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Posted: August 8, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: August 8, 2014 2:00 a.m.

Regarding The Signal editorial “Cooperation needed during water crisis” published in the Aug. 3 issue of the paper: Where in this cooperation do the state, county and city responsibilities come into play?

I am not talking about tokenisms, such as backing off the watering of public areas. I am talking about the continuing expansion of new housing when we can’t even support the utilities for existing housing.

I drive to Las Vegas through Victorville and see large new housing developments in the middle of what is essentially a desert. What are they thinking?

The scenario is all too clear. Build more housing, run out of utilities, charge residents more money for their existing utilities and then finally tell them they can’t even use them fully.

Now, once again, it is time for us to sacrifice, for us to cut back.

California as a whole has a history of poor planning and making bad deals regarding water conservation.

Valencia lately seems to be on a housing expansion binge, probably salivating at the new tax revenues, contractor fees and the prestige from managing a larger town.

In the meantime we are all supposed to take shorter showers and watch our lawns turn brown for the sake of bureaucracy, politics and the resulting refusal to intelligently plan ahead regarding utilities to support it all.



OldReliable: Posted: August 8, 2014 10:14 a.m.

But Walter, there are little fishies to save up north, doncha see....

ricketzz: Posted: August 8, 2014 10:19 a.m.

We are out of water. We need to quit pretending there is more in the ground. People from Texas have been stealing our water for their oil wells. A million gallons per fracked well, give or take. Pray for rain and start making deals with Canada.

Nitsho: Posted: August 8, 2014 10:54 a.m.

"People from Texas have been stealing our water for their oil wells"


chico: Posted: August 8, 2014 11:06 a.m.

The writer makes a good point.

It doesn't have to be this way.

We can live in drought prone areas and still have plenty of water.

But look what the authorities have done to us.

projalice11: Posted: August 8, 2014 11:35 a.m.

Regardless of the why's Just conserve water *****

17trillion: Posted: August 8, 2014 12:56 p.m.

"Regardless of the why's Just conserve water *****"

Bunnies are cute.

tech: Posted: August 8, 2014 3:38 p.m.

"People from Texas have been stealing our water for their oil wells." - ricketzz

"Regardless of the why's Just conserve water *****" - projalice11

I've tried but can't seem to stem the tide of my tears of laughter. :-D

OldReliable: Posted: August 8, 2014 3:39 p.m.

Cricketzzzz, you are absolutely hilarious!

projalice11: Posted: August 8, 2014 9:27 p.m.

"Bunnies are cute." Most profound ******

Some posters are ugly******

ricketzz: Posted: August 9, 2014 10:11 a.m.

Fracking poses a serious threat to California’s water supply and quality. It is an extremely water intensive practice, using hundreds of thousands to millions of gallons of water to frack a single well.

Fracking, Chemicals and Water

Fracking utilizes a mixture of chemicals, many of which are toxic or are known to cause human health problems. A 2011 study by the US Congress identified over 750 different chemicals used in the fracking process, including 29 different chemicals that are either:
known or possible human carcinogens,
regulated under the Safe Drinking Water Act for their risk to human health,
listed as hazardous air pollutants under the Clean Air Act.
Millions of gallons of these dangerous chemicals, such as naphthalene, BTEX compounds (benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylene), methanol, and lead are injected into the earth every year. In addition, fracking wastewater contains harmful components such as high salt content, naturally occurring radioactive material, and heavy metals such as arsenic.

Fracking has an especially high impact on water resources because most contaminated wastewater from fracking is removed from the water cycle. However, companies like Venoco and Occidental have plans to significantly ramp up fracking in California to make California the largest source of on-shore oil production in the country in the next 10 years. With 35 million people and the largest agricultural industry in the U.S., there is simply not enough water to accommodate such high levels of water usage for oil and gas drilling in California."

tech: Posted: August 9, 2014 11:31 a.m.

Fracking has been deemed safe by the EPA and will be highly regulated in CA.

chefgirl358: Posted: August 9, 2014 9:41 p.m.

I never thought I'd say this, but (sigh), I agree with Ricketzz. I think fracking is bad, horrible and dangerous to the environment, our health and water supply. I hope it ends up being banned outright. --edited.

tech: Posted: August 10, 2014 12:35 a.m.

Fracking won't be banned, chefgirl, as the cost/benefit case is too compelling. It'll be expanded in Europe as well.

chefgirl358: Posted: August 10, 2014 1:28 a.m.

It might be once they have some irreversible disaster that destroys the ecosystem, environment and contaminates a major water source for some town.

tech: Posted: August 10, 2014 1:57 a.m.

I wouldn't put my money on that probability, chefgirl. Let's watch the data continue to roll in.

ricketzz: Posted: August 10, 2014 11:08 a.m.

Fracking is only safe if the well is properly cemented and no fluids are spilled. States are responsible for inspecting well construction and they are not up to the task. Big Oil has them (and you) wrapped around their yellowing little finger. They'd rather bribe your neighbors than spend a lot of money on a well that's going to run dry in a couple years.

Fracking is us, the collective junkie, milking the cotton rather than going through a couple days of dry heaves; ignoring the clean world that beckons.

tech: Posted: August 10, 2014 11:20 a.m.

What say another viewing of Gasland today, ricketzz? You make the oil sheiks and dictators smile.

ricketzz: Posted: August 11, 2014 10:37 a.m.

I have never seen Gasland. I lived in Texas for 20 years, go back regularly. Setting fire to the water is no great shakes.

We are going to make you wish you never heard of petroleum before this is over.

17trillion: Posted: August 11, 2014 12:51 p.m.

"We are going to make you wish you never heard of petroleum before this is over."

And you of course don't have a car? What a sanctimonious hypocrite! Go live in a cave somewhere Ricketzz and rock yourself to sleep knowing you don't have to worry about the horrors of petroleum.

tech: Posted: August 11, 2014 2:21 p.m.

"We are going to make you wish you never heard of petroleum before this is over." - ricketzz


That's not going to happen. As 17t expressed, I'd posit that your views would be rather plastic on petroleum if you were required to match your actions with the polemics you write here, ricketzz.

Past residence and travel to Texas is one of the weakest appeals to authority I've read in these forums. I travel to Texas regularly on business and have relatives and colleagues that reside there as well. So what?

ricketzz: Posted: August 12, 2014 10:24 a.m.

"Relatives and colleagues" you say? Oh my!

I have lost friends in refinery explosions. My ex-wife's circle included a family with a pipe fitter and when his crew came to town our family got a lot bigger. My friends included petroleum engineers from U of H and Texas A&M, and the grandsons and grand-daughters of the men who built the industry from the humble beginnings here, then Spindletop. There is a folklore around drilling and refining, part of which is to never ever look back.

Do you really want to brag about something that is covering the world in microscopic polyethylene chips?

CaptGene: Posted: August 12, 2014 2:30 p.m.

This is why nobody takes you seriously cricketzz.

You go from this: "I lived in Texas for 20 years, go back regularly" to some lengthy monologue about your supposed acquaintances in the industry that may or may not exist, as if having said acquaintances somehow gives you some expertise in their field. Using your "logic" those people should be able to claim authority on news production since they know you, an award winning producer!

What a hit you must be with those folks when you start with your verbal diarrhea about how they and their industry are killing the planet.

Laugh out loud funny.

ricketzz: Posted: August 13, 2014 9:45 a.m.

CaptGene: When I wasn't producing award winning documentaries I did underground construction (sewer pipes and fiber optics). The petroleum pipe guys and I were all steel toed hard hatted hard drinking good old boys. These aren't casual acquaintances; these are my extended family. The academics were volunteers at radio stations, they are less intimate.

The subject was whether extracting oil has any redeeming social value going forward, especially in light of the huge amounts of sweet water forever contaminated by the process.

CaptGene: Posted: August 13, 2014 10:05 a.m.

And in other news, cricketzz has once again moved the goal posts, this time he chose to go for the unconventional lateral move.

Lay the crapola you spew here on your "extended family", let me know how long it is before they stop returning your calls.

tech: Posted: August 13, 2014 1:28 p.m.

Shorter ricketzz: My appeal to authority is bigger than yours and plastic is covering the world!

LOL! Tell us about your life without plastic, ricketzz.

ricketzz: Posted: August 14, 2014 11:22 a.m.

Tech sounds like an industrial film! Haha. Without plastic in the distributor my MG3 would have lasted longer. Life without ubiquitous plastic would be nice. Hemp makes superior engineered material in many cases, and biodegrades. When your only tool is Big Oil, every problem looks like a squeaky wheel.

tech: Posted: August 14, 2014 11:30 p.m.

Let us know when you've replaced all your possessions containing plastic with hemp, ricketzz.

Does High Times have DIY projects like Popular Mechanics publishes? You write like one of their editors. --edited.

ricketzz: Posted: August 15, 2014 10:49 a.m.

I used to read High Times. They send it to my old newsroom. We got the Washington Times as well. There is a magazine called Make if you want DIY projects.

I have whatever plastic is wrapped around my computer and inside the fridge and car. I don't mind making plastic and chemicals from petroleum. I object to burning it to make steam mostly. It is irrational to continue to dig it up, use merely as motor fuel. We need to go Cold Turkey. Too late for gentle weaning. I should probably sell my car, before the bottom drops out.

tech: Posted: August 15, 2014 4:26 p.m.

"I should probably sell my car, before the bottom drops out." -ricketzz

Please do. Leading by example would demonstrate the strength of your convictions. It's a done deal, right?

Because… science!

ricketzz: Posted: August 25, 2014 11:01 a.m.

I no longer drive a Chrysler New Yorker with a 440. My current auto has 133.6 cubic inches (2.5 liter) motor. When it no longer takes at least 2 hours to get anywhere by public transit I'll stop driving. (Going to keep the beast as it can negotiate fire roads, river beds, etc.)

With 55 degrees in the morning and 90 degrees in the afternoon there is no reason we can't make passive solar water distillers on an industrial scale. No need for energy intensive solutions.

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