on the street, I asked you what justifies you shooting an unarmed intruder in your house and police shooting a man who is coming at them with a hockey stick and now as most media outlets are reporting dropped the stick and took out a knife and came at them. I guess it is moronic not to understand the difference in questions.


OICU812: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:16 a.m.

EgbertSouse4U: Welcome. Indeed on the erroneous reporting.


scvmom87cp: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:16 a.m.

For some of you, did you read the above story?! The man, whether he had a hockey stick, metal spear or something in between, if you are contacted by law enforcement and directed, told, commanded to Stop and Drop the weapon then you comply-simple. If you don't and you continue to advance, move toward innocent drivers, pedestrians then the results will be the results. They fired, it had no affect and then according to the article he produced a knife and advanced on deputies and they fired again and the man was killed. Any loss of life is sad.

The Signal is not always 100% correct, nor are other news outlets. If you were not there, then you don't know. Almost anything can be a weapon. Let's wait for the dust to settle. If mental health issues were involved then it further hightlights the need for services, outreach and assitance for those that suffer from those issues. It is unfortuante that this occurred but part of the problem in this town is that so many think that we truly live in AWESOMETOWN-Grow up! We live in a nice area and are fortunate that we do but crime, drugs, truancy,teen pregnancy,mental health issues happen here just like everywhere else. Stop acting like-"thinkgs like that don't happen here" THEY DO. Law enforcement needs to respond to the situation presented to them and not worry about the second guessing from the masses --edited.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:17 a.m.

SCVucantbserious: Low life based on what SCV? The cops need to find a better method of managing these kinds of situations. Killing was not the answer in this case. Only a mental patient would take a hockey stick, spear or a knife to a gunfight with a pack of "highly trained and physical fit" cops! I look forward to hearing from his family, perhaps they will be able to shed new light on why the guy did what he did.


tlm: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:21 a.m.

To all the cop haters, yes, it is always sad when anyone dies. However, if this article is correct, he was threatening people walking on the street, hitting cars, then ran at the police with a knife.

This man, whether on drugs or alcohol, mentally ill, or a man wanting suicide by cop, was a threat to human life. Unfortunately the police did what they had to do to protect themselves and others.

I also saw the video and read the Signal's report.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:22 a.m.

The news outlets are never wrong in their reporting!


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:30 a.m.

People with opposing beliefs/views are not all cop haters. However, history shows that anyone that always believes what the Signal reports can be fooled. The video and eyewitness seem to carry more weight.


michaelmyers: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:32 a.m.

I'm assuming there was no chance/time to use a bean-bag shotgun.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:38 a.m.

michaelmyers: bean-bag shotgun seems like a good option.


awesometownman: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:47 a.m.

http://scvnews.com/2014/01/31/sheriff-statement-on-shooting-of-man-wielding-spear-knife/

OICU linked this article. There are more facts. The deputies had no time for anything else. He had two weapons. He came at the cops. They shot him. He's dead. People need to learn to wait for facts before jumping on the officers.

How sad is it that people jump on the bandwagon of defending this guy acting like this. As I said from the get go. I always take the side of the officers first. If they are found at fault then so be it, they were wrong. But they risk their lives day-in and day-out for you, for me, and for my family. They deserve our respect and admiration. They will make bad decisions, but so will you. But most of your decisions have nothing to do with life or death.


ride2live: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:50 a.m.

Just when I thought the people around this community were educated. As a witness, we saw this man with a metal tbar stake thrashing at people, not obeying commands from deputies and taunting. He was shot with no apparent results. He then produced a knife and started after the deputies, at which time they shot him again. Obviously, no less than lethal shooting in the arm, foot BS was working. Would you have all felt better if stuffed the stake in some womans head first? When someone has a weapon and not even a couple bullets wont stop them, what should deputies do? Go get some donuts until he comes down from whatever he was on? Hopefully, your family members become a victim so you can blame the deputies for not stopping the threat. Common sense is very uncommon these days in SCV.


ride2live: Posted: January 31, 2014 12:00 p.m.

For all of you SCV cop haters, ask this question? How many deputy involved shootings have occured in SCV in the last 20 years. Far less then the amount of innocent people murdered. So stop all of your trigger happy BS. It just shows how stupid you really are.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 12:12 p.m.

Labeling anyone who questions police tactics a "cop hater" is the epitome of showing stupidity. I guess the FBI are all cop haters too, eh?


src: Posted: January 31, 2014 12:41 p.m.

So far it sounds like it was a good shoot.


Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


chefgirl358: Posted: January 31, 2014 12:43 p.m.

According to the LA Times he had a METAL SPEAR AND A KNIFE, not a hockey stick! He was trying to hurt citizens. Good riddance.

THANK YOU DEPUTIES! GREAT JOB!


src: Posted: January 31, 2014 12:56 p.m.

Just read something about "shooting in the arm". NO.

The purpose of using a firearm is to stop a thread, not disarm it. Training dictates to aim center mass. And fire until the threat is neutralized.


Cheeetah: Posted: January 31, 2014 1:49 p.m.

I don't see anything wrong with what the sheriffs did.

I have come into contact with a lot of mentally disabled people and some of them are just crazy.
They make my anxiety fly through the roof. But this is because they have lost all form of logical thought. They don't understand logic and right from wrong.

If this guy was putting other lives in danger then he deserves what came to him.

Rule of thumb: If you don't want to die, don't do stupid stuff.

He was doing something stupid and he never considered the lives of anyone else.

So thank you, deputies!


JimmyStewart: Posted: January 31, 2014 2:05 p.m.

Those that always question the cops and assume they are the bad guys are cop haters.


tpaul: Posted: January 31, 2014 2:09 p.m.

We should all get toghter on the night of the next check point for some Pizza & Beer ! Oh what a fun time that would be... :)


bobforte: Posted: January 31, 2014 2:38 p.m.

This never would have happened if we had our own police force (very heavy sarcasm).


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 2:41 p.m.

Who turned up the volume for the Signal to report the criminal activity in the city of Santa Clarita? The paper has become the city's rap sheet producer. Nearly every other article cites a topic related to crime. By the way, should you buy the Signal at a newsstand for 75 cents week days, you will discover there is hardly enough paper to prime your bbq. Heck vern, there is barely enough paper to service a good outhouse for a week.


Leykis101: Posted: January 31, 2014 2:49 p.m.

I would like to thank the parents of this nutt job in doing such a great job of child rearing.


LosRubios: Posted: January 31, 2014 2:52 p.m.

@ride2live - thanks, very informative post. Seems like whatever he was high on had taken a good hold if the first shots fired were ineffective (assuming they hit the intended target). I've seen video of similar reactions from people high on PCP where tasers are virtually useless and they can break from their restraints. The area around Sierra & Soledad is quite busy at 8pm with both streets being major routes through the community, plus the Albertson's supermarket and Soledad bus stops adjacent to where this happened. Despite having shut the street down, there were clearly onlookers who took cellphone video and the deputies should be commended for the lack of collateral damage or injury in the circumstances. A decade ago, I had the opportunity to do weapons training and a ride-along with the Ontario PD and if any of the armchair experts think their job is easy, they should go on just one ride along, preferably on a Friday or Saturday night. Training teaches the officers to shoot for body mass (torso) with a couple of successive shots in these situations. I'm sure its not easy for the officers who were involved to know that they took a life, particularly since they were following their training and also responding to a situation that the victim had put them in, as opposed to vice versa.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 3:03 p.m.

I hear only want to be cops do ride alongs, can anyone go for the ride? Hey Tom should we have the parents shot?


LosRubios: Posted: January 31, 2014 3:17 p.m.

@michael - the company I was working for at the time was developing an automatic weapons training simulator that they were interested in and they offered the ride along, so we took them up on it. At the time (1997), Ontario PD had such a problem with gang members being armed with automatic weapons, they had replaced the shotguns in their patrol cars with AR-9s.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 3:23 p.m.

Thanks.


chefgirl358: Posted: January 31, 2014 4:36 p.m.

Michael, any average citizen can go for a ride. They'll run a basic check on you to make sure you don't have arrest warrants, restraining orders, rap sheet, that type of thing. It's super fun and very educational. I've been on a few several years ago.


devildawg: Posted: January 31, 2014 4:45 p.m.

Wow - I think everyone is missing one thing... absolutely NONE of this COULD have happened if the idiot wasn't acting like he was and trying to attack his fellow citizens. IMO if you are violent towards a fellow citizen and its unprovoked as in you are not defending yourself, you should be subdued or shot - period. For this example he was just being crazy and violent towards his fellow man and woman and I am glad the cops shot him, sorry that he died as a result of his wounds - but those are his own consequences - for his own actions.


DMeyer: Posted: January 31, 2014 4:55 p.m.

EgbertSouse4U:
Posted: January 31, 2014
12:12 p.m.
Labeling anyone who questions police tactics a "cop hater" is the epitome of showing stupidity. I guess the FBI are all cop haters too, eh?


Nice try EgonyourfacebertSpouse4U...but please look at your very first post on this article. YOU called the cops "MURDERERS", you were not questioning police tactics.

You are without a doubt a cop hater, have the courage to stand behind that and stop waffling. Don't be afraid, you have plenty of others on this site that feel the same way about police officers that you do.


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 5:07 p.m.

DMeyer: Just to clarify. My first comment was posted late last night after viewing the report on ABC News. It was reported that this person had nothing more than a hockey stick. As the facts became more "accurate," I said that given the circumstances, the sheriffs acted appropriately. If you don't believe me, scroll up and read my comments. I am by no means a cop hater.. but I also reserve the right to question their response. By labeling everyone who questions circumstances a "cop hater" it is simplistic at best. Does that mean if I question government policies I disagree with, I also hate the United States?


ohhyaa: Posted: January 31, 2014 5:21 p.m.

Egbert, Read post #2, "They MURDERED a guy with a cast on his arm dancing in the street"

How could we not think you are a cop hater?


DMeyer: Posted: January 31, 2014 5:28 p.m.

Thanks Egbert but like you many others also have opinions. The initial reaction of a cop hater would be to immediately condemn their actions without knowing all of the facts, wouldn't you agree? It seems as if that you have no concern as to what the actions of the criminal was, you only want to question the actions of the police.

I'm not the only one who thinks you have a bias against law enforcement, it's obvious.

Perhaps you should educate yourself as to what police officers can and can't do when confronted by a crazed armed individual. That information is readily available on the internet, this should be convenient enough for a keyboard toting expert like yourself.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 5:32 p.m.

Cops, and other public servants for that matter, are often placed on a pedestal they have not earned nor deserve. It takes more than just wearing the badge to earn that stature, in my opinion. This does not mean I hate cops!


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 5:37 p.m.

Because THAT was what was reported at the time, lots of erroneous information given out way too soon. I appreciate what law enforcement does and I have given kudos to the dept on these boards when they do a good bust as well. I have never been arrested in my life, I have no axe to grind. But blind devotion to ANYTHING is pretty scary too. I question everything. It also so happens that if the Sheriff's Department were ALWAYS right, they wouldn't have the Feds tying a noose around their necks right now. Ask Mr. Baca. Lots of corruption and misuse of power allegations. Cops are just people, and they are not all good, just like us. I would never be on anyone's side AUTOMATICALLY.


ohhyaa: Posted: January 31, 2014 5:39 p.m.

And I did say a hockey stick is a deadly weapon, not your perfectly manicured little "tootsie".


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 5:40 p.m.

Here is my post from ELEVEN O'CLOCK THIS MORNING!!!!

EgbertSouse4U: Posted: January 31, 2014 11:02 a.m.

OICU812: Thank you for the above link. If this was the case, the deputies were justified in drawing weapons and firing at the suspect. Maybe this confusion is due to erroneous reporting of a "man in an arm cast with a hockey stick." Not sure how the hockey stick turned into a knife and a spear, but if this guy charged anybody with a knife or spear he had it coming and I retract my earlier statements. I still think its tragic that someone had to die in the end.

So please quit flogging a dead horse already with your "cop hating" drivel.


DMeyer: Posted: January 31, 2014 5:43 p.m.

@michael

When someone has to put on a bulletproof vest just to go out and do their job I think that they do deserve our gratitude and the benefit of the doubt, whether it's police officers, military personnel or fire fighters. Their service and dedication requires more courage and fortitude than your job or my job. They are not perfect and sometimes they mess up, but generally speaking they do deserve our respect.

As the article states this shooting will be investigated up the ying yang by up to 5 different investigative bodies, including the District Attorney, if the deputies broke the law then they will be dealt with accordingly. Until then the benefit of the doubt belongs to them, not to the idiot running around in his underwear armed with a hockey stick and a knife threatening other people and the cops.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 5:45 p.m.

If past incidents have offered a lesson, we will all be surprised when the actual "weapons" are revealed to the public. I am guessing that mountain will become a mole hill.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 5:53 p.m.

@dmyers

You often like to put words in the mouth of others. I did not say I do not respect cops.


DMeyer: Posted: January 31, 2014 6:06 p.m.

@michael

I never said you did. What I said was that "generally speaking the cops deserve our respect". Don't you agree?


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 6:06 p.m.

Until 2007, the California Penal Code Section 26 stated that "Idiots" were one of six types of people who are not capable of committing crimes. In 2007 the code was amended to read "persons who are mentally incapacitated.

I guess the medical examiner will have to tell us which capacity applied here.


michael: Posted: January 31, 2014 6:21 p.m.

@DMEYER: Yes I agree, generally speaking but with a critical eye.


cms96a: Posted: January 31, 2014 7:19 p.m.

@ Michael. You are correct this was not at the Olympic venue in another country but tell the same crap your spewing to the thousands who never expected a plane to fly into their building.


Thunder82: Posted: January 31, 2014 8:34 p.m.

THANK YOU to all the officers involved in this dreadful ordeal. Thank you for doing what you do.


Rick54: Posted: February 1, 2014 11:15 p.m.

@Thunder82: Amen!


thecloser: Posted: February 1, 2014 12:18 a.m.

I doesn't matter if the cops overacted or not. Cops always get off - the so call internal investigation is a JOKE. That's to fool the ignorant public. Yes the man should have been stopped and maybe even shot, but multiple times. Think, some people like to shoot and joining the force is a "legal way" to kill. --edited.


stray: Posted: February 1, 2014 10:01 a.m.

@closer - "Cops always get off"

And who let them off ??? Answer - The same everyday people like you and me that respect our judicial system. Obviously, the 9 jurors examined ALL the evidence and found that the officers were simply doing what their supposed to do. You and I both were not at any of these trials, but those jurors that were there, DID THEIR JOB correctly - and came up with the verdict "NOT GUILTY"

Remember one thing. Police officers and teachers DO NOT serve on trials. So again, it is the general public, which are everyday citizens that participate on juries.


ruthlessone: Posted: February 1, 2014 10:31 a.m.

A lot of good comments and a lot of questionable ones, hope this clears some of it up...

When an officer draws their weapon, the game is over, the next moves you make will be the most important ones you ever make, it is likely to end poorly because at this point, fear for the safety of the public or the officer or fellow officers has been initiated. The options are simple, do as you are told or risk injury or death. If you are injured in this moment, consider yourself VERY lucky that that officers eye was off that day.

Shooting someone in the foot, hand, arm or leg is exactly where you see it....Hollywood, its done that way so the suspect can tell the officer where the money is, or the drugs, or the hostage is....if we shoot you in real life, its because talk time is over. Firing a weapon in law enforcement is last resort and not done to "slow the situation or get someone's attention", it is done to STOP the situation....period !

NO OFFICER wakes up in the morning and proceeds about their day asking who can I shoot today, nobody wants to be put in the situation of exercising the use of deadly force. Its is put upon us by a suspect, either criminal or civil danger.

Here is a scenario to think about, had the officers tried to restrain him, got into a physical battle, and he gotten his hand on a weapon belonging to a deputy and killed two officers and two bystanders, what conversation would be having right now ? The one wjere all of the armchair QB's say "why didn't they kill him when they had the chance ?" Trust me this scenario happens more often than you hear about !

Had the officers fired at his arms, legs, hands or feet, and missed and hit a bystander, a dog, a car, the conversation would have been "what the hell are you shooting at ?"

There is very little time to assess a dangerous situation before it spirals out of control, in this instance, there was no collateral damage, the suspect and his actions were stopped, no officers or bystanders were injured and it was a JUSTIFIABLE shooting by all means. That does not make it any less sad and thoughts and prayers go out to the family of the suspect, death is never easy, and also to all of the officers involved as it is a TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE and follows them for life.

And with regards to "getting off", officers go through the same system as the public, a jury decides after hearing evidence that you the public never see or hear, and make a decision, respect your justice system, they are your laws, that only you can change, but it wont be changed here in this forum !!


2good4scv: Posted: February 1, 2014 10:52 a.m.

Are any of you posters out there old enough to remember the shoot-out at "The Ramp" restaurant in the 80's? I suggest you all try and find the article and read it!


randygriffin: Posted: February 1, 2014 11:03 a.m.

Jan 31, 2014 I spoke with a Female Deputy Sheriff "Name withheld upon request" today and asked her about her view on unlawful detainment her response was that in order to stop someone you have to have probable cause this is what they teach you at the academy; to stop someone you have to be careful as to not to violate their civil rights etc. The Deputy also stated that unlawful detainment could result in disciplinary actions being taken against the Officer, so therefore; every Officer has to use caution so as not to violate some ones civil and constitutional rights when it comes to stopping some one for no legal reason.


randygriffin: Posted: February 1, 2014 11:19 a.m.

The Officers could have used non-lethal force in stead of using deadly force the Officers I' am sure had other options that could have used, instead they choose to use deadly force... they could have used pepper spray or used the bean-bag gun to take the suspect into custody instead of using deadly force the Officers did not weight their options first, yes they are trained to make a split second decision but they are also trained to weight their options as how to handle the situation as well so deadly force does not have to be used. Yes the suspect refused to follow the orders of the Officers however, in the process the Officers should have weighted their options as to use deadly force or not.


ruthlessone: Posted: February 1, 2014 11:51 a.m.

Once again, if there is a perceived threat to the public, that threat must be contained before it is carried out against a bystander. Sometimes you don't have time to retrieve a bean bag gun from your trunk and prepare that. If the suspect had a knife, a firearm is warranted, not a non-lethal form of attack. We are talking about split seconds here and there will be hundreds who will second guess the actions of these officers, but it was a textbook handling.


stray: Posted: February 1, 2014 12:07 p.m.

@2good4scv - "Are any of you posters out there old enough to remember the shoot-out at "The Ramp" restaurant in the 80's?"


Here ya go...

http://www.chp.ca.gov/memorial/newhall.html



bobforte: Posted: February 1, 2014 12:52 p.m.

Randy, first of all, you didn't' talk to a deputy sheriff and don't know why you would have to say they are male or female. The information you got was copied right from the internet and everyone knows about probably cause. It is taught in all law classes at the high school and college levels.

Using pepper spray on someone with a knife is like bringing a knife to a gun battle. Pepper spray doesn't always work. SO put yourself in the deputies shoes. A person is going to come at you with a knife or spear in this case. You know your gun will stop them. Are you going to risk your life hoping the pepperspray works, or are you going to use the weapon you know will work?

Pepper spray is for situations where you know the person is or perceived to be unarmed. Next time you talk to a Female Deputy Sheriff, make sure you get your facts straight. And I am confused. Are you saying there was no probable cause to stop this person? There was no unlawful detainment here either.


DMeyer: Posted: February 1, 2014 3:24 p.m.

randygriffin has already been proven to be a cop hating liar. But to expect that he learned about probable cause in high school law or college classes like the rest of us is unfair, he never made it that far in school. Let the poor guy keep making stuff up as he goes along.


stray: Posted: February 1, 2014 3:52 p.m.

Amazing... The amount of negative comments about law enforcement.

It's sad that this individual lost his life over his actions - whether he was mentally unstable or on drugs or both. But, it has amazed me that some people jumped all over the Sheriffs' actions. The Sheriffs had no other choice to do anything but shoot to kill him after the suspect started approaching the Sheriffs while ignoring their commands. He was, in fact, a serious menace to the general public as well as the officers themselves.

I cannot possibly imagine all the negative comments here IF the guy was black and the Sheriffs were white. Then, not only would the Sheriffs be classified as racists, then we would have had to listen to the BIG MOUTH, race baiter, Al Sharpton while playing the race card. Thank God that I don't have to see his face in front of the microphones and cameras over this matter!

I cannot imagine how the family is coping with this incident. Truly sad.


DMeyer: Posted: February 1, 2014 4:07 p.m.

@stray

I completely agree. The negative comments are posted because those that hate the cops will take any chance they get to try and smear the cops for doing what they could never have the balls to do themselves.

To see the typical anti cop rants on this article is darn right comical, they have no clue as to what they're talking about.

This is such a no brainer, deranged perp charges at the cops armed with a large stick and a knife, done deal, deadly force is now on the table. No more time for talk or taser or bean bags, time to put the crazed dangerous man down and down fast.

This isn't even close to being a questionable or unlawful shooting.


stray: Posted: February 1, 2014 6:03 p.m.

@ DMeyer -

Glad to hear that you agree. It's a sad day in society when the masses try and smear the cops at every opportunity they can. Earlier, posters encouraged citizens to joy ride with our heroes. What a great idea. That would certainly open their eyes; and for once, they'd understand what it's like to be put into dangerous situations on a regular basis. I don't care how much money Sheriffs make, they don't make enough for the dangers they encounter every time they are called out to "serve and protect" us law abiding citizens.

These same officers were all able to go home to their families un-injured. Thankfully, so was the driver of that car whose car was hit with the hockey stick. Who knows what else could have happened if that suspect wacked that driver with the stick and lost control of the car. Everyone involved went home safely - this could have turned out so much worse.

To the Sheriffs Department whose personnel are reading these comments: You have the vast majority of the community behind you and we respect the job you do for us! Thank you kindly...


Rick54: Posted: February 1, 2014 7:09 p.m.

Interesting...some here mention using pepper spray or a bean bag gun. From what I've read, he took a couple shots to the body with real bullets and seemed to be unaffected, then continued to advance on the officers. They had to fire again to eventually stop him. Seems like the officers showed amazing restraint. Bean Bag gun...what a joke.


chefgirl358: Posted: February 1, 2014 7:52 p.m.

I come from a law enforcement family and at the end of the day, all I care about is my loved ones coming home safe and sound. If some criminal or ding is up to no good and might hurt a citizen or my family members, then I'm glad the cops can do what they have to in order to end that threat to everyone.

Thank you deputies!


ginabeena: Posted: February 2, 2014 9:28 a.m.

why do they have to kill .what is all the training for they are big strong guys and there were a lot of them. why couldn't they taser or bean bag him. I want to feel safe to but Im afraid of the sheriffs now. If someone acts out of line they probably will be killed because they can.Are they that afraid that they just shoot. It is a sad thing.We are at their mercy!


stray: Posted: February 2, 2014 10:39 a.m.

@gina - "Why do they have to kill?"

Apparently, you have not read the article in its entirety. Witnesses admitted that the guy was rebellous and he was visibly carrying a weapon. First, the hockey stick, then the knife. When he approached the Sheriffs, after they ordered him to drop his weapon and did not, he lost his only chance to survive this ordeal.

@gina - "I want to feel safe to but Im afraid of the sheriffs now"

You don't have to fear the Sheriffs at any time. If you haven't done anything against their command, you won't have to fear them. We ALL know that the Sheriffs are being investigated at the Twin Towers; but, it's quite possible that obstructive inmates didn't follow instructions and possibly started fighting with the officers. None of us know what goes on in prison walls, but from what I've seen on MSNBC called "Lockup", it amazes me the amount of $h*t that the officers are put through. Inmates throw feces and urine bottles at them, and then the inmates pay the price when they get the posse of police staff on them to contain the situation.

In the end, you don't have to fear law enforcement. When approached, display respect to Sheriffs, and I would bet that you will receive the same respect in return. If you rebel, you will lose. It's simple.


ohhyaa: Posted: February 2, 2014 1:43 p.m.

ginabeena, your post is absurd. I recommend therapy.


kimanthac: Posted: February 2, 2014 2:51 p.m.

Ginabeena, are you serious? Please dont ever reproduce, there isnt enough chlorine on the planet to clean your gene pool


DMeyer: Posted: February 3, 2014 9:08 p.m.

ginabeena

If you refrain from attacking other people or cops with large dangerous sticks or with knives and you will have nothing to worry about. If for whatever reason you feel compelled to attack others and the cops then you certainly risk being shot. It's rather simple. The cops only react to what they are confronted with. Don't be a threat to them or to anyone else and they won't treat you as such.

I hope this is a concept that you can understand, there is no need to be afraid of cops.


2good4scv: Posted: February 3, 2014 9:59 a.m.

'stray' Thanks for the info but that incident was in the 70's. The one I'm talking about was at a restaurant called "The Ramp" on Soledad Canyon very near Chi Chi's Pizza. This particular incident happened in the 80's. It was a going away party for one of the deputies at the SCV station, so there happened to be mostly law enforcement personnel there off duty. (most them were friends and acquaintances of mine).....there was a shoot out with a customer....


Rick54: Posted: February 3, 2014 10:26 a.m.

2good4scv: Here you go.
http://articles.latimes.com/1985-06-07/local/me-16091_1_deputies


stray: Posted: February 3, 2014 6:07 p.m.

Wow, thanks to both of you above. I never heard of that incident and I'm sure that the dummy never expected that the restaurant was packed with off duty officers!

Always nice to read about another success story about our officers!


michael: Posted: February 4, 2014 9:07 p.m.

me thinks there is a pompous ass on this board!


2good4scv: Posted: February 4, 2014 7:22 a.m.

Rick54....thanks! I've been looking around for the article!



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