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Posted: June 19, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: June 19, 2014 2:00 a.m.
 

Regarding the controversial release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, below are some of the responses of President Obama to this issue:

“I will keep doing whatever I can without Congress to help to bring a United States solider home safe and sound.”

Yeah!

“I’ll do whatever it takes.” Yeah!

“Regardless of the circumstances, whatever those circumstances may turn out to be, we still get an American soldier back if he’s held in captivity.” Yeah!

“Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.”

 

Comments

Nitesho: Posted: June 19, 2014 11:46 a.m.

What about the Marine in the Mexican prison for accidentally crossing the border?

Does that not fit the “Regardless of the circumstances, whatever those circumstances may turn out to be, we still get an American soldier back if he’s held in captivity.” narrative?


chefgirl358: Posted: June 19, 2014 11:51 a.m.

What about the 5 terrorists he released so we could get this loser DESERTER and taliban sympathizer (not POW)back? I still say we should've shipped his parents and Jane Fonda over there and given them to the "captors" as well. They can have all of them.


therightstuff: Posted: June 19, 2014 11:51 a.m.

"""below are some of the responses of President Obama to this issue:"""

Uhhhh....I had to negotiate with terrorists without congress because his health was so bad....

Uhhhh....I had to negotiate with terrorists without congress because we thought he'd be killed...

Uhhhh....I'll leave no soldier behind (unless he's a Marine in Mexico or they're in Benghazi and I've got a campaign stop in Vegas)

Uhhhh....ask Chuck Hagel. It was HIS idea.

You're only damned if you continue to believe the pathological liar who currently occupies the White House. Geez...next he'll be telling us that we can keep our health insurance...end of story...I guarantee it...period!


Nitesho: Posted: June 19, 2014 12:11 p.m.

TRS and Chefgirl358

BINGO! BINGO! BINGO!


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: June 19, 2014 4:14 p.m.

Nitesho, TRS, Chefgirl.


BINGO

BINGO! BINGO! BINGO! and I raise you one more..... BINGO!!!


AlwaysRight: Posted: June 19, 2014 4:40 p.m.

There are 2 American citizen children sitting in a Sudanese jail awaiting the flogging and hanging of their mother.

Lois- who is more valuable? These two kids or the deserter soldier?


stevehw: Posted: June 19, 2014 8:34 p.m.

There are Americans in foreign jails all over the world. Why, I remember when the right wing/Republican party/tea party/Bush/Cheney/etc. made a huge deal about...

oh, wait...never mind.


therightstuff: Posted: June 19, 2014 11:44 p.m.

Glad you came to your senses about making an unfounded and irrelevant point, Steve.


ricketzz: Posted: June 20, 2014 10:37 a.m.

The Taliban never threatened the USA. They have historically been our friends.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a0701muttawakil#a0701muttawakil


OldReliable: Posted: June 20, 2014 11:25 a.m.

TRS.... brilliant comments! Now, lets get Bergdahl to a court martial.


therightstuff: Posted: June 21, 2014 11:51 a.m.

OR, have you noticed how the process has drug out so slowly for Bergdahl? If this corrupt administration thought they had credible information that would clear his name to support Obama's decision, it would be hitting the airwaves in record time. But Obama and his minions know they've screwed up royally so they're going to keep information from getting out as long as they can. (Think Benghazi) That's how these thugs operate.


tech: Posted: June 21, 2014 12:22 p.m.

That MO is working so well in the IRS scandal, eh?

11/4/14®


therightstuff: Posted: June 21, 2014 9:05 p.m.

The IRS scandal is now on steroids. What an amazing coincidence that all of the potentially incriminating emails between Lois Lerner and other agencies during the exact time frame she was targeting groups opposed to Barack Obama...were lost in a computer crash.

Keep in mind, the IRS promised a few months ago they would deliver these emails to Congress. They didn't know THEN about the computer crash when they made that promise?

Meanwhile, an Obama ***donor*** is put in charge of the investigation, the Attorney General is busy going after the Boy Scouts, and Barack Obama insists "there is not one smidgen of corruption at the IRS" which appears to be a satisfactory explanation to the mainstream media and the Democratic Party.

Oh, for a real journalist or a principled Democrat who would go after the truth on behalf of the American people.


ricketzz: Posted: June 23, 2014 11:24 a.m.

This IRS scandal nonsense is the radical right trying to kill the IRS. No one was prevented from exercising their rights. Some people see Citizens United as proof the Supreme Court is at least as corrupt as any Federal agency and that brakes needed to be put on the glut of soft money, regardless of its source. One of those people appears to be Ms Lerner. There may have been some criterion bias in selecting what to look for in the names of new non-profits; but this thing is too sloppy to be a real "operation" of some kind. Republicans always assume everyone is as criminally minded as they are. They do not do well in "good faith" environments. They think that because it is possible to lie and get Food Stamps that everyone must be doing it, 'cause that's what they'd do.


tech: Posted: June 23, 2014 1:51 p.m.

Findings

• The President’s political rhetoric in opposition to the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision and conservative nonprofits engaged in political speech led to the Internal Revenue Service’s targeting of tax-exempt applicants.

• Beginning in January 2010 and continuing through the November 2010 midterm election, President Obama orchestrated a sustained public campaign against Citizens United and nonprofit political speech critical of the President’s policies. This rhetorical campaign reached a crescendo in October 2010 as the President made almost daily public statements denouncing Citizens United and conservative groups with “benign-sounding” names “posing” as nonprofits. The President even singled out one so-called “shadowy” group, Americans for Prosperity, by name.

• The White House and congressional Democrats opposed Citizens United in part because it allowed nonprofits to engage directly in political speech critical of the Administration’s policies. The anonymity afforded to nonprofit contributors prevented the Administration and its allies from retaliating. As the President complained to a group of Democratic donors: “Nobody knows who they are. . . . [N]obody knows where the money is coming from.”

• Senior White House officials, Democratic Members of Congress, and other left-wing political figures and commentators echoed the President’s rhetoric. The Democrat-led Congress convened hearings to examine Citizens United and considered legislation to require disclosure of contributors to nonprofits engaged in political speech. The White House and left-leaning commentators supported these measures.

• Democratic Members of Congress, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and liberal advocacy organizations urged the IRS to investigate conservative nonprofits engaged in political speech.

• The IRS was acutely aware through articles in the national news media of the prevailing political rhetoric condemning Citizens United and the influence of nonprofits in the midterm election. One senior IRS official even cited the President’s “salvo” against Citizens United in telling her colleagues to expect continued media attention surrounding the issue of anonymous contributors to nonprofits engaged in political speech.

• The IRS internalized the political pressure urging the tax agency to take action on nonprofit political speech. In response to a news article about the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s complaint against Americans for Prosperity, Lois Lerner wrote to her boss: “We won’t be able to stay out of this – we need a plan!” Lerner later initiated a project to examine 501(c)(4) political speech in response to an article in a tax-law journal.

• The IRS was attuned to political pressure exerted by congressional Democrats to address the shortcomings of Citizens United. Lerner expressed her support for the DISCLOSE Act’s donor disclosure requirements for nonprofits, writing: “Wouldn’t that be great?”


tech: Posted: June 23, 2014 1:51 p.m.


• As Democratic Members of Congress urged the IRS to investigate a conservative group, Crossroads GPS, Lerner asked a subordinate to look at the group. Echoing themes from the President’s rhetorical campaign and acknowledging the media attention on nonprofit political speech, Lerner wrote: “The organization at issue is Crossroads GPS, which is on the top of the list of c4 spenders in the last two elections. It is in the news regularly as an organization that is not really a c4, rather it is only doing political activity – taking in money from large contributors who wish to remain anonymous and funneling it into tight electoral races.”

• During a speech on October 19, 2010 – in the midst of the President’s rhetorical barrage – Lerner articulated the immense political pressure on the IRS to “fix the problem” posed by Citizens United. Echoing the President’s State of the Union Address, Lerner said that the Supreme Court overturned a hundred-year precedent and “everyone is up in arms because they don’t like it.” She continued: “So everybody is screaming at us right now: ‘Fix it now before the election. Can’t you see how much these people are spending?’”

• Lerner’s concern about the Citizens United decision caused her to order Tea Party applications to proceed through an unprecedented multi-tier review. As she wrote: “Tea Party Matter very dangerous. This could be the vehicle to go to court on the issue of whether Citizen’s [sic] United overturning ban on corporate spending applies to tax exempt rule.”

• The Justice Department arranged a meeting with Lerner on October 8, 2010, after Jack Smith, Chief of the Department’s Public Integrity Section, read an article in the New York Times about the influence of nonprofits in the midterm election. The IRS sent 21 disks containing 1.1 million pages of nonprofit tax-return information – including confidential taxpayer information – to the FBI in advance of this meeting. The Justice Department and the FBI have continued a “dialogue” about potential criminal investigations of nonprofits engaged in political speech.

• The IRS enjoyed a close and mutually beneficial relationship with congressional Democrats. The IRS received tips from Democratic sources about upcoming actions concerning nonprofit political speech, and the IRS even assisted Senator Carl Levin (D- MI) in preparing letters to the agency criticizing nonprofit political speech.

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/How-Politics-Led-to-the-IRS-Targeting-Staff-Report-6.16.14.pdf


therightstuff: Posted: June 23, 2014 10:56 p.m.

"""This IRS scandal nonsense is the radical right trying to kill the IRS."""

Just a few weeks after Congress ordered the emails, Lois Lerner's computer crashed - wiping out all of the emails in question. The company the IRS hired to back up the emails also had their computers mysteriously crash, wiping out all the back-up emails.

This is "radical right wing nonsense"?


ricketzz: Posted: June 24, 2014 9:41 a.m.

In August 2011? The crash is well documented, apparently. What crime is alleged in the "IRS Scandal"? What legislation is being proposed? Why is the Congress doing this? They want to kill the IRS; nothing to do with anything else.


Indy: Posted: June 24, 2014 3:41 p.m.

chefgirl358 wrote: What about the 5 terrorists he released so we could get this loser DESERTER and taliban sympathizer (not POW)back? I still say we should've shipped his parents and Jane Fonda over there and given them to the "captors" as well. They can have all of them.

Indy: Can you link me to where you got this ‘information’ on this soldier?

Has the military already convened a hearing?

Or are you just reciting the tried and true conservative ideology where ‘innuendo and speculation’ are more important that an American’s freedom not be tried in the court of conservative opinion without any substantiation other than hearsay and thus depriving the soldier of his freedom?

How is it that conservatives that cry all about ‘security’ are willing to treat somebody like they're in a third world dictatorship?

Is that the type of nation you’re advocating for us here in the US? Should looks that way . . .


Indy: Posted: June 24, 2014 3:47 p.m.


Therightstuff wrote: You're only damned if you continue to believe the pathological liar who currently occupies the White House. Geez...next he'll be telling us that we can keep our health insurance...end of story...I guarantee it...period!

Indy: I can understand your utter hatred for Obama since you’ve demonstrated that here countless times and are doing it again with your ‘innuendo and speculation’ based nonsense from Fox et al . . .

I’m sure, however, the 8+ million people that signed up for the ACA through the exchanges has really put a crimp in your ideology since these folks aren’t concerned at all about your criticism.

In any event, I know you like to feed the ‘hatred’ here for Obama to your fellow religious conservative brethren that elected Bush W that got us into two needless wars and weakened our national security.

This has crippled our opportunity to be a more effective player on the world political front while reducing the freedoms of the nation’s suffering from our failures . . . including the people in Iraq that are now paying for our adventurism and refusal to accept the UN inspectors findings that THERE WERE NO WMDs IN IRAQ.

You putting a guarantee on anything is disrespecting the people that created the definition in the dictionary.


Indy: Posted: June 24, 2014 4:01 p.m.

What Tech missed in his recital of Issa’s committee are really the most important issues with the IRS.

Why, for example, has the same House congress not revised the rules of 501C4s to make it possible to prosecute that entities that are disguising their political objectives by abusing this type of charitable organizational structure?

And why does do republicans in congress not properly fund the IRS that would allow them the additional staff to review ‘all’ applications appropriately?

In any event, we know the lobbyist funding of our elections is distorting our political discourse and making the action of governance almost impossible as every vote is ‘strict party line’ as if one side had the answers which is obviously not the case.

As for Citizens United, we got the absolute worst decision in perhaps the history of the SCOTUS that is supposedly there to protect our freedom and democracy, insure our opportunity that our elections are fair and don’t jeopardize the security of the nation.

In any event, the poster makes little reference to the GOP activities that parallel the democrats as if they are ‘free’ of the political malfeasance that now threatens the freedom of Americans to vote (think voter suppression), denying minorities the opportunity to be properly represented (think gerrymandering), and dismissing the security of the public by threatening the insolvency of our government (think government shut down).

These are the items that Issa can neither grasp or understand and thus his ‘report’ is little more than an ideology based statement that is further proof of the disaster that has become partisan politics.


Indy: Posted: June 24, 2014 4:03 p.m.

Ricketzz wrote: This IRS scandal nonsense is the radical right trying to kill the IRS. No one was prevented from exercising their rights. Some people see Citizens United as proof the Supreme Court is at least as corrupt as any Federal agency and that brakes needed to be put on the glut of soft money, regardless of its source. One of those people appears to be Ms Lerner. There may have been some criterion bias in selecting what to look for in the names of new non-profits; but this thing is too sloppy to be a real "operation" of some kind. Republicans always assume everyone is as criminally minded as they are. They do not do well in "good faith" environments. They think that because it is possible to lie and get Food Stamps that everyone must be doing it, 'cause that's what they'd do.

Indy: Word.


17trillion: Posted: June 24, 2014 4:34 p.m.

Black Knight, can we get a lesson in simple chemistry?


tech: Posted: June 24, 2014 5:53 p.m.

Absent a malware attack, please advise statistically how 7 IRS hard drives fail simultaneously and are destroyed. Extra credit: Explain the Sonasoft service contract cancellation in the "data loss" window.

No doubt your extensive IT experience will assist in the formulation of your response, Indy.

Regarding an "operation", see above, ricketzz.

Gentlemen: Your audience awaits. Entertain us!


EgbertSouse4U: Posted: June 24, 2014 6:17 p.m.

"Absent a malware attack, please advise statistically how 7 IRS hard drives fail simultaneously and are destroyed."

yup.... and my politics don't exactly align with a lot of the right-wingers on this thread, but c'mon now. This is absolute horsecrap and smacks of the accidental erasing of the Watergate tapes way back in the day. Destruction of evidence and a pathetic attempt at a coverup.


tech: Posted: June 24, 2014 6:38 p.m.

No worries, ES4U. All will be revealed as the curtain rises at the Theater of the Absurd. I'm on the edge of my seat!


therightstuff: Posted: June 24, 2014 9:51 p.m.

Indy: """I can understand your utter hatred for Obama"""

Word.



More Indy: """the 8+ million people that signed up for the ACA through the exchanges"""

Can you link us to a verification of this number?



No wait...more Indy: """I know you like to feed the ‘hatred’ here for Obama"""

Hmmmm...let's consider the facts:

Lie of the Year on Obamacare
Arbitrarily changing the worst parts of his own law
Deliberately lying about a terrorist attack in Benghazi
Lying about his "Red Line" with Syria and chemical weapons
Negotiating with terrorists and lying to cover it up
Appointing a political donor to investigate the IRS scandal
On track to 'DOUBLE' the national debt since Bush
Completely over his head with Iraq falling apart
Unable to govern the country through a stalled economy

And Indy's defense....duuuuuhhh....you just hate Obama! What a wh0re.



aarrrggghhh...more Indy: """"You putting a guarantee on anything is disrespecting the people that created the definition in the dictionary."""

Uh...is there a point here?



Poor hapless Indy. I'm embarrassed FOR him.








therightstuff: Posted: June 24, 2014 9:59 p.m.

Tech: """Absent a malware attack, please advise statistically how 7 IRS hard drives fail simultaneously and are destroyed. Extra credit: Explain the Sonasoft service contract cancellation in the "data loss" window."""

Democrat wh0res will dismiss these facts as nothing more than "conspiracy and innuendo" from Fox News. Normal people are growing increasingly concerned about these incredible events. How long can Obama and his minions keep juggling all the scandal balls in the air before it all comes down?


ricketzz: Posted: June 25, 2014 9:33 a.m.

Is there a crime alleged? Is legislation being proposed? What is the purpose of the Inquisition?


philellis: Posted: June 25, 2014 11:15 a.m.

Perhaps to determine the nature of the crime?


tech: Posted: June 25, 2014 1:09 p.m.

It's an investigation into the politicization of Federal agencies and subsequent violation of law, ricketzz. Congress is exercising oversight, a Constitutional role.

Unauthorized disclosure of confidential tax information is a felony offense that can result in five years in prison. The IRS has already admitted wrongdoing in one case and there are other open lines of inquiry.

http://dailysignal.com/2014/06/24/irs-admits-wrongdoing-pay-50000-leaking-marriage-groups-tax-return/

Keep entertaining us and I'll provide more as required. :-D


Indy: Posted: June 25, 2014 11:22 p.m.

Tech wrote: Absent a malware attack, please advise statistically how 7 IRS hard drives fail simultaneously and are destroyed. Extra credit: Explain the Sonasoft service contract cancellation in the "data loss" window.

Indy: Perhaps the poster can explain why republicans keep cutting the IRS budget.

Want updated computers? There are not free . . .

You can create ‘innuendo and speculation’ but cutting costs when not inappropriate leaves bad outcomes.

Anyone who understands management would understand that statement.

Sadly, funding government is done by beliefs, ideology, and conflicting goals (cutting taxes when not appropriate for expanding demands) is why incidents like this occur.

In any event, let’s get back to basics:

- Why haven’t republicans updated the 501C4s rules to make determination of ‘front organizations’ trying to hide donor identities?
- Why do republicans not grasp that cutting the IRS budgets cuts staffing?


tech: Posted: June 26, 2014 12:40 a.m.

LOL! Entertaining indeed! You're like a trained seal act, Indy. Whenever government malfeasance and incompetence are exposed, you bark "Funding!"

Let us know when you can answer the questions I asked.


ricketzz: Posted: June 26, 2014 9:46 a.m.

What crime is alleged? Is this all just a scheme to sell software and cloud services? Is Issa getting a kickback?


tech: Posted: June 26, 2014 1:13 p.m.

I'll ignore your entertaining hyperbole and answer the only legitimate question.

Disparate treatment before the law, unauthorized disclosure of tax information, spoliation of evidence subject to subpoena and failure to report data loss to the U.S. Archivist, ricketzz.

Going forward, do your own research before declaring legal processes invalid.


ricketzz: Posted: July 7, 2014 9:19 a.m.

I believe Title 18 is the criminal code.


ricketzz: Posted: July 17, 2014 10:51 a.m.

Hatch Act, Public Records Act. Whoopdeedo. The sad fact is that fdisk-ing a drive is the perfect way to cover something up. The Bush White House used this technique often. The NSA has logged every keystroke, subpoena them.



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