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An all-consuming fire

Posted: June 10, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: June 10, 2014 2:00 a.m.
 

Gary Horton’s June 4 column “Embracing a fire that still burns us today” is his most articulate column yet, and is so right on!

Our arrogant, untruthful, ill-advised intrusions into world affairs was fanned and re-ignited with our mistakes in the Middle East.

They are consuming the very fabric of our country.

Our self-serving politicians continue to feed the infernos. If you don’t see it, lift your mind out of the sand — it’s all around us.

 

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Lotus8: Posted: June 10, 2014 9:42 a.m.

Dick, let me ask you some questions. And I am honestly interested in your response. Should we stand by and let Muslim zealots the world over continue to spread their hate and violence, along with repression of women and gays, until it finally reaches our shores in a grander way than 9/11? As a world power who values the separation of church and state, do we have any duty to stand up for such belief against theocracies that utilize religion to cleanse their countries of religious minorities and keep their populations under an iron boot? Who will speak for the oppressed if not the United States?

I'm not trying to get into a conversation about whether we should have invaded Iraq or still be in Afghanistan. I really am just curious to hear from someone who obviously cares enough about this topic to write in to the paper with a viewpoint calling out the US for being arrogant and untruthful. Which humble and honest nation are you comparing us to when you make that charge? Yes, politicians are crooked. They talk out of both sides of their mouths as a rule. That has been the way of the world since man first walked upright I'm afraid. But at least we have the opportunity to vote them out, which happens on the rare occasion that the populace gets enough of a fire lit beneath it.

If we don't fight to influence the shape of global affairs, what kind of world are we leaving to our children? Shall we simply cede authority to a Chinese or Russian brand of crony communism? Or rather adopt sharia law and tell women to give up their drivers licenses and accept beatings and honor killings from their husbands and families?

Interested in the reply, sir. Thank you for offering up your opinion to prompt what I hope is a respectful dialogue on an issue that I have a genuine interest in.


ricketzz: Posted: June 11, 2014 7:24 a.m.

The United Nations is like a corporation. It can exercise power without blowback aimed at any one individual nation. It is the framework that non-rogue states use to work issues out. #NATO is a re-purposing of an earlier western European axis. The #USA flipped sides. Hitler won.


stevehw: Posted: June 11, 2014 8:57 p.m.

"Should we stand by and let Muslim zealots the world over continue to spread their hate and violence, along with repression of women and gays, until it finally reaches our shores in a grander way than 9/11? As a world power who values the separation of church and state, do we have any duty to stand up for such belief against theocracies that utilize religion to cleanse their countries of religious minorities and keep their populations under an iron boot? Who will speak for the oppressed if not the United States? "

That's not why we started a war with Iraq. And it's certainly obvious that we don't *really* care about theocracies oppressing people if the country has resources, like oil, that we need. We haven't invaded Saudi Arabia, for example.

I'm not an isolationist, but there's a lot of truth to the idea that we can't force democracy on other nations, that they have to want it themselves and fight for it. Look at what's happened in Iraq the last couple of days. We went in (based on lies), destroyed the government and ousted Hussein, got ourselves mixed up in a civil war, and when we left, everything went to hell in a handbasket. Unless we want to *stay* in all those places, maybe we should try alternative means.

"Shall we simply cede authority to a Chinese or Russian brand of crony communism? Or rather adopt sharia law and tell women to give up their drivers licenses and accept beatings and honor killings from their husbands and families?"

This is just hyperbole...the only thing approaching sharia law we have to worry about here in the U.S. is from the right-wing "Christian" social conservatives' attempts at theocracy.


Lotus8: Posted: June 12, 2014 9:59 a.m.

Please Steve. Do you understand that sharia courts exist in the UK? There are 85 of these courts in the UK and their rulings are backed up by national law. They rule that wives must have sex with a husband upon demand, children are to be taken away from women who marry non-Muslim men, etc. Our legal system is based upon the British one, so don't be so sure that kind of thing isn't headed for our shores.

The root of western civilization is in Judeo-Christian ideals about individual rights, as it is taken as a basic fact that each person is made in the image of God and therefore is created equal. I don't want a theocracy and am staunchly behind the separation of church and state. However, I favor the basic Judeo-Christian outlook when compared to that of the Muslim religion, which is the basic construct for Muslim theocracies the world over.

By the way, I completely agree with you about Iraq. We involved ourselves in a civil war that has gone on for hundreds of years, paused only by the boot of a dictator. The Iranian people don't like us because the west deposed their democratically elected leader and installed the Shah many decades ago. The current state of affairs in Iraq was totally predictable from the day we set foot in that country.


tech: Posted: June 12, 2014 1:08 p.m.

I'd illuminate by noting the Persians have viewed the West as an adversary since the Greeks refused to submit to Darius I of the Achaemenid Empire. Recall the Greeks were considered meddlesome in the Ionian Revolt. --edited.



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