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U.S. needs to maintain partnership with UN

Posted: April 27, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: April 27, 2014 2:00 a.m.
 

A new poll released this week by the Better World Campaign has found that even during this polarizing political time, there is one issue that voters agree on: the U.S. can’t go it alone to solve the world’s problems.

In fact, 86 percent of American voters agree that it’s important for the U.S. to maintain an active role in the United Nations.

Additionally, more than seven out of 10 Americans believe that working through the UN to resolve international issues improves America’s image around the world.

I’m one of them.

The U.S. has fallen behind on its dues to UN peacekeeping, but over two-thirds of voters want the U.S. to both pay what is already owed and meet new commitments in the year to come.

The U.S. cannot bear all the burden, and by maintaining an active and strong partnership with the UN, we won’t have to.

 

Comments

BrianBaker: Posted: April 27, 2014 6:57 a.m.

As far as I'm concerned, UN stands for Useless Nations.

It's nothing but a "We Hate America" club, heavily funded by us and located in our country, allowing tin-pot dictators and banana republics a forum in which they can excoriate us to their hearts' content while at the same time trying to figure out some way to get their mitts on even more of our money.

As to "peacekeeping dues", if anything underlines the uselessness of the UN, it's its "peacekeeping" efforts. Those blue helmeted troops in war zones don't do anything other than stand there impotently while the country they're in burns down to the ground around them. Rwanda, Somalia, Angola, Afghanistan... there's a long list of "peacekeeping" failures.

The very few times they actually do accomplish anything happen because this country -- the USofA that's supposedly "behind" on its peacekeeping dues -- foots the bill to put in place our own military forces willing and able to actually engage anyone.

Further, we alone fund 22% of the UN's budget, and 28% of its "peacekeeping" budget, not inclusive of our own military expenditures. I think we're paying far more than our "fair share" for such a ridiculous and hostile organization; we pay twice as much as the next-largest "contributor", Japan at 10.8%.

Frankly, I'd like to see them kicked out of this country, "relocated" to Geneva, maybe. Let them hate us from somewhere else.


ricketzz: Posted: April 27, 2014 7:45 a.m.

The crooks never like the cops.


therightstuff: Posted: April 27, 2014 8:34 a.m.

"""Additionally, more than seven out of 10 Americans believe that working through the UN to resolve international issues improves America’s image around the world."""

Can anyone name an international issue that was resolved by the UN?

Can anyone name a way that our involvement with the UN has helped America's image around the world?

It's outrageous that we provide a platform for crazy dictators to come to our shores to desecrate our country. Brian's right, let them hate us from somewhere else...and on their own dime.


ginnyp: Posted: April 27, 2014 1:22 p.m.

Well said Brian. And I have no idea where they came up with this 85% support for the UN. I don't know a single person who believes that it should still be here in the US or that it is doing what it was originally formed to do.


BrianBaker: Posted: April 27, 2014 3:53 p.m.

Thanks, ginny.

The only poll I find that reflects that support is from early 2011. It seems to be a single poll, I don't know anything about the polling organization other than that it seems to be affiliated with the UN, and 3 years ago is a LONG time in politics.


ricketzz: Posted: April 28, 2014 6:32 a.m.

Public polling in a Propaganda State is more propaganda. The USA doesn't want to play by the same rules as the rest of the world. We are special. God says so.


17trillion: Posted: April 28, 2014 10:23 a.m.

Bitter, party of one, your table is ready!


ricketzz: Posted: April 29, 2014 6:40 a.m.

The UN is The Corporation of the world. It limits the exposure of any one country when suppressing bad people. The baby blue Peacekeepers are very effective in the right situations.

Are you implying that I am "bitter" because we live in a Propaganda driven fascist state? Not at all. I enjoy seeing a well executed plan; even if it is for nefarious purposes. Go back to sleep now.


Lotus8: Posted: April 29, 2014 10:54 a.m.

The UN is a farce. It provides cover for scoundrels and delays necessary action allowing for more death and destruction. The US is the most easily defended nation in the world given our neighboring countries and the vast oceans on either side. We could easily pull our guys out of the rest of the world and allow Russia and China to swallow most of their surrounding territories. Europe might band together, or may just squabble as the ship sinks and they are taken over by the Russians eventually.

The US tries to prevent such a terrible future state of things by becoming involved all over the world in political affairs. We make plenty of mistakes and are sometimes on the wrong side of things when we look back at history. At least the US makes an effort. We house the UN, we pay most of the bills. We cash the checks that the UN writes by sending our men and women into harm's way or giving the UN the backing of our vast military resources as a threat.

We give and give, only to have two-bit dictators and war criminals get up and rail against us on our own soil at the UN headquarters. We sit there and take it in the spirit of international dialogue. At the end of the day, however, the talk in that building is cheaper than a $3 hot dog that can be purchased out on the sidewalk in front of the building. The large world powers will do whatever they are going to do in their own self interest. Only Americans, to our credit, have a conscience about doing so.


tech: Posted: May 1, 2014 11:22 a.m.

Well stated, Lotus8.


Indy: Posted: May 1, 2014 7:24 p.m.

I don’t expect the super nationalist conservatives that dominate this site to support the UN but it appears these folks are clearly out of step with the ‘American public’ as these polls show:

Poll Shows Overwhelming Voter Support for the United Nations
http://www.betterworldcampaign.org/news-room/press-releases/poll-shows-overwhelming-voter.html

85% of voters say it is important the U.S. maintain an active role in the UN - The majority of Americans maintain a favorable perception of the UN

May 24, 2011

The majority of American voters continue to demonstrate strong support for the United Nations. Results of public opinion research released today by the United Nations Foundation and its sister organization, the Better World Campaign, found that American voters overwhelmingly believe the United Nations is an important organization in which the United States needs to maintain an active role (85%).


Americans Support the United Nations
By Keith PorterMay 16, 2007
http://usforeignpolicy.about.com/b/2007/05/16/americans-support-the-united-nations.htm

The American public does not merely tolerate the existence of the United Nations. Large majorities actually want the world body to have more muscle. This according to a poll from WorldPublicOpinion.org and the Chicago Council on Global Affairs.

According to the poll, 79% of Americans view strengthening the United Nations as a "very" or "somewhat" important foreign policy goal. "While leaders of nation states may be wary of giving the United Nations more power it is clear that publics around the world are comfortable with the idea of a stronger U.N.," said Steven Kull, editor of WorldPublicOpinion.org.


Poll: 90% of Americans support United Nations
By: Guest Opinion October 28, 2013 , 8:57 am
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2013/10/28/poll-90-of-americans-support-united-nations/

A new poll out this week has found that nearly 9 in 10 voters believe it’s important for the U.S. to maintain an active role in the United Nations. I’m one of them.

With U.N. Day on Oct. 24, this new poll shows that Americans overwhelmingly support the U.N.’s work, from overseeing the destruction of Syria’s chemical weapons, to building peace in countries emerging from conflict, to improving access to vaccines globally. The findings were released by the Better World Campaign, an organization that works to strengthen the U.S.-U.N. relationship.

The U.N. serves our own national security and foreign policy interests in a big way. By taking an active role in the U.N., U.S. leaders can ensure that American priorities are heard on the world’s stage, including advancing democracy, human rights, and emergency humanitarian aid in times of need. These findings should resonate with all of us — especially our elected officials.


Indy: Posted: May 1, 2014 7:39 p.m.

Lotus8 wrote: The UN is a farce. It provides cover for scoundrels and delays necessary action allowing for more death and destruction. The US is the most easily defended nation in the world given our neighboring countries and the vast oceans on either side. We could easily pull our guys out of the rest of the world and allow Russia and China to swallow most of their surrounding territories. Europe might band together, or may just squabble as the ship sinks and they are taken over by the Russians eventually.

Indy: I don’t share your ‘isolationist’ approach to world politics.

And I don’t expect conservatives in general that reject government in principle to have any respect for any organization that tries to garner world nations for a ‘common purpose’.

The US is good at starting wars under very shaky circumstances of late spending trillions of dollars and leaving nations in chaos.

Conservatives like to believe that every international problem finds its solution at the end of ‘bullets’ which is obviously not addressing the economic causes for global unrest.

The US is becoming less and less relevant in a world stage that seeks solutions that don’t involve massive military buildup as we see here in the US that spends more on defense that the next 10 or say nations ‘COMBINED’.

Here’s the stats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

Finally, we see many ‘hawk’ republicans criticizing the President for his recent successes:

- Removed the Libyan dictator no Americans deaths
- Removing the chemical weapons in Syria – no American deaths

Under recent republican leadership, we’re still not out of Afghanistan, the LONGEST war in US history . . . and the debacle in Iraq over nonexistent WMD that has left that nation in chaos.

Finally, the recent actions by Russia in Crimea are stirring a lot of ‘sabre rattling’ from the same hawk republicans as if another ‘world war’ is their primary goal!

Human beings are understandably cautious about international confrontation especially when the outcome is completely unknown . . . so using diplomacy today is a far better tactic that wasting the lives of young Americans when again, the outcome of military involvement is uncertain and doesn’t address the underlying problems creating the unrest.

‘Shoot first, ask questions later’ is not the strategy we should be supporting . . .


Lotus8: Posted: May 2, 2014 1:42 p.m.

Indy...Come out of your political echo chamber please. You are painting me into a box that I don't belong in. I am not an isolationist. I believe that the UN should exist. Without communication the world would break down into further chaos. Note that I did not call for the UN to be dissolved in my original comment.

I choose, however, to look at the way the current UN functions and criticize it in hopes of it improving. Why do we let dictators and oppressors onto the human rights council (Saudi Arabia, Cuba, Pakistan, Angola, etc.)? Why does the US have to pay over $500+ million every year (nearly 25% of the total) if it is truly a global effort? Why does the UN take these broad stands on issues that sound great but have little associated meaningful action?

You seem so willing to cede sovereign power to the UN, which in my eyes is a huge mistake. The history of man is full of conflict and warring tribes. Many people flock to America each year seeking freedom from religious persecution and a new opportunity to succeed on the levelest economic playing field in the world. Yes we have warts, and we have enemies, too. You tend to create enemies when you show the rest of the world that striving for equality and freedom (notice I said striving, as this truly can't ever be 100% achieved) is the key to success and happiness. Dictators and communist nations where leadership is robbing the people blind and controlling the media find that to be rather inconvenient.

One final note. One of several inaccuracies in your run down above is that the President has removed chemical weapons from Syria. Last I checked, Assad was still using those on his own people while we sit on the sidelines. We encouraged the rebels at first, they made progress, and then we backed off when Russia backed Assad and wouldn't back down because they want to maintain their naval bases there. So by giving the rebels a nice head fake, we have thrown Syria into a horrible civil war involving chemical weapons and the ruin of most of the cities and infrastructure. But hey, at least no Americans died, right? I have a tad more sympathy for the Syrian people than the guy touting how great the UN is. Shocking, I know.

By the way, I think Bush was lame, too, so please quit already with the "Hey, at least this guy's not Bush!" stuff.


astroak: Posted: May 2, 2014 2:35 p.m.

Simply put, the US Government are not saints of this world. People need to know, and a lot are starting to realize, that the money pouring out of this country isn't for the good of the people here or their but good for the people who run the US. The government are arming and giving money to rebels trying to overthrow their government. History shows that US stirs up conflict for their own gain, whether it be power or something of need. They have been caught over and over again with lies (Benghazi, Iraq, Syria , Fast and Furious, NSA and more). It doesn't matter if it was this president or that president, they are all on the same team.

*Vote No Party System*


Lotus8: Posted: May 2, 2014 3:07 p.m.

By the way, astroak, every country on this planet does exactly what you are saying the US does. Everyone and every country is a sinner. There are no saints here. I agree with you, my friend, but I just wanted to point out the fact that America isn't alone in acting in its own interests, which will always align with the powerful few who pull the strings. At least here those folks can be held to account if they push too hard or too far once the generally sleeping giant called the American public is awakened. It appears lately like the giant was given a giant dose of Nyquil with the media covering for the guy in the oval office. Nixon was booted over much less serious an infraction than this president and his merry men and women are guilty of. Unfortunately, when FOX News went right, the rest of the media used that as an excuse to move farther left. Now FOX is seen as hair-brained (rightfully so in many cases, I might add) and the mainstream folks are free to give any and all democrats a pass.

The American public reminds me of the crowd at a pro wrestling match. They've all got their favorite wrestler, get all dressed up in his t-shirts and gear, scream their brains out cheering for their guy, and don't really know that the whole thing is a fake. The guys in the ring are making tons of cash, agreeing on who is going to win ahead of time, and putting on a good show. Afterward, the heel and the hero head out for drinks and a night on the town, laughing at how dumb the crowd is.


therightstuff: Posted: May 2, 2014 6:28 p.m.

Indy: """these folks are clearly out of step with the ‘American public’ as these polls show"""

Soooo...what would that say about your support for Obamacare?


ricketzz: Posted: May 3, 2014 7:16 a.m.

The government is evil only to the extent that it is corrupt. It is corrupt only to the extent that the people at the top are bought and paid for. Grover Norquist's greatest weapon is the cowardice of our legislators; all he threatens to do is oppose their re-election. No one envisioned career legislators. We should pay them $75k a year like other career bureaucrats.

Throwing up a poll without the underlying methods is littering, nothing more. You have to know exact wording and how they found subjects; things like that. Don't be an information bottom feeder. Be careful what you swallow.

All television news is worthless at best (except some Aljazeera and Democracy Now). TV news is infotainment and its primary duty is to advance the interests of the shareholders, including introducing propaganda into the narrative if it makes the sheep more business friendly. We are all Manchurian Consumers.

"Reality" would have most people crouched in the corner sucking their thumbs. It is really, really much scarier than Vladmir or the Jihadists.


tech: Posted: May 4, 2014 9:22 p.m.

"The government is evil only to the extent that it is corrupt." - ricketzz

Full stop. Have you fully considered what you wrote?

Why do you frequently advocate ceding more power to this entity?


ricketzz: Posted: May 4, 2014 6:53 a.m.

Why do you defend evil?


tech: Posted: May 4, 2014 7:55 a.m.

The majority of your fellow citizens aren't evil.

Why do you enable corruption and tyranny by advocating aggregation of power to corporatist central government?

Answer the question and avoid deflecting with nonsense.


ricketzz: Posted: May 5, 2014 6:36 a.m.

You are talking to me about the Corporate State? Is Fox Boobs finally starting to co-opt the Populism of 2011? I have stated before the influence of the Corporation is tied to campaign finance, which profits the same people you get your alleged news from. The only way to revive this fetid graying corpse of a Republic is to outlaw money in politics. Starting with reversing Citizens United and any Civil Rights for unnatural artificial persons, and enforcement of the Public Service commitment for broadcasters, we can stop the madness.


tech: Posted: May 5, 2014 1:47 p.m.

Again, you fail to acknowledge the central role of government in corporatism. It's where the corruption occurs.

Congress and administrations open the bazaar and put up the for sale signs.


Lotus8: Posted: May 5, 2014 1:49 p.m.

Ricketzz...How would you outlaw money in politics? Is it OK to print up some signs for my candidate? I did, after all, pay for the paper and ink. Well if that is OK, how about paying someone to print those up for me and paying someone to go around town and hang them up? Well if that is OK, what about paying for some advertisements on television for my candidate?

Contribution limits, you say? What if I band together with a bunch of my buddies and we all contribute and then that money is directed by a professional that we pay who will smartly allocate the funds?

You see the slope here? This is why the Supreme Court had to rule the way it did in the cases related to money in politics. We can even go down a similar path with corporations.

1) They have unique id numbers
2) They pay taxes and can be sued, held liable in court for criminal wrongdoing, etc.
3) They should be allowed to promote their own interest, which is really the interest of the owner(s) of the corporation.

Is there really that much difference between you with your social security number and a company with its EIN besides a pulse?


tech: Posted: May 5, 2014 1:57 p.m.

The defect was clearly identified nearly a century ago by Vice President Calvin Coolidge, in a speech entitled "The Limitations of Law" to the American Bar Association in San Francisco, August 10, 1922. Excerpts:

Urged on by the force of public opinion, national legislation has been very broadly extended for the purpose of promoting the general welfare. . . Much of this has been accompanied by the establishment of various commissions and boards, often clothed with much delegated power, and by providing those already in existence with new and additional authority. . .

This has not been accomplished without what is virtually a change in the form, and actually a change in the process, of our government. The power of legislation has been to a large extent recast, for the old order looked on these increased activities with much concern. . . This is not the government which was put into form by Washington and Hamilton, and popularized by Jefferson. Some of the stabilizing safeguards which they had provided have been weakened. . .

Advancing along this same line of centralization, of more and more legislation, or more and more power on the part of the National Government, there have been proposals from time to time which would make this field almost unlimited. The authority to make laws is conferred by the very first article and section of the Constitution, but it is not general; it is limited. It is not “All legislative powers,” but “All legislative power herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States.” The purpose of that limitation was in part to prevent encroachment on the authority of the States, but more especially to safeguard and protect the liberties of the people. . .

So long as the National Government confined itself to providing those fundamentals of liberty, order, and justice for which it was primarily established, its course was reasonably clear and plain. No large amount of revenue was required. No great swarms of public employees were necessary. There was little clash of special interests or different sections, and what there was of this nature consisted not of petty details but of broad principles. There was time for the consideration of great questions of policy. There was an opportunity for mature deliberation. What the government undertook to do it could perform with a fair degree of accuracy and precision.


Indy: Posted: May 5, 2014 2:57 p.m.

Lotus8 wrote: Indy...Come out of your political echo chamber please. You are painting me into a box that I don't belong in. I am not an isolationist. I believe that the UN should exist. Without communication the world would break down into further chaos. Note that I did not call for the UN to be dissolved in my original comment.

Indy: It’s not so much an echo chamber as the result of most conservative here being ‘anti’ UN for any reason . . .

Lotus8 wrote: I choose, however, to look at the way the current UN functions and criticize it in hopes of it improving. Why do we let dictators and oppressors onto the human rights council (Saudi Arabia, Cuba, Pakistan, Angola, etc.)? Why does the US have to pay over $500+ million every year (nearly 25% of the total) if it is truly a global effort? Why does the UN take these broad stands on issues that sound great but have little associated meaningful action?

Indy: Indeed, the politics at the UN are very similar to the ones we find here just in the US. Why do we let extreme partisans of both parties dominate the political discourse? Why does the media focus on this ‘political theater’ versus providing the public adequate context, facts, and back story on important issues? Why do we let a minority party in the Senate ‘demand’ ‘super votes’ on every piece of legislation?

As far as UN action, at least they are addressing the global over population problem including addressing sustainability issues which many super nationalist in the US can’t grasp. Same for military action . . . when the US gets involves, it’s a drawn out ‘war’ . . . that waste precious tax dollars on combat that doesn’t address the underlying economic issues that create the unrest.


Indy: Posted: May 5, 2014 3:07 p.m.

Lotus8 wrote: You seem so willing to cede sovereign power to the UN, which in my eyes is a huge mistake. The history of man is full of conflict and warring tribes. Many people flock to America each year seeking freedom from religious persecution and a new opportunity to succeed on the levelest economic playing field in the world. Yes we have warts, and we have enemies, too. You tend to create enemies when you show the rest of the world that striving for equality and freedom (notice I said striving, as this truly can't ever be 100% achieved) is the key to success and happiness. Dictators and communist nations where leadership is robbing the people blind and controlling the media find that to be rather inconvenient.

Indy: Yes, working ‘with’ the UN in any manner has conservative super nationalist making the types of comment you did: You seem so willing to cede sovereign power to the UN.

I’m looking for consensus that makes sense for all nations not just the US . . . we live in a global community.

And indeed the US has a better constitutional environment for protecting religious liberty but as I write this, the more outspoken religious conservatives are pushing for a de facto theocracy in the US . . . . based on the ‘dominate religion’. How is that better?

But I agree, the dictators around the globe are a major problem . . . but as we see even here in the US, the for-profit ‘media’ is controlled by the largest bidders such that we get political theater based ‘infotainment’ and very little comprehensive articles that including enough context, back story and facts to arm to the citizens here to vote intelligently versus straight ‘party line’ voting.


Indy: Posted: May 5, 2014 3:11 p.m.

Lotus8 wrote: One final note. One of several inaccuracies in your run down above is that the President has removed chemical weapons from Syria. Last I checked, Assad was still using those on his own people while we sit on the sidelines. We encouraged the rebels at first, they made progress, and then we backed off when Russia backed Assad and wouldn't back down because they want to maintain their naval bases there. So by giving the rebels a nice head fake, we have thrown Syria into a horrible civil war involving chemical weapons and the ruin of most of the cities and infrastructure. But hey, at least no Americans died, right? I have a tad more sympathy for the Syrian people than the guy touting how great the UN is. Shocking, I know.

Indy: "Chemical weapons removal from Syria nearly complete
Monitors say the government of President Bashar Assad has shipped almost 90% of its chemical weapons materials out of Syria.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-syria-chemical-weapons-20140423,0,3798910.story#ixzz30shV2NrN
By Patrick J. McDonnell
April 22, 2014, 9:06 p.m.

BEIRUT — With its latest deadline days away, Syria is close to eliminating its stockpile of chemical weapons, monitors said Tuesday, an improbable accomplishment in the midst of civil war that is likely to diminish further the possibility of international intervention."

As far as the US goes, we understandably will be blamed by conservatives for any of the horrible outcomes since we didn’t ‘invade’ that nation’s civil war. Haven’t we figured it out that many of these conflicts are ‘civil wars’?



Lotus8 wrote: By the way, I think Bush was lame, too, so please quit already with the "Hey, at least this guy's not Bush!" stuff.

Indy: For me, I don’t ‘blame people’ as much as understanding the failure of the ideology that governs their actions . . .


Indy: Posted: May 5, 2014 3:15 p.m.

Astroak wrote: Simply put, the US Government are not saints of this world. People need to know, and a lot are starting to realize, that the money pouring out of this country isn't for the good of the people here or their but good for the people who run the US. The government are arming and giving money to rebels trying to overthrow their government. History shows that US stirs up conflict for their own gain, whether it be power or something of need. They have been caught over and over again with lies (Benghazi, Iraq, Syria , Fast and Furious, NSA and more). It doesn't matter if it was this president or that president, they are all on the same team.

*Vote No Party System*

Indy: Note ‘Indy’ = ‘Independent’ but as we see here, this site is dominated by far right conservatives that anyone even near the ‘middle’ is a ‘leftist’.

In any event, a good read on US economic imperialism: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins (Nov 9, 2004)

Many US politicians that are ‘owned’ by the multinational corporations dismantling the US economy are very clever to hide their intentions behind recitals of ‘patriotism’ and trying to propagate ‘US values’. In reality, that’s not the case at all . . .


tech: Posted: May 5, 2014 4:19 p.m.

"Many US politicians that are ‘owned’ by the multinational corporations dismantling the US economy are very clever to hide their intentions behind recitals of ‘patriotism’ and trying to propagate ‘US values’. In reality, that’s not the case at all . . . " - Indy

Speaking of reality, take a look at this list of "heavy hitters" in political donations:

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php


ricketzz: Posted: May 6, 2014 8:16 a.m.

Corporations can have civil rights as soon as we can give them the death penalty. Corporations are traitors and made so by the Supreme Court (also traitors). Advertising uses subliminal methods to control peoples' brain waves; this sort of psyops should not besmirch our sacred duty to have a representative government. On our publicly owned airwaves we can have debates and press conferences; and in papers and magazines and signs do as you like; and feel free to dive into cable TV and the internets with your filth; just stop defiling the public airwaves with your lies.


tech: Posted: May 6, 2014 11:48 a.m.

"…cable TV and the internets with your filth; just stop defiling the public airwaves with your lies." - ricketzz

As I stated in another thread, your posts reveal a frustrated censor that wishes to apply ideology purity tests. You desire controlled speech rather than free speech.

Do you long for the days of your youth when you were a loyal compliance flack?

Your rants about conspiracies and traitors reveal an unhinged mentality. --edited.


tech: Posted: May 6, 2014 11:54 a.m.

More Coolidge on the Limitations of Law:

But this [expansion of government] has all been changed by embarking on a policy of a general exercise of police powers, by the public control of much private enterprise and private conduct, and of furnishing a public supply for much private need. Here are these enormous obligations which the people found they themselves were imperfectly discharging. They therefore undertook to lay their burdens on the National Government. Under this weight the former accuracy of administration breaks down. The government has not at its disposal a supply of ability, honesty, and character necessary for the solution of all these problems, or an executive capacity great enough for their perfect administration. Nor is it in the possession of a wisdom which enables it to take great enterprises and manage them with no ground for criticism. We cannot rid ourselves of the human element in our affairs by an act of legislation which places them under the jurisdiction of a public commission.

The same limit of the law is manifest in the exercise of the police authority. There can be no perfect control of personal conduct by national legislation. Its attempt must be accompanied with the full expectation of very many failures. . . The people cannot divest themselves of their really great burdens by undertaking to provide that they shall hereafter be borne by the government. . .

Behind very many of these enlarging activities lies the untenable theory that there is some short cut to perfection. It is conceived that there can be a horizontal elevation of the standards of the nation, immediate and perceptible, by the simple device of new laws. This has never been the case in human experience. . .

Under the attempt to perform the impossible there sets in a general disintegration. When legislation fails, those who look upon it as a sovereign remedy simply cry out for more legislation. A sound and wise statesmanship which recognizes and attempts to abide by its limitations will undoubtedly find itself displaced by that type of public official who promises much, talks much, legislates much, expends much, but accomplishes little. The deliberate, sound judgment of the country is likely to find it has been superseded by popular whim. The independence of the legislator is broken down. The enforcement of the law becomes uncertain. The courts fail in their function of speedy and accurate justice; their judgments are questioned and their independence is threatened. The law, changed and changeable on slight provocation, loses its sanctity and authority. A continuation of this condition opens the road to chaos.


ricketzz: Posted: May 7, 2014 7:05 a.m.

As a public compliance consultant my main job was making sure all the required documents were in a folder and that folder was where we advertised it could be viewed. This is done on-line today. I don't miss it. I didn't write any of the rules.

As a bad anarchist right libertarian you think all this is wonderful, I understand that. It is not traditional America. This is America Gone Wild. There is no blueprint, the banks are winging it and we are the backstop. The entire financial system is fraudulent. Nobody is really in charge. It is "Rogue Trader" as a business model. While the globalist elites toast each other from silk slippers the ants are formulating a plan.

When people cannot get heard via elections, (due to corrupt Federal courts), they find other ways to express their wishes. The government doesn't do the will of the people at all anymore. This is dangerous for the Republic for which I stand. I don't care about guns or racism. I save my adrenaline for more weighty matters.


tech: Posted: May 10, 2014 10:02 a.m.

"I save my adrenaline for more weighty matters." - ricketzz

Would that be keyboard revolutionary rants?


ricketzz: Posted: May 12, 2014 7:12 a.m.

"Rants" eh? I'd quote Goldwater on the propriety of extremism blah blah but you already know it all so why waste the finite number of characters in this cheap keyboard?

The Country is lost, has been lost all my lifetime. The USA is an artificial construct that enriches a few while making life miserable for the rest of the world, which is about to burn down, thanks to you.


tech: Posted: May 18, 2014 6:10 p.m.

Extrapolating your personal failures globally is an profound error in logic, ricketzz.

The USA is about to experience a profound renewal now the the "progressive" experiment has been exposed as a fraud.


ricketzz: Posted: May 19, 2014 8:03 a.m.

What has been exposed as a failure is Trickle Down Voodoo Economics, as instituted by the most corrupt President in modern times, Ronaldus the Magnificent, Saint Reagan. That's where the parallel universe took over, big time. Greed never was good. Greed is a cry for help. Greed is insecurity and paranoia.

The USA collectively spreads failure everywhere it goes, pretty much. We are being used by Daddy Warbucks. Following is a list of military actions; how many are for the safety of Americans, and how many are to make the world easier to exploit by installing friendly gov'ts, or failing that, creating chaos, where people like Blackwater provide all the security needed to extract whatever the unfortunate locals stupidly built their country on top of[sic]?

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html


tech: Posted: May 21, 2014 11:38 p.m.

Cheer up, Dr. Doom.

Everything's Amazing and Nobody's Happy | Econ Chronicles |

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9fIKElVvOU



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