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Take it to heart and conserve water

Posted: July 31, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: July 31, 2014 2:00 a.m.

Editor’s note: About 50 percent of the water consumed in the Santa Clarita Valley comes from underground water sources.

This drought that we are experiencing in California “ has been the driest period since record-keeping began in the 19th century.”

Gov. Jerry Brown has asked for a 20 percent cutback in water use, but unfortunately water consumption has risen since that request.

The other unfortunate thing is that the defiers and challengers are trying to prove to Brown and all involved in this water conservation program that this doesn’t apply to them.

Some of the comments about not abiding by this water conversation program have been appalling, and reading some of the comments in the newspapers defying the drought is most scary.

I would like to think that these negative attitudes from non-believers are from the ones who don’t understand the urgency of this crucial matter.

My understanding is that underground water could alleviate some of this problem.

Other Western states regulate groundwater usage, but California does not.

The consensus is that underground water could determine California’s water future.

To all Californians: Please conserve water. It is very important for your welfare and for California’s welfare.


ricketzz: Posted: July 31, 2014 9:55 a.m.

It turns out we have a lot less water than we think we do. There is no measurement of what is being pumped. Our "banked" water may be fracking a gas well in Kern County right now.

chefgirl358: Posted: July 31, 2014 11:55 a.m.

Lois, apparently the Signal is the ONLY source of media you follow. If you were better informed you would know that several articles have been written that poked holes all throughout the propaganda that water consumption increased following the request to conserve water. The methods they came to that conclusion with were terribly flawed and full of political bs.

chefgirl358: Posted: July 31, 2014 12:01 p.m.

Check out this article in the Times...

I'm not saying we don't need to conserve water or we're not in a drought, we do and we are, but as usual, Lois' letter is nonsensical.

OldReliable: Posted: July 31, 2014 12:04 p.m.

Thank you Editor for providing a reality check to Lois...

philellis: Posted: July 31, 2014 12:09 p.m.

Dare I say it? . . .

17trillion: Posted: July 31, 2014 12:30 p.m.

BINGO! I beat ya to it Phil!

EgbertSouse4U: Posted: July 31, 2014 1:09 p.m.

Not only is sidewalk runoff a waste, but that water makes the crosswalks slick. Those distracted teenagers on their cellphones will slip and fall, preventing any motorists from making a crucial right turn, regardless of the "no right turn on red" signs.


tech: Posted: July 31, 2014 2:57 p.m.

Informative link, chefgirl.

projalice11: Posted: July 31, 2014 6:50 p.m.

Ironically in today's SCV Signal Thurs July 31,2104 headline reads:

"Following the water rules"

Ironically this headline corresponds to "Take it to heart and conserve water"

How ironic ***

EgbertSouse4U: Posted: July 31, 2014 7:02 p.m.

Now, that's ironic ******

dudeman1961: Posted: July 31, 2014 10:41 p.m.

Sorry, I got here first when there was more than enough water, I can afford to buy more.
Water shortage?
Blame it on the politicians that voted for sprawl. Tough luck newbies.

Nitsho: Posted: August 1, 2014 9:51 a.m.

Paying for water is consumption based and isn't an allotment. Why should I be fined for using my consumption based resource as I see fit?

If we have fuel rationing, would I be fined for going on a Sunday drive?

Maybe rather than spend billions on trains and liberal causes (immigration, unionization, hyper regulations), they look for alternative ways to increase the water supply.

Nitsho: Posted: August 1, 2014 9:52 a.m.

Bingo lady, please learn what Ironic means...

chefgirl358: Posted: August 1, 2014 10:14 a.m.

Excellent point Nitesho.

ricketzz: Posted: August 1, 2014 11:02 a.m.

Nitsho just advocated for raising the rates to encourage conservation.

Nitsho: Posted: August 1, 2014 11:21 a.m.

Nice twist crickets....but my point was counter to what you're saying. But then again, you seem to distort everything. Fining someone for using a consumption based resource is stupid. The nature of consumption based resource is you pay more for the more you use. Natural gas, fuel, milk, water etc. once you start fining for consumption, you've started down a slippery slope.

Typical liberals. Tax people for social engineering. How did that work with the soda tax in NY? Oh yea....right.

Also, if you raise rates, that will hit the poor and lord knows we can't have that right? Or would you then let them have free or reduced water rates which counters your point on conservation based taxation and then it would only hit the middle class again since the poor don't pay and the rich don't care. --edited.

17trillion: Posted: August 1, 2014 11:55 a.m.

Liberals don't care about the poor. They care about telling everyone to do what they want, or else.

chefgirl358: Posted: August 1, 2014 6:18 p.m.

Ricketzz, no he didn't, Nite made perfect sense. If I pay (let's just use fake, round numbers for simplicity) $50 a month in Tier 2 for 4,000 gallons of water, why should anyone care HOW I use it? If I want to bathe my dog on the lawn or driveway, but my neighbor wants to fill his swimming pool (because they lose 20,000 gallons per year due to evaporation alone!), and my parents wash their dishes by hand, or I'd rather wash my car, etc., who the hell cares HOW I use my water that is at a certain tier or price point? The point is, I'm paying a specific rate that has nothing to do with a specific amount. Nite is right, it IS stupid to fine people on a consumption based resource.

And we should be spending money on things like desalinization plants instead of a stupid train and lib agendas.

ricketzz: Posted: August 2, 2014 10:47 a.m.

Taxing an unwanted behavior is a tradition older than the USA (which was founded by Liberals, like Jesus). Oddly, we still give tax money to oil companies because their inventories are "finite". We are all messed up.

The carbon tax has 2 functions. Raise awareness and discourage consumption.

You do not have the right to waste finite resources, especially when there is not enough for everybody now. Use what you need and stop coal rolling.

Nitsho: Posted: August 2, 2014 11:00 a.m. argued for...and then against my point.

You mention carbon tax in which one pays for consumption. If I want to coal roll...I can as long as I pay for it.

If water is a finite resource, which it actually isn't, then why is it consumption based and not an allotment?

ricketzz: Posted: August 3, 2014 10:41 a.m.

You can't allot something you don't have. If you want to be a pig you are free to do so, at least until a wolf shows up with a court order. Thinking like Rush Limbaugh is not a winning strategy unless you are a 64 year old deaf marshmallow.

Nitsho: Posted: August 3, 2014 1:07 p.m.

Cricketzz...we live in a desert. We've been importing water since the 20's. We live in a climate with La Niña (dry periods which we are in now and have had a lot of in the past and El Niño (wet periods) which is shaping up to be this winter.

Stop the doom and gloom, shy is falling, oh my god we're all gonna die, al gore crazy. Do some research and look at the climate patterns for so cal. It's normal.

And spending billions on a temp issue is stupid. Look at Pete Wilson in the energy crunch back in 2003. Long term hi rate contracts because of a knee jerk reaction.

chefgirl358: Posted: August 3, 2014 2:55 p.m.

Nite, yep exactly.

Allan_Cameron: Posted: August 4, 2014 6:35 a.m.

Just last fall, "our" Sanitation District was advocating that "we" give away millions of gallons of our ground water PER DAY, FOR FREE, to downstream water users.

This was to address the so called "chloride problem".

When asked how to make up for the loss of all this groundwater, "our" Sanitation District said "buy more from Castaic Lake Water Agency".

That is a problem on at least two fronts. One, CLWA water is 500 percent more costly then ground water. Two, water from CLWA is down 95 percent because of the drought.

Make no mistake, the folks downstream are still trying to take our water.

ricketzz: Posted: August 4, 2014 11:31 a.m.

CLWA claims "banked water" in some aquifer to the East. I am skeptical that there is a physical body of water they have exclusive claim to. I say the aquifer will be depleted by farmers and oil drillers. A fracked well produces for 2 years if they are lucky. They do crappy cement jobs or they lose money. Dirty little secret. A frack uses a million gallons of un-recoverable water.

chefgirl358: Posted: August 4, 2014 12:19 p.m.

Fracking also contaminates ground water, it should be heavily regulated and restricted if not banned outright.

tech: Posted: August 5, 2014 12:39 a.m.

"They do crappy cement jobs or they lose money. " - ricketzz

Source? That's akin to asserting leaking oil pipelines create an economic advantage.

hopeful: Posted: August 5, 2014 12:48 a.m.

Last Friday, I witnessed Waste Management power washing the street. There was person driving a truck, with a person walking behind the truck (carrying a huge water container) power washing my home's side of the about a stupid waste of water!

Thankfully, when we called the City of Santa Clarita, the City seemed to respond because a few minutes later, we saw the truck leaving our neighborhood, but wow, it is hard to imagine how anyone could think that was a good use of water!

If anyone of us even dares to wash down our driveways or sidewalks, aren't we being threatened with fines? Is it any wonder why the people don't trust government contractors when they don't have to follow the rules like the rest of us?

ricketzz: Posted: August 5, 2014 10:15 a.m.

Here's one of an infinite number of articles. Until they folded I was an The Oil Drum daily reader. In Houston almost everything is about oil. You have oil people in your circle of friends. You hear things. Herbert Herbert Bush lives there. That's where Junior hid out from the National Guard. We called out the cops for murdering brown and black people for no apparent reason and we won an award and got a few thousand each when NPR ran the show. Our station is very famous as it was dynamited off the air twice in 1970, the only known USA broadcast outlet violently removed from the air because of what we were saying.

Anyway, here are the running dog capitalist swine from Forbes on how the drillers make money.

tech: Posted: August 6, 2014 12:01 a.m.

Nothing in that Forbes article supported your assertion, ricketzz. Serial exaggeration and hyperbole have irreparably damaged your credibility.

ricketzz: Posted: August 7, 2014 9:42 a.m.

Here's an article from a trade publication. It is followed by a handful of comments. Thank-you.

Nitsho: Posted: August 7, 2014 11:22 a.m.

Who wants to tell the "Pro-Pot" people to cut their water stealing?

tech: Posted: August 7, 2014 6:45 p.m.

From TFA, ricketzz:

End of Life: When a well reaches the end of its useful life, cement plugs are placed in the borehole to prevent migration of fluids between the different formations. Dry wells are plugged in such a way as to confine oil, gas, and water in the strata in which they are found and prevent them from escaping into other strata. Cement is required to be circulated through tubing or drill pipe across producing formations. There are highly specific plugging requirements to protect usable quality water from pollution and to isolate each productive horizon.

The caveat to ensuring a long-term, environmentally safe well after abandonment is dependent on the experience level of the contractors, adherence to best management practices, sophistication of the regulatory agencies and degree of oversight. These vary state-by-state.

In particular, the State of Texas has one of the most mature and sophisticated regulatory agencies in the U.S. Texas’ Railroad Commission (RRC), which has oversight responsibility, was established in 1891 to regulate the rail industry. Over its 118 year, the RRC has expanded to encompass many different industries, particularly the oil, natural gas, and coal mining industries. In its regulatory role, the RRC has environmental and safety responsibilities related to oil and gas production. An overarching agency goal is to encourage the responsible development of natural resources while protecting the environment.

The answer to the question lies in the fact that modern shale gas development is technologically driven and must be treated as such. There is a significant knowledge base to ensure development, production, and abandonment are done right. Sixty plus years of experience tells us, shale gas can be safely managed and controlled. Done right it is a very low risk proposition, now and for the future.

tech: Posted: August 7, 2014 6:46 p.m.

"They do crappy cement jobs or they lose money." - ricketzz

False and you've provided nothing to support your absurd assertion.

ricketzz: Posted: August 8, 2014 10:46 a.m.

"The caveat to ensuring a long-term, environmentally safe well after abandonment is dependent on the experience level of the contractors, adherence to best management practices, sophistication of the regulatory agencies and degree of oversight. These vary state-by-state."

How much money do the various states spend inspecting drilling operations? Next to nothing. Sure Texas does, because they know if they don't the drillers will cut corners and people will die.

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