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Bergdahl’s a deserter

Posted: June 15, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: June 15, 2014 2:00 a.m.
 

In his column today (June 10) entitled “Charlie Vignola: G.O.P. smears P.O.W.”, Vignola launches into his usual anti-conservative anti-GOP invective, this time over the Bergdahl affair. It’s just more of Vignola’s signature ranting.
“American P.O.W.”?

How about “American deserter”?
If a soldier’s missing from his post, wasn’t captured in action, left a letter behind saying he was leaving, did so in a combat zone...... Well, he’s a damned deserter!

“... until we conduct a thorough investigation it would be living up to America’s noblest principles to give this P.O.W. the benefit of a doubt.”

Yeah, in order for society to impose a penalty, the “due process” of law must be rightfully observed. But that DOESN’T mean we should suspend our own powers of critical thinking in the meantime.

If I’m doing the speed limit on the freeway and someone zips past me at 30 MPH faster than I’m already doing, I think I can safely say he’s speeding, whether he ever gets a ticket for it or not.

Hey, Vignola, do you think OJ Simpson’s not a murderer?

He was never convicted of murder. But Ron and Nicole are still very dead, and SOMEONE did that.

Even MSNBC’s Chris Matthews had a meltdown over Obama’s reclaiming the deserter: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnIHOUNFbr4&feature=player_embedded)

Whoa! If Obama’s even lost Matthews, Obama’s biggest media sycophant, what’s next? They going to be handing out snowshoes in Hell?

 

Comments

ronos: Posted: June 15, 2014 8:26 a.m.

OJ Simpson ? Chris Matthews ? Snowshoes in Hell ? Who Is Ranting Now ?


BrianBaker: Posted: June 15, 2014 8:43 a.m.

Yeah, you're right.

Facts to a leftist are a "rant".


therightstuff: Posted: June 15, 2014 9:00 a.m.

I noticed Vignola referred to Bergdahl as a P.O.W. and yet the Pentagon never referred to Bergdahl as a P.O.W. Vignola also said that Bill O'Reilly said Berdahl's father looked like a Taliban. He said he looked like a Muslim.

When the far-left ideologues try to build a case to destroy anyone who questions their leader, truth is irrelevant.

"What difference does it make!" Hillary Clinton


hepnerkid: Posted: June 15, 2014 9:01 a.m.

You nailed it. As always, you are writing facts that liberals find uncomfortable. The truth seems always to make them squirm and that can't be an accident. Fools abound and where their theories come from, one can only guess but I would venture that it wasn't from long hours studying history or logic or philosophy.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 15, 2014 9:25 a.m.

Thanks, hepner.

I think logic and liberalism are mutually exclusive qualities. Something like being oxymoronic; cognitively dissonant.

If one exercises actual logic, I don't see how it's at all possible to embrace today's version of "American liberalism", which is actually collectivist in nature, more akin to Marxism.

You also have to completely ignore history and precedent, which almost invariably prove that its tenets never actually work in real life.


chefgirl358: Posted: June 15, 2014 3:48 p.m.

Nice letter Brian, totally agree.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 15, 2014 4:02 p.m.

Thanks, chefgirl, as always.


Indy: Posted: June 15, 2014 5:58 p.m.

Baker wrote: Yeah, in order for society to impose a penalty, the “due process” of law must be rightfully observed. But that DOESN’T mean we should suspend our own powers of critical thinking in the meantime.

Indy: Notice the writer provides no substantiation for his ‘innuendo and speculation’ (think Fox) about this soldier.

Sadly, the writer babbles on about his own insecurities and seems to fall right in line with the conservative pundits over the ‘exchange’ for this prisoner for 5 detainees from Guantánamo.

And we already know that Bush W released over 500 prisoners.

Additionally, we know as well that Israel has ‘exchanged’ prisoners with groups they call ‘terrorist’ . . . yet this LTE writer IGNORES that . . . why?

In any event, how sad and pathetic it is that partisan conservatives are willing to character assassinate an American soldier in the ‘media’ to gain some political points against Obama . . .

If there’s more to the background of this soldier, it should be done in a ‘due process’ manner.

And if you want some facts about this detainee center: http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/resource/guantanamo-numbers


BrianBaker: Posted: June 15, 2014 6:25 p.m.

Wanna actually address what I wrote, Mr. Irrelevant?

As I mentioned before, when you raised this same inane babble, I was in the Army l-o-o-o-o-ng before "Fox" ever existed. I know that's hard for you to understand, what with you being a spokeshole for HuffPo and Move On and all, but there ARE actually some people who have opinions that AREN'T shaped by the media they're exposed to.

That would NOT include you, of course.


Now... you want to accuse me of being "willing to character assassinate an American soldier", which I've based on my own personal experience as a combat vet.




What do YOU base your assessment on? You've already admitted that you have ZERO military experience.

So....... watcha got, other than a bunch of focus-group-tested talking points coming out of your lamestream media?


Hmmmmmmmm...?


therightstuff: Posted: June 16, 2014 9:03 p.m.

Indy: """Notice the writer provides no substantiation for his ‘innuendo and speculation’ (think Fox) about this soldier."""

No, we didn't notice that. Here's what the rest of us read from the writer as substantiation.

"""If a soldier’s missing from his post, wasn’t captured in action, left a letter behind saying he was leaving, did so in a combat zone...... Well, he’s a damned deserter!"""

For normal people, that's pretty compelling. For Obama wh0res, they'd rather talk about Fox or when Bush was president six years ago than deal with what their leader did just last week.

By the way, with an international crises in Iraq boiling over, what does Obama do? Play golf, do a fund raiser, and give a speech about global warming. Clueless doesn't even begin to describe this guy.


stevehw: Posted: June 16, 2014 9:53 p.m.

Hey, did you guys know that Baker was a combat vet? That makes his opinion on anything much more important and accurate and correct than anyone else's.

He touts his veteran status almost as much as McCain did during his campaign! LOL!


BrianBaker: Posted: June 16, 2014 10:04 p.m.

Ooooooh, stevie. I am absolutely CRUSHED!


Tell ya what, stevie-boy. It sure makes my opinion on military matters "much more important and accurate and correct" than yours, or any other non-vet's.

Whatcha think of that, kid?


ricketzz: Posted: June 16, 2014 7:19 a.m.

There're a number of stories, some with a letter, some without. The Taliban says they caught him relieving himself in a single use latrine.

What is happening in Iraq is what President Bush and Vice President Cheney set in motion 11 years ago. Once we overthrew the Baathists our fate was sealed. Now the formerly secular brutes have joined forces with the most rigid jihadists to avenge Saddam and once again rule Iraq by sheer brutal terror. Way to go guys. At least before shock and awe there were tourist attractions..


therightstuff: Posted: June 16, 2014 9:34 a.m.

ricketzz is right. No one should criticize Obama's actions of last week. We should focus on what Bush and Cheney did 11 years ago.


17trillion: Posted: June 16, 2014 9:46 a.m.

Well done as usual Brian. I think I should author a letter saying how great you are like someone did for Lois.

Hey Steve, I'm not a vet and I agree with everything he said. We shouldn't leave him behind but we shouldn't have paid such a steep price for a this cowardly POS nor should we hail him as some kind of a hero. Worst of all, our dipstick president should avoid doing touchdown dances whenever possible. Does this guy have any advisors with an IQ above 80?


stevehw: Posted: June 16, 2014 1:25 p.m.

Agree or disagree, that's not my point.

My point was Baker, like McCain, trots out his military service to use it like a club against anyone who has a different opinion from him on pretty much anything.

*I* am a vet, therefore what *I* say is right, and you can't DARE disagree with ME, a VET.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 16, 2014 2:34 p.m.

Thanks, 17trill. That would be a hoot!



Stevie-boy, you should quit acting foolish. Or stop lying. Whatever. The only time I talk about being a vet is when it's directly applicable to the topic at hand.

Oh, wait.... are you being "bullied" again? Is this you trotting out your old victim card yet again?


17trillion: Posted: June 16, 2014 2:43 p.m.

Fair enough Steve. I personally don't give any additional weight to Baker's thoughts because he was in the military but I can see where some might. On the other hand, I've yet to see you lambaste the Black Knight for his claim to know EVERYTHING based upon his MBA from Northridge. It's one thing to speak about the military based upon your experience in the military, but what about the guy who purports to speak intelligently about every facet of life based upon a MBA from a 2nd rate college? I say this admitting I'm a guy that dropped out of a 3rd rate college who think he knows a 100 times more about everything than the Black Knight.


Indy: Posted: June 16, 2014 4:32 p.m.

BrianBaker wrote: Wanna actually address what I wrote, Mr. Irrelevant?

Indy: Wow . . . you’re clever!

BrianBaker wrote: As I mentioned before, when you raised this same inane babble, I was in the Army l-o-o-o-o-ng before "Fox" ever existed. I know that's hard for you to understand, what with you being a spokeshole for HuffPo and Move On and all, but there ARE actually some people who have opinions that AREN'T shaped by the media they're exposed to.

Indy: You babble on about this or that organization but that’s the same old nonsense that we expect from Fox followers . . .

And prior military experience doesn’t give you the right to character assassination a fellow soldier . . . made worse by all the innuendo and speculation nonsense propagated by a ‘non-news’ source like Fox.

BrianBaker wrote: What do YOU base your assessment on? You've already admitted that you have ZERO military experience.

Indy: Yes, you assume like other conservatives that you need military experience to ‘judge’ a soldier.

Well, pal, let’s let the ‘military’ render judgment not a outspoken conservative that is so biased as to render himself unfit for judging anyone . . .

BrianBaker wrote: So....... watcha got, other than a bunch of focus-group-tested talking points coming out of your lamestream media? Hmmmmmmmm...?

Indy: Yes, I feel your pain . . . but at least your fellow conservative brethren here believe you . . . but anyone with a rational and fair approach will discount you.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 16, 2014 4:38 p.m.

"And prior military experience doesn’t give you the right to character assassination a fellow soldier . . . made worse by all the innuendo and speculation nonsense propagated by a ‘non-news’ source like Fox."


Hahahahaha!

Says the guy who "character assassinated" all the other guys in Bergdahl's outfit, from the comfy of his chair, without ever having spent a day in the field, with zero experience at all.


Bubba, go peddle your "Fox" bullpuckey to someone who might actually give a damn what you think.


Indy: Posted: June 16, 2014 4:44 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """Notice the writer provides no substantiation for his ‘innuendo and speculation’ (think Fox) about this soldier."""

No, we didn't notice that. Here's what the rest of us read from the writer as substantiation.

Indy: The only one that can ‘believe’ Baker are conservatives like him . . .

Therightstuff wrote: """If a soldier’s missing from his post, wasn’t captured in action, left a letter behind saying he was leaving, did so in a combat zone...... Well, he’s a damned deserter!"""

For normal people, that's pretty compelling. For Obama wh0res, they'd rather talk about Fox or when Bush was president six years ago than deal with what their leader did just last week.

Indy: This solider hasn’t been tried by the military for anything . . . what we’ve got are a bunch of diehard ex-vets that want so badly to believe in the malfeasance of this solider without due process.

There is no honor in that . . . none.

Therightstuff wrote: By the way, with an international crises in Iraq boiling over, what does Obama do? Play golf, do a fund raiser, and give a speech about global warming. Clueless doesn't even begin to describe this guy.

Indy: This is where your ignorance ‘really shines’ in that like the economic issues, you see them in ‘isolation’, unable or unwilling to see the context.

Just the ‘accusation’ is enough for parroting conservatives to jump on an item . . . you’ve now entered the ‘Sean Hannity’ world of conservatism where he took a unknown ‘tax cheat’, Mr. Clive ‘Let Me Tell You About the Negro’ Bundy . . . and paraded him around like a ‘hero’ only to find out that he’s more than most conservatives thought BEFORE finding out the facts.

And let’s not forget the two assassins that joined the gathering militias at the ‘Bundy Ranch’ that then went out and ‘executed’ two police offices in ‘COLD BLOOD’ in Las Vegas . . . placing an honorable American Flag on these two killed officers who they dragged out of the locations where they shot them.

Hannity was telling his Fox watchers that the clowns protecting Bundy were ‘patriots’ when in fact, they are ‘domestic terrorist’.

In any event, Bush W and his cabinet put us in a war in Iraq without understanding any of the sectarian issues . . . and now it’s blowing up . . .


Indy: Posted: June 16, 2014 4:46 p.m.

Stevehw wrote: My point was Baker, like McCain, trots out his military service to use it like a club against anyone who has a different opinion from him on pretty much anything.

*I* am a vet, therefore what *I* say is right, and you can't DARE disagree with ME, a VET.

Indy: Yes, the Founding Fathers wanted ‘civilian’ authority over the military . . . and rightfully so.


therightstuff: Posted: June 16, 2014 6:05 p.m.

Indy: """what we’ve got are a bunch of diehard ex-vets that want so badly to believe in the malfeasance of this solider without due process."""

This strange poster insists we give Bergdahl a fair hearing but is convinced that his detractors (those who actually served with him) are nothing but a bunch of die-heard ex-vets that want so badly to believe in the malfeasance of this solider without due process. In other words, let's pre-judge his accusers but not pre-judge the guy who walked out on them.

Where's the honor in that? None. Where does this poster's hypocrisy end?


therightstuff: Posted: June 16, 2014 6:11 p.m.

TRS: """By the way, with an international crises in Iraq boiling over, what does Obama do? Play golf, do a fund raiser, and give a speech about global warming. Clueless doesn't even begin to describe this guy."""

And how does Indy respond?

Duuhhhh....you don't know economics!
Duuhhhh....Clive Bundy is a racist!
Duuhhhh....Bush got us in a war in Iraq!

Duuhhhh....

It's so sad that this guy's vote counts as much as normal people. Democrats count on it!


BrianBaker: Posted: June 16, 2014 6:40 p.m.

Yep, TRS, exactly.


"Where's the honor in that? None. Where does this poster's hypocrisy end?"


It's boundless. You hit on exactly my point. Limitless hypocrisy, and an obsession about Fox, whether or not it's germane to any topic or not, that seems to me to be beyond any rationality.

BTW, did you ever wonder what an "ex-vet" is? I have.

Does that mean you're no longer a "vet"? How does that work? Does someone hop in their Wayback Machine and go back and stop you from ever having enlisted in the first place?


CaptGene: Posted: June 16, 2014 8:12 p.m.

BB: "BTW, did you ever wonder what an "ex-vet" is? I have."

Well Brian, if you'll just detail your educational background, family history, work history and a copy of your DD-214, I'm sure The Black Knight will be happy to walk you through it!


therightstuff: Posted: June 17, 2014 9:01 p.m.

Yes, I also caught Indy's "ex-vet" idiocy. How does a veteran become an ex-vet? He probably heard it from one of the MSNBC fruitcakes and just repeated it because he thought it was real. This guy is so easy to take down.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 17, 2014 9:18 p.m.

LOL, guys!


Jeez, CG, I already had to fill out all those forms the first time around. Hated it then, hate the idea now. I think.... I'll just pass, thank you very much.


Yep, TRS, no kidding.


ptavolunteer: Posted: June 17, 2014 2:23 a.m.

This is Baker’s same argument from an earlier thread and his military service adds nothing to it. Berghdahl is not a “damned deserter” until a UCMJ proceeding makes that determination.

Baker can throw up all the straw men he wants, OJ Simpson (really?) and a speeder on the freeway.

By the way, there was an investigation by the DOD and there was no determination that Bergdahl was a deserter and the “letter [left] behind saying he was leaving”, if it even existed, was not included in that report -- unless you are a conspiracy theorist like Baker looking to stir the pot.

All Baker has is some crazy idea that “critical thinking” about OJ Simpson and someone zipping by him on the freeway (and I’m guessing that Baker drives really slow) is somehow proof of war-time desertion.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 17, 2014 6:48 a.m.

Thanks once again for adding your nonsense to the discussion, pta.

It was absurd when you wrote it on the other thread, and it's just as silly here.

BTW, you never answered the question over there, so here's another chance for you:

OJ Simpson never was convicted of murdering Ron and Nicole. So... I take it you don't think he's a murderer, right?

I'm NOT talking about the legal issue. We all know a jury acquitted him. But did he DO it?

Is he a MURDERER?


ricketzz: Posted: June 17, 2014 6:49 a.m.

And now, back to the subject:

If you really care about the swirl of stupidity attendant to the POW swap, this is the definitive work on the subject. Michael Hastings, RIP.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/americas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607


Indy: Posted: June 17, 2014 3:34 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """what we’ve got are a bunch of diehard ex-vets that want so badly to believe in the malfeasance of this solider without due process."""

This strange poster insists we give Bergdahl a fair hearing but is convinced that his detractors (those who actually served with him) are nothing but a bunch of die-heard ex-vets that want so badly to believe in the malfeasance of this solider without due process. In other words, let's pre-judge his accusers but not pre-judge the guy who walked out on them.

Indy: Sadly the poster, buried in religious conservative ideology, can’t see the reality that we don’t ‘try people’ in the media.

The military has their own methodology for holding soldiers accountable and I’m sure at some point, that will happen.

In the meantime, we don’t need posters like this to parrot the nonsense based ‘innuendo and speculation’ that is fostered by the likes of Fox . . .

In any event, I would have thought that this former vet would know that . . .

Therightstuff wrote: Where's the honor in that? None. Where does this poster's hypocrisy end?

Indy: Isn’t is frightening that conservatives that are all about the Constitution are so willing to sacrifice a soldier that hasn’t been tried or even accused by the military . . . how pathetic is that?


Indy: Posted: June 17, 2014 3:36 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: TRS: """By the way, with an international crises in Iraq boiling over, what does Obama do? Play golf, do a fund raiser, and give a speech about global warming. Clueless doesn't even begin to describe this guy."""

Indy: It’s nice that this poster has the courtesy to recite and parrot the RNC talking points that are disseminated on the ‘innuendo and speculation’ network Fox . . . but hey, did anyone expect anything else? I didn’t . . .


BrianBaker: Posted: June 17, 2014 3:49 p.m.

Wow, Indy, you really are obsessed with Fox.

"Fox" this, "Fox" that. Everything's "Fox" to you.

Dude, you're all "Foxed" up!


LOL



CaptGene: Posted: June 17, 2014 5:12 p.m.

Indy Nile is Foxed in the head!


BrianBaker: Posted: June 17, 2014 5:46 p.m.

Nyuck nyuck.


Indy: Posted: June 17, 2014 6:08 p.m.

Ptavolunteer wrote: This is Baker’s same argument from an earlier thread and his military service adds nothing to it. Berghdahl is not a “damned deserter” until a UCMJ proceeding makes that determination.

Indy: What I find interesting is Baker, a former vet, that supposedly fought to protect our nation, is now willing to allow ‘mob rule’ and judge a former soldier in the media, for partisan political reasons no less.

How sad is that?

Why go and protect our nation and simply abdicate all the legal protections our Founding Fathers died to give us?

Sadly, that poster can defend his positions other than the abusive language that again, discredits and dishonors the very folks that fought to give us a ‘nation under law’ including a ‘Bill of Rights’.

So I agree, if Bergdahl has anything to answer for, it will be done with ‘due process’ not the ramblings of former vets that would be understandable if the solider was a deserter . . . again, by ‘due process’, not being ‘tried in the media’.

For reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCMJ
“The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ, 64 Stat. 109, 10 U.S.C. Chapter 47), is the foundation of military law in the United States. It was established by the United States Congress in accordance with the authority given by the United States Constitution in Article I, Section 8, which provides that "The Congress shall have Power....To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval forces."”

“The UCMJ, the Rules of Court Martial (the military analogue to the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure), and the Military Rules of Evidence (the analogue to the Federal Rules of Evidence) have evolved since their implementation, often paralleling the development of the federal civilian criminal justice system. In some ways, the UCMJ has been ahead of changes in the civilian criminal justice system. For example, a rights-warning statement similar to the Miranda warnings (and required in more contexts than in the civilian world where it is applicable only to custodial interrogation) was required by Art. 31 (10 U.S.C. § 831) a decade and a half before the Supreme Court ruled in Miranda v. Arizona; Article 38(b) (10 U.S.C. § 838(b)), continued the 1948 Articles of War's guarantee that qualified defense counsel be provided to all accused without regard to indigence (and at earlier stages than required in civilian jurisdictions), whereas the Supreme Court only guaranteed the provision of counsel to indigents in Gideon v. Wainwright.”


BrianBaker: Posted: June 18, 2014 9:50 p.m.

Indy, there's no such thing as a "former vet".

So, putting aside for the moment your latest example of abject ignorance, I'll ask you the same question I asked ptavoluntgeer there, and which SHE refuses to answer... for obvious reasons.

OJ Simpson was acquitted by a jury. In the eyes of the law, he's not a murderer.

What about YOU, Indy m'man? Do YOU think OJ's a murderer? Or did Ron and Nicole saw their own heads nearly off?


ricketzz: Posted: June 18, 2014 7:23 a.m.

Read the Hastings article from 2 years ago. Everything is in it, including the prisoner swap. Hastings is the guy who brought down General McChrystal. He may have known some Benghazi stuff too, but his Mercedes accelerated into a tree and burst into flames, on an empty road, in the middle of the night, a year ago.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/08/three-weeks-later-details-about-reporter-michael-hastings-death-in-fiery-car-crash-remain-a-mystery/#

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/michael-hastings-last-magazine-james-rosen-review_b217040


therightstuff: Posted: June 18, 2014 8:57 a.m.

Indy: """It’s nice that this poster has the courtesy to recite and parrot the RNC talking points that are disseminated on the ‘innuendo and speculation’ network Fox . . ."""

Did your leader NOT play golf, did he NOT do a political fundraiser, did he NOT give a speech about global warming during an international crises or was this just 'innuendo and speculation'?

So funny how Fox News has got this poster completely psyched out.


Indy: Posted: June 18, 2014 5:46 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """It’s nice that this poster has the courtesy to recite and parrot the RNC talking points that are disseminated on the ‘innuendo and speculation’ network Fox . . ."""

Did your leader NOT play golf, did he NOT do a political fundraiser, did he NOT give a speech about global warming during an international crises or was this just 'innuendo and speculation'?

Indy: I guess the public can compare the situstion with Bush W taking an ‘extended vacation’ after being ‘warned’ about a pending attack on US soil by Bin Laden . . .

But hey, Obama ‘strikes again’ . . . while he attended an event, I think it was the media’s dinner, that night his special forces ‘found and killed Bin Laden’!!!

And now we find the same thing here, Obama has captured the ‘leader’ of the attack on the Libyan consultant!

I just don’t know if it gets any better than that!


BrianBaker: Posted: June 18, 2014 8:09 p.m.

Couldn't answer the question, could'ja Indy?


Didn't think so. Join ptavolunteer in the out box.


ricketzz: Posted: June 19, 2014 7:48 a.m.

Your personal flame wars are juvenile and counterproductive.


therightstuff: Posted: June 19, 2014 8:54 a.m.

"""I guess the public can compare the situstion with Bush W..."""

Nope, only Obama's wh0res continue to bring up Bush. Normal people want Obama to take responsibility for his own decisions.


Indy: Posted: June 19, 2014 3:25 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: """I guess the public can compare the situation with Bush W..."""

Nope, only Obama's wh0res continue to bring up Bush. Normal people want Obama to take responsibility for his own decisions.

Indy: You’ve got to give this poster credit for reciting the ‘blame Bush W’ slogan since it IGNORES the economy that the same poster ‘blamed Obama’ for the day he took office.

The poster also likes to reciting slogans that place economic indicators out of context.

But all in all, give the RNC credit for a strategy to keep their followers ignorant of basic economics and voting for republicans that are even less economically informed than the poster who doesn’t support any adjustment of the minimum wage even for inflation, is “BLAMING” the long term unemployed who are suffering from the ‘Bush W’ recession, and will cite biblical scripture to deny poor people food.

What makes this all the more painful is the poster does volunteer his time to help locals while sadly being unable to understand the conservative positions he supports that hurt millions upon millions of Americans.

That’s the true tragedy here . .


therightstuff: Posted: June 20, 2014 9:05 p.m.

Indy: """You’ve got to give this poster credit for reciting the ‘blame Bush W’ slogan since it IGNORES the economy that the same poster ‘blamed Obama’ for the day he took office."""

Indy, you've been caught in so many lies. You're a good disciple of your leader in Washington.

First, there is NO ONE who recites the 'blame Bush W' more than Indy and yet actually accuses someone else of this. Whoa, dude, check your medication.

Second, when Democratic wh0res are embarrassed by Obama, they have nothing left but to use the canard,..."duuuhhhh....you've blamed him from day one!"

Indy, don't compound your hypocrisy with more lies.


therightstuff: Posted: June 20, 2014 9:07 p.m.

More Indy: """"What makes this all the more painful is the poster does volunteer his time to help locals while sadly being unable to understand the conservative positions he supports that hurt millions upon millions of Americans."""

Hmmm...Indy's in pain....he is sad....my positions are hurting millions upon millions of Americans....it's a tragedy...

Classic liberal lunacy.


therightstuff: Posted: June 20, 2014 9:09 p.m.

"""...the poster does volunteer his time to help locals..."""

And I challenged Indy several times to join me to volunteer his time to help locals. And Indy refused every time. What a cowardly windbag!


BrianBaker: Posted: June 20, 2014 10:18 p.m.

Not only that, but he couldn't -- or more realistically WOULDN'T -- answer the simple question.

Because, of course, it would show him to be either the hypocrite he is, or incapable of applying simple common sense.

Which, incidentally, was exactly the point of my LTE.


ricketzz: Posted: June 20, 2014 7:50 a.m.

Global Warming IS an international crisis. Way worse than a millennium long religious feud. Cheney is psychotic. So is Cheney Jr (aka Liz).


therightstuff: Posted: June 20, 2014 12:37 p.m.

Once again ricketzz, no one questions your authority on things psychotic.


tech: Posted: June 21, 2014 11:13 a.m.

"Additionally, we know as well that Israel has ‘exchanged’ prisoners with groups they call ‘terrorist’ . . . yet this LTE writer IGNORES that . . . why?" - Indy

What's being ignored is that Israel arrests those that violate their terms of release. There's no reason to expect this administration will exercise similar resolve.

"The prisoners had signed a document on their release vowing to live up to a set of conditions, which they have since violated, a senior security source stated.

The former prisoners, all members of Hamas, were selected by the Shin Bet [Israel Security Agency] for arrest."

http://www.jpost.com/Pillar-of-Defense/IDF-arrests-50-former-prisoners-released-in-Schalit-deal-359716


Indy: Posted: June 21, 2014 7:09 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: """...the poster does volunteer his time to help locals..."""

And I challenged Indy several times to join me to volunteer his time to help locals. And Indy refused every time. What a cowardly windbag!

Indy: The real tragedy that you can’t face is the harm you do to millions upon millions of Americans with your economic ignorance.

You’re inability or refusal to learn anything correct about economics is not mitigated with your charity work . . . in fact it creates the need for more ‘dependency’ which goes against the conservative ideology of ‘individualism’ and being responsible for yourself.


Indy: Posted: June 21, 2014 7:12 p.m.

Tech wrote: "Additionally, we know as well that Israel has ‘exchanged’ prisoners with groups they call ‘terrorist’ . . . yet this LTE writer IGNORES that . . . why?" - Indy

What's being ignored is that Israel arrests those that violate their terms of release. There's no reason to expect this administration will exercise similar resolve.

Indy: Again, let’s get back to the topic where Israel has ‘negotiated’ with terrorist organizations by their own admission for prisoner exchanges . . . something your conservative brethren in congress can’t grasp as they recite the nonsense ‘innuendo and speculation’ (in some cases, outright lying . . .) from Fox as they berate the President.

You can ignore this but I won’t . . .


Indy: Posted: June 21, 2014 7:14 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: More Indy: """"What makes this all the more painful is the poster does volunteer his time to help locals while sadly being unable to understand the conservative positions he supports that hurt millions upon millions of Americans."""

Hmmm...Indy's in pain....he is sad....my positions are hurting millions upon millions of Americans....it's a tragedy...

Classic liberal lunacy.

Indy: I know how much this truth hurts . . . but don’t know of any other methodology to get through your religious conservative rhetoric that again, is hurting millions and millions of Americans.

Again, that’s the burden you sleep with every night of your life . . . deal with it.


Indy: Posted: June 21, 2014 7:23 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """You’ve got to give this poster credit for reciting the ‘blame Bush W’ slogan since it IGNORES the economy that the same poster ‘blamed Obama’ for the day he took office."""

Indy, you've been caught in so many lies. You're a good disciple of your leader in Washington.

Indy: You mean the projection of ‘millions and millions’ of people signing up for the ACA?

Or how about the additional millions of poor people that now have Medicaid?

Keep in mind that we’ve established long long ago that anything that doesn’t map to conservative ideology is considered by you as a ‘lie’ . . . pathetic but typical of somebody ignorant of basic economics . . .who’s nevertheless willing to harm Americans with such blind allegiance to a failing conservative ideology . . . and that’s no lie . . . that’s just you . . .

Therightstuff wrote: First, there is NO ONE who recites the 'blame Bush W' more than Indy and yet actually accuses someone else of this. Whoa, dude, check your medication.

Indy: Yes, Bush W will go down as one of the more ignorant presidents ever to sit in the White House.

He got us into two wars without even considering the ‘long term’ consequences of same . . .

He ignored the UN inspectors that said there were no WMDs in Iraq . .

He cut taxes and accelerated the financial bubbles that created an economic collapse in 2007 that millions upon millions of Americans are still suffering from.

And what do you do:

- Reject long term unemployment benefits to ‘hard working’ Americans that lost their jobs through no fault of their own . . .
- Cut food stamps to poor people citing biblical scripture
- Keep people in poverty by not adjusting the minimum wage even to inflation.

Only somebody ‘blinded’ by ideology would do such things . . .


Therightstuff wrote: Second, when Democratic wh0res are embarrassed by Obama, they have nothing left but to use the canard,..."duuuhhhh....you've blamed him from day one!"

Indy, don't compound your hypocrisy with more lies.

Indy: Yes, the ‘blame Bush W talking point that you recite endlessly here shows your inability to see the reality before you . . . I wish I could help you with that.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 22, 2014 10:05 p.m.

A whole lot of empty meaningless blabber there, Indy. As usual.


When are you going to answer the question?


ricketzz: Posted: June 23, 2014 8:30 a.m.

Bergdahl is now freely moving about in Ft. Sam Houston, seeing Doctors on an outpatient basis, readjusting to the real world in preparation for "returning to service".


BrianBaker: Posted: June 23, 2014 12:15 p.m.

Maybe "in preparation" for his court-martial...


calnca: Posted: June 23, 2014 3:20 p.m.

Indy: You mean the projection of ‘millions and millions’ of people signing up for the ACA?

Or how about the additional millions of poor people that now have Medicaid?


Only the liberal group would embrace that out of a country of 330,000,000 people they claim great things because a few million people signed up for the ACA.......IF the ACA was such a good deal and the end all of medical care for citizens of this great country then the citizens would have beat down the door to get enrolled........but that hasn't happened. If you want to see where we are headed with ACA, take a look at the quality of medical care offered us vet's through the socialized VA.....what a joke from the "we'll take care of you from the womb to the tomb" liberal populace.


ricketzz: Posted: June 24, 2014 7:02 a.m.

Of course the [not even] conservative motto of "we care from fertilization to first breath, then you're on your own!" isn't much better.

We had a pretty good run from 1945 to 1981, other than a couple oil shocks and a bottomless pit war, the economy was working better for more people than it is today. People occasionally stumble into wealth (many people who run things have never ever faced "uncertainty" on a human level) but the guaranteed path to relative prosperity was always hard work and saving. That path is gone and so is The Dream. We are a casino nation and the machines are all rigged.


ricketzz: Posted: June 25, 2014 6:41 a.m.

Am I the only one here who read Hunter Thompson? All of Hunter Thompson?



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