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Proud to stand up with Israel

Posted: August 10, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: August 10, 2014 2:00 a.m.
 

I’m proud of the three Jewish congregations in Santa Clarita for showing their support and solidarity for Israel, the homeland of their religion.

They should know that many, many Christians support Israel also in this time of trial and fighting against terrorists.

Wondering where our White House and federal officials stand? Silence. What about the Jewish “big celebrities” in

Hollywood? Silence.

And what about the condemnation of Hamas by the Muslim community?

More silence.

Wake up, Americans! Israel is our only ally and friend in that “neighborhood.”

 

Comments

BrianBaker: Posted: August 10, 2014 9:38 a.m.

Absolutely right.


tech: Posted: August 10, 2014 11:27 a.m.

I too stand with our ally Israel for civilization, tolerance and peace.


scvforall: Posted: August 10, 2014 12:06 p.m.

So sad. Israel is home to many of the World's faiths. It is no more a Jewish Country, than Italy is a Catholic one. I am proud of the Temples in the SCV for standing up. I'd like to see others do the same. We are all one people and all want the same things: peace, freedom, love and a feeling of security.

The war in the Middle East will never end until everyone recognizes that freedom of belief is a fundamental human right.


chefgirl358: Posted: August 10, 2014 2:01 p.m.

Agreed.


hopeful: Posted: August 10, 2014 2:09 p.m.

Very well said!


projalice11: Posted: August 10, 2014 2:57 p.m.


"Proud to stand up with Israel"

Proud of your LTE Glenda.

Proud of the posters.


therightstuff: Posted: August 10, 2014 5:16 p.m.

"""The war in the Middle East will never end until everyone recognizes that freedom of belief is a fundamental human right."""

The greatest threat to civil liberties in the world is religious freedom.


tech: Posted: August 10, 2014 7:38 p.m.

One presumes you meant the lack of religious freedom, TRS.


CaptGene: Posted: August 10, 2014 11:43 p.m.

Agreed. TRS, please tell me that was a typo.


therightstuff: Posted: August 11, 2014 12:11 a.m.

No. I never make mistakes on my posts. You religious conservative GOP recitalists have just been watching Fox News too much.

Seriously - my bad. I was trying to echo the good point made by scvforall. There are more threats to religious freedom in the world than any other civil liberty.


OldReliable: Posted: August 11, 2014 10:05 a.m.

I stand with Israel.


ricketzz: Posted: August 11, 2014 10:30 a.m.

Religious freedom is a contradiction in terms. Religion has delivered the mess we now face. Religion turns cousins against cousins; Semitic Jews against Semitic Arabs. War is evil; both sides are wrong. I am sick to my stomach over this festering boil on the landscape since before I was born. The UN needs to occupy the whole mess, disarm both sides, and figure out a governance structure that can work for everyone.

I have never been convinced that the Palestinians deserved to lose Palestine.


Nitsho: Posted: August 11, 2014 11:02 a.m.

Ricketzz.

what you fail to see, understand and realize is that for you just saying this..."Religion has delivered the mess we now face" you would be shot, beheaded and hung in the town square by the very Muslims you seem to coddle. Even the other Arab nations don't want the Palestinians. Be thankful you even have the ability to say that. The likes of you are so busy hating America you forget how good you have it.

Religious freedom means the ability to worship without prosecution. I'm sure you or Indy would bring up the inquisition as proof of Christian prosecution, however, I am not aware of any mass kills other religions have done, besides the Muslims, in the past 100 - 200 years.


tech: Posted: August 11, 2014 12:48 p.m.

"Religious freedom is a contradiction in terms." - ricketzz

It's nothing of the sort, ricktezz. It is so important that this inalienable right was recognized by our Founders in the Constitution. USA citizens are free to exercise their faith or hold none at all without coercion or interference from their government. The USA is a global model of religious tolerance and freedom.

There are 2 salient points that anti-religionists fail to note:

• The most prolific mass murders and genocide in history weren't driven by religion. Totalitarian states were responsible and the body count in the 20th Century was in the tens of millions.
• Religion played a key role in ending slavery as a common practice globally and guaranteeing civil rights for all.

"I have never been convinced that the Palestinians deserved to lose Palestine." - ricketzz

Fact: "Palestinians" are a political construct. They are Arabs and speak Arabic. Palestinians have never had a state to "lose" with the exception of one that was repeatedly offered and in each instance refused.

In antiquity, Palestine comprised the kingdoms of Israel and Judah. The land was controlled at various times by the Egyptian, Assyrian, Persian, and Roman empires before being conquered by the Arabs in 634 AD. Parts were ruled by European powers in the early Middle Ages. It was ruled by the Ottoman Empire from 1516 to 1918. The name Palestine was used as the official political title for the land west of the Jordan mandated to Britain in 1920; in 1948, the state of Israel was established in what was traditionally Palestine with a partition and equivalent state offered to Arabs in Palestine.

Here's a video primer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZY8m0cm1oY --edited.


therightstuff: Posted: August 11, 2014 1:07 p.m.

"Religious freedom is a contradiction in terms." - ricketzz

I would agree that religion and freedom can be a contradiction in terms if we are bound by man-made rules and regulations that are impossible to follow. This is part of why Jesus came to set us free from the law of religion.


CaptGene: Posted: August 11, 2014 1:54 p.m.

TRS, Amen.


ricketzz: Posted: August 12, 2014 10:14 a.m.

The residents of the land west of the Jordan were displaced. They were displaced by people with dubious claims on land that had been in families for many generations and there has been constant hellish war ever since. I condemn both sides, but the division of Near SW Asia in 1916 was flawed and the formation of ARAMCO capitalized on the flaws. The Zionists picked the worst place in the world for their Eden (except maybe Eden, which was drained as a swamp). The USA has watched patiently as neither side makes the slightest concession; it is time to threaten to end this alliance. Put the fate of the Jewish State in the hands of al Sisi (Egypt) and Erdogan (Turkee). Or better yet, the UN. Blue helmets everywhere.


17trillion: Posted: August 12, 2014 12:09 p.m.

"The USA has watched patiently as neither side makes the slightest concession"


What? What is worse, someone who is utterly clueless or someone who thinks he's so smart but is in actuality utterly clueless?


AlwaysRight: Posted: August 12, 2014 12:28 p.m.

Tech nailed it. There are no "Palestinians" but simply nomadic arab groups that now call the area "home."

Previous to Judah and Israel, the major Canaanite groups were the Hittites, Amorites, Hivites, Jebusites, and Perizzites (sp?). Other minor ones either migrated away or melded into the new Jewish kingdoms. These people groups do not exist today and their culture has been all but lost in the sands of time.

Frankly, the generosity of the Israelis is remarkable. To give up an area of their nation as a home to their sworn enemies goes against logic. But, in the hope of earning piece with their brothers, they are trying.

We should support this unconditionally.


AlwaysRight: Posted: August 12, 2014 12:37 p.m.

AND, if the pro-Palestinians want to be angry at someone, might as well focus on the English. The Brits threw the Turks out of Palestine in the early 1900's (yes, watch Lawrence of Arabia). It was the UK that created Israel after WW2.

The existence of Israel is truly miraculous. No state has ever been created by another for the sole purpose of altruism. Did God have a hand in it? To ignore His fingerprints would be foolish...


tech: Posted: August 12, 2014 8:15 p.m.

"Put the fate of the Jewish State in the hands of al Sisi (Egypt) and Erdogan (Turkee). Or better yet, the UN. Blue helmets everywhere." - ricketzz

Utter nonsense, ricketzz. Israel is a sovereign nation and a member of the UN.

Erdogan is an Islamist bent on moving Turkey back into the darkness that destroyed the Ottoman Empire. He's learned the constitutional revolving door trick from the oligarch to the north. Ataturk created a secular state that seemed destined to join Europe but the retrograde forces are still at it.

In Egypt, al-Sisi has his hands full dealing with the Muslim Brotherhood and the Hamas branch of that hydra. At least they're cooperating with Israel to close off the Sinai smuggling tunnels of the fanatics. The Egyptian economy is a train wreck.

Ceding national security to the UN would be insanity. Blue Helmets = incompetence and corruption.


tech: Posted: August 12, 2014 8:25 p.m.

AR: The UK certainly was a force in Palestine, with the Balfour Declaration supporting the creation of a Jewish State and the mandate from the League of Nations. However, the Partition Plan for Palestine was a proposal developed by the UN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine


ricketzz: Posted: August 13, 2014 9:36 a.m.

The movement to seize the Land West of the Jordan River was well under way before ww2.

I am leery of any recently edited wiki

"This page was last modified on 13 August 2014 at 01:04."


tech: Posted: August 13, 2014 1:15 p.m.

I have little concern for what you're "leery" of, ricketzz. Often, your posts reflect only a passing acquaintance with history.

Dispute facts rather than sources.


Unreal: Posted: August 13, 2014 1:59 p.m.

The Kurds in Northern Iraq want their own country too. Are they bombing other cities in Iraq over it? No. They are using their money and building materials to build Universities, infrastructure, shops, malls, houses. They have a very cosmopolitan city. They may well soon be given their own country as they can handle it. They even have their own army who does not drop their guns and run like the other troops in Iraq. They also protect their women and children and don't use their lives for PR.

Palestinians should take note of their example if they want the world to have any sympathy for them.

I am on Israel's side and always will be.


AlwaysRight: Posted: August 13, 2014 5:40 p.m.

"He (Ishmael) will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone's hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers." NAS, Gen 16:12

Wow. Who said the Bible isn't appropriate for today?


ricketzz: Posted: August 14, 2014 11:16 a.m.

Religion is nothing to base a government on. Religion makes things worse. Much worse. Kurdistan is under control of Big Oil. Obama will defend the oil.


tech: Posted: August 16, 2014 12:13 p.m.

"Religion is nothing to base a government on." - ricketzz

Have you penned your protest letters to Hamas, Hezbollah, The Muslim Brotherhood, Iran, etc.?


stray: Posted: August 17, 2014 11:25 a.m.

@ricketzz - "I am sick to my stomach over this festering boil on the landscape since before I was born"

Correction - you meant to say "Before I was hatched" :)


ricketzz: Posted: August 18, 2014 10:01 a.m.

Born. I have proof. 5P in the afternoon. 100 degrees outside. 5.5 pounds.


tech: Posted: August 18, 2014 2:56 p.m.

What Would Hamas Do If It Could Do Whatever It Wanted?
Understanding what the Muslim Brotherhood's Gaza branch wants by studying its theology, strategy, and history

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/what-would-hamas-do-if-it-could-do-whatever-it-wanted/375545/


ricketzz: Posted: August 19, 2014 10:10 a.m.

Dear Tech; I am not alone. There are Egyptian counterparts. In war neither side has any moral ground. Expect us.


tech: Posted: August 21, 2014 12:06 a.m.

I expect you and your cohort to fail because they're ignorant of history and Grand Strategy, ricketzz.

I'll grant that your mob rhetoric is amusing.


tech: Posted: August 21, 2014 12:09 a.m.

By the way, that you side with Islamofascists is telling, ricketzz.


ricketzz: Posted: August 21, 2014 10:22 a.m.

The fact that you think I am picking a side tells me you have a serious reality deficit.


ricketzz: Posted: August 21, 2014 10:32 a.m.

If you want to know about Grand Strategy follow the money. This whole war could be misdirection. Ya never know, do you?

http://www.alternet.org/economy/tpp-and-obama

"Dean Baker opposed the US government bailout of Wall Street banks on the basis that the only people who stood to lose from their collapse were their shareholders and well-paid CEOs. Regarding any hypothetical, negative effects of not extending the bailout, he has explained, "We know how to keep the financial system operating even as banks go into bankruptcy and receivership" citing US government action taken during the S&L crisis of the 1980s. He has ridiculed the US elite for favoring it, asking, "How do you make a DC intellectual look less articulate than Sarah Palin being interviewed by Katie Couric? That's easy. You ask them how failure to pass the bailout will give us a Great Depression." -wikipedia


tech: Posted: August 21, 2014 2:29 p.m.

"The fact that you think I am picking a side tells me you have a serious reality deficit." - ricketzz

LOL! Whatever, ricketzz. I realized some time ago that you can't be reached and am content to point out your systemic errors.


ricketzz: Posted: August 22, 2014 9:39 a.m.

"Reached"? Are you a frickin' evangelist now?

The Islamic State only controls a few highways and cities along them. They have long supply lines that are easily disturbed once deploy-able armies are organized. The Shia militias of al Sadr, others; the Iranians have an Army second to none (once we replenish their spare parts). Russia and Syria would help, too. The USA has the problem of Allies-on-both-sides, as IS is supported by our Sunni benefactors: Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Turkee.

Water, food, fuel, ammo; go after the consumables at the source. chase them backwards into an ambush. Road to Basra; Shock and Awe.

I won't say they are evil because I don't believe in supernaturality, but they have no valid cause and they are hurting innocent 3rd parties and seem to be getting drunk with blood lust. No valid religion nor ethos condones thrill kill cults.
"
Dear Tech; what is a "systemic error. Please give 3 examples. Thanks.


tech: Posted: August 23, 2014 1:17 a.m.

"Reached"? Are you a friction' evangelist now? - ricketzz

Reached by logic, obvious to anyone that doesn't have an anti-religion bias.

systemic |səˈstemik| adjective
1 of or relating to a system, esp. as opposed to a particular part: the disease is localized rather than systemic.

error |ˈerər| noun
a mistake: spelling errors | an error of judgment.
• the state or condition of being wrong in conduct or judgment: the money had been paid in error | the crash was caused by human error.


trooper76: Posted: August 24, 2014 1:23 p.m.

If Hamas laid down their arms....there would peace immediately! If Israel laid down their arms....it would be wiped off the face of the earth!
God bless Israel and it's defenders.


tech: Posted: August 27, 2014 12:07 a.m.

Precisely, trooper76.


ricketzz: Posted: August 27, 2014 10:15 a.m.

Israel is an occupying stateless terror organization. All occupations fail. Sooner or later. Any moral capital they may have had was wiped clean in the past 6 weeks. Either they defend us or we cut them off. Same for Turkee and Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Jordan and the UAE (who have been attacking Syria without our permission: "nudge nudge, wink wink").

Either Israel gets with the program and learns to get along and sincerely makesreparations and builds a single secular state for all or they will continue to sink into an illogical conumdrum. The Bible is not a deed. Possession is 9/10ths of the law when the paper trail is gone.


CaptGene: Posted: August 27, 2014 3:54 p.m.

cricketzz: "Israel is an occupying stateless terror organization"

Award winning.


tech: Posted: August 28, 2014 9:16 p.m.

Hamas is an occupying stateless terror organization.

There. Fixed that for you, ricketzz.

Islamist fascism = 1 man, 1 vote, 1 time if their victims are lucky. Otherwise, the sword is the shortcut to skip "democratic" niceties.


ricketzz: Posted: August 29, 2014 10:50 a.m.

The Palestinians were there already. Hamas has that going for them. (I think they're working for Raytheon, personally). "Terrorist" is my #1 word for the forever banned list.

People need to be educated and informed for a generation before they should be allowed to vote. That's what our Founders believed in. Voters should be able to think and they should be armed with the best facts.

The [name a belief system here] State is a bad idea. Try something else.


tech: Posted: August 29, 2014 11:38 p.m.

As you recall from my history lessons, in addition to Arabs, Jews and Christians were in Palestine as well.

Do you support literacy tests for voters, ricketzz?



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