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Posted: June 4, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: June 4, 2014 2:00 a.m.
 

Let’s stipulate that both sides of the political spectrum want the best for others (a fair assumption, especially since both sides insist that is so).

Therefore, it really comes down to whether or not you have faith in your fellow man.

Even in those cases where conservatives disagree with someone, they generallyrecognize one’s right to be wrong with their own life/decisions/property/etc.

Liberals generally assume a dubious and supervisory approach to others en masse, to the point of imposing that approach upon unwilling others.

Thus the necessity of big government and more laws for the liberal, and the necessity of limited government and less laws for the conservative.

Comments

ricketzz: Posted: June 4, 2014 7:24 a.m.

"Spectrum" means an infinite number of places between two extremes. Think infra-right to ultra-blue. Bipolar is how I describe today's mass media politics. I am purple.

Liberal is an adjective regarding the willingness to change stuff to make progress. (The fact that righties are generally more suspicious and less intelligent makes them think the left is being bossy, when they are merely condescending.) Conservative is an adjective that means not readily amenable to changing things as a means to progress. The rate and method of inevitable change are the differences.

The righties have been brainwashed with Flags and crisp uniforms, and 24/7 propaganda into fascist allegiances to industrialists and religions, and hyper-suspicion of anyone who questions the Police State. They are already slaves who could never consider a 30 hour work week or retirement at 62 because having more free time is a luxury reserved for the Trust Fund Babies. There are mean people in high places, all over the world. Someday the bullies will all be Mussolini-ed in the public square; we need the gene out of our DNA.


therightstuff: Posted: June 4, 2014 7:38 a.m.

ricketzz, I have neither the time or interest to rebut everything you just wrote so let me be blunt. You're an idiot.


Jake: Posted: June 4, 2014 7:43 a.m.

I'd like to know where both stand on one issue in particular:

Ed Snowden

I couldn't find any info on their websites about their stance on Snowden, the NSA, the 4th Amendment, and so on.


projalice11: Posted: June 4, 2014 8:04 a.m.

Bingo Ricketzz..


17trillion: Posted: June 4, 2014 8:24 a.m.

"Right lane must turn right"

Learn it, know it, embrace it!


therightstuff: Posted: June 4, 2014 8:28 a.m.

Takes one to know one, right projalice11?


projalice11: Posted: June 4, 2014 8:32 a.m.

Bingo ricketzz hit a funny bone ..


17trillion: Posted: June 4, 2014 9:04 a.m.

Ricketzz, is your first name Bingo as Lois says above?

Bingo Ricketzz..... I like that!


CaptGene: Posted: June 4, 2014 9:58 a.m.

projalice11: "Bingo Ricketzz.."

You can't run from your nature.


stevehw: Posted: June 4, 2014 10:36 a.m.

It's actually very simple...the modern "conservative" approach is "I got mine! F you!". Or, if you prefer, "More for me, less for thee."


therightstuff: Posted: June 4, 2014 4:37 p.m.

Steve, the fact that the rich have gotten a lot richer under your beloved leader flushes your narrow-minded prejudice about conservatives down the toilet - where it came from. I think what you meant to say is that your observation is actually very simple-minded.


stevehw: Posted: June 4, 2014 8:49 p.m.

Well, he's not *my* "beloved leader", even though I voted for him. He's also not a progressive nor even a liberal.


ricketzz: Posted: June 5, 2014 7:09 a.m.

I thought Obama lacked "leadership" skills.. He is regulatory capture in a blue suit. This is what growing up watching TV will do to a person; he is easily dazzled by glitz and glamour. (Clinton same deal; maybe it's the poverty, but Lincoln would have none of it, and he had the most humble beginnings of any president). Anyway, the Banksters had Obama in their corner from late 2008 forward. Now he has mobilized all Federal forces to protect them.

VA, IRS, State, NSA, City of London, etc.; There is no accountability anywhere anymore.

Except on The Street.


chico: Posted: June 5, 2014 8:40 a.m.

I believe it's a mischaracterization of conservatives to assert like Stevehw -

"the modern "conservative" approach is "I got mine! F you!". Or, if you prefer, "More for me, less for thee."

I think a better characterization of conservatives would be - I got mine! You can do it too!

As for the pity party 'less for thee' line by Stevehw-

Lots of people are happy with what they have - and their hearts have not been corrupted with envy of those with more.


ricketzz: Posted: June 6, 2014 7:05 a.m.

People who parade around claiming to be "a conservative" are idiots. They don't act in a conservative manner. In fact, no manners. Americans are Americans. We have conservative views on some things, very liberal views on others. To cubbyhole yourself voluntarily is to reduce your potential for good citizenship. Every issue should be weighed and conservative, as well as liberal, solutions should be considered. If you are ideologically rigid and dogmatic we'll continue to go backwards. And argue pointlessly on the local fishwrap Op-Ed boards.


CaptGene: Posted: June 6, 2014 7:33 a.m.

racketzz:

"If you are ideologically rigid and dogmatic we'll continue to go backwards"

Says the guy who just a couple of sentences earlier wrote:

"People who parade around claiming to be "a conservative" are idiots"

And yet he's mystified as to why nobody takes him seriously.


17trillion: Posted: June 6, 2014 8:02 a.m.

Gene....keep it down. We don't want him to know we don't take him seriously.


ricketzz: Posted: June 7, 2014 7:10 a.m.

In the USA we are hopefully smart enough to be conservative when appropriate, not all the time. Society needs more dynamic range in its ideologies. If you are too rigid you will snap.

I don't care if you grasp my meaning, embrace it, condemn it, don't get it, whatever. By nobody you mean everybody. Who elected you as the spokesperson for the group?


tech: Posted: June 7, 2014 8:49 a.m.

"Who elected you as the spokesperson for the group?" - ricketzz

it's a rotating responsibility a number of us have taken on, ricketzz. It was CG's turn to mock your inconsistencies in logic. No worries on the workload however. It's easiest to just quote you as CG demonstrated.

It's a relief to be informed you don't care. No one wants to miss your rants, conspiracy theories, revolutionary fervor (the streets!), etc. --edited.


CaptGene: Posted: June 7, 2014 7:03 p.m.

You know, in fairness to cricketzz, There are two people that take him seriously: projalice111 and Indy Nile. Take that for what it's worth.

by the way, is the new schedule out yet? I may need to switch with someone. --edited.


ricketzz: Posted: June 8, 2014 6:51 a.m.

The alpha dogs are forming a pack. Piling on is a bullying trait.


CaptGene: Posted: June 8, 2014 6:58 a.m.

The ability to dish it out coupled with the inability to take it is a prog/lib trait.


tech: Posted: June 8, 2014 12:19 p.m.

The inability to discern humor is also a trait of pretend victims.

CG: I checked and the new schedule is posted in our Secret Conspirator Forum. I should have some flexibility to cover for you in the upcoming week if required. Let me know.


CaptGene: Posted: June 8, 2014 1:22 p.m.

Thanks tech. I have an appointment for a hearing test; turns out I can't hear dog whistles!


tech: Posted: June 8, 2014 3:56 p.m.

It's imperative you remedy that, CG. Dog whistles are critical for "alpha dogs", eh?


Indy: Posted: June 8, 2014 7:49 p.m.

I’m not surprised at all that the LTE writer injected his own biased views on what he wrote regarding the worldviews of what liberals and conservatives put forth.

I don’t think I have to write anything more to basically dismiss the LTE as just another weak attempt to make the conservative approach to managing our nation seem reasonable when in fact, it’s failing all of us.

Rob, the government is ‘we the people’. We decide as a nation on what government does and doesn’t do.

The useless euphemism cited by Rob ‘big government’ is insulting to the public.

Hopefully, before Rob writes again to the Signal, that he spend a few moments ‘thinking’ about what he going to write and not try to deceive or mislead the readers.


tech: Posted: June 9, 2014 5:24 p.m.

"I don’t think I have to write anything more to basically dismiss the LTE…" Right before you proceed to write more. Comical, Indy!

"Rob, the government is ‘we the people’. We decide as a nation on what government does and doesn’t do.

The useless euphemism cited by Rob ‘big government’ is insulting to the public." - Indy bot

I'm not elected or employed by the government and therefore aren't part of government. I'm a citizen that participates in a republic that hires them to perform functions as designated in our Constitution. I'm part of the public and aren't insulted by the use of "big government" because it's accurate.

Cue the President:

“The challenge, I think, that we have going forward is not so much my personal management style or particular issues around White House organization,” Obama said. “It actually has to do with what I referred to earlier, which is we have these big agencies, some of which are outdated, some of which are not designed properly.” - Barak Obama

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/barack-obama-affordable-care-act-obamacare-health-care-management-style-100759.html#ixzz34BuaFpxf


Indy: Posted: June 9, 2014 6:43 p.m.

Tech wrote: "I don’t think I have to write anything more to basically dismiss the LTE…" Right before you proceed to write more. Comical, Indy!

"Rob, the government is ‘we the people’. We decide as a nation on what government does and doesn’t do.

The useless euphemism cited by Rob ‘big government’ is insulting to the public." - Indy

Indy: Yes, I appreciate your copying and reiterating the point, thank you.

Tech wrote: I'm not elected or employed by the government and therefore aren't part of government. I'm a citizen that participates in a republic that hires them to perform functions as designated in our Constitution. I'm part of the public and aren't insulted by the use of "big government" because it's accurate.

Indy: I just find it interesting how the poster ‘strains’ to separate the government from ‘we the people’ . . . as if the following didn’t exist in the Constitution:

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

I still find it amazing that libertarians see themselves ‘apart’ of government . . .

Tech wrote: Cue the President:

“The challenge, I think, that we have going forward is not so much my personal management style or particular issues around White House organization,” Obama said. “It actually has to do with what I referred to earlier, which is we have these big agencies, some of which are outdated, some of which are not designed properly.” - Barak Obama

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/barack-obama-affordable-care-act-obamacare-health-care-management-style-100759.html#ixzz34BuaFpxf

Indy: Yes, politicians of both parties are FAILING the public by staying mired in useless partisan rhetoric while ignoring the functioning of government.

Sadly, the media likes to create ‘celebrities’ out of the clowns that seem to migrate toward elected office, many of them ‘growing up’ in the political machines where they learn to recite ‘slogans’ versus actually thinking and possessing skills to manage government.

In any event, political partisan ‘one-up-man-ship’ is dominating our political discourse and that has to change . . . thus the LTE writer’s useless mention of ‘big government’ indicates why his letter is of no value . . .


tech: Posted: June 10, 2014 9:54 p.m.

No matter how many times you repeat this, it's wrong. You are not part of "the government". What elected or appointed office in local, state or Federal government do you hold, Indy?

In our Federalist Republic, we elect representatives who subsequently hold office. They are part of the government during their term. When they leave office, they are no longer part of the government. The vast majority of government employees aren't elected by citizens.

Here (again) is how the Constitution delineates government and "the people":

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." - Tenth Amendment

United States = Federal Government
States = states
The people = citizens

The purpose of your conflating government and "the people" is to place government at the center of society rather than people. This is the intent of "progressive" politics, i.e. to champion collective over individual rights. The Bill of Rights is to limit the power of government over people because of the historical record of tyranny by the former.


ricketzz: Posted: June 11, 2014 7:42 a.m.

Most patriotic Americans agree with Lincoln that we have a government by, of and for the People. We the People wrote the Constitution so we could keep the money that usually gets stolen by corrupt politicians. We wrote it so the tyranny of religion be kept in its place. We wrote it for The People. Flesh and blood. Not corporations. Not "individuals". People not individuals.


tech: Posted: June 11, 2014 12:38 p.m.

people plural noun
1 crowds of people: human beings, persons, individuals, humans, mortals, (living) souls, personages, men, women, and children; informal folks.



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