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Charlie Vignola: Bye bye Benghazi

Posted: August 19, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: August 19, 2014 2:00 a.m.
 

Here’s a question: when politicians or public figures are dead wrong about a claim they’ve repeatedly made, what expectations does the public reasonably have to either an apology or even an acknowledgement that they were wrong in the first place?

Apparently, it depends on which party you ask.

See, if you’re a Democrat and you screw up — like, say, President Obama telling the public that if they like their insurance they can keep it under Obamacare — then Republicans expect a major mea culpa when it turns out that

Obama was wrong and some insurance companies offering substandard policies must then cancel those policies.

And not only should we expect an apology, but we should bludgeon the president with this mistake over and over again for good measure, to make sure he never says anything stupid or wrong again.

But when Republican figures make claims about Obamacare that turn out to be wrong? As in:

“It’s unconstitutional ... even if it isn’t, the broken website won’t get fixed ... even if it does, not enough people will sign up ... and even if they do, the young people needed to prevent a ‘death spiral’ won’t sign up ... even if they do, people won’t pay their premiums ... even if they do, people won’t like their new policies.”

Well, when it’s people on the right who get things factually, provably wrong, then nobody deserves an apology and it’s a waste of time to dwell in the past.

Which brings us to a little thing called Benghazi. For a while there, it was the grand scandal of the Obama administration, a sinister conspiracy to cover up a preventable tragedy that should rightfully lead to President Obama’s impeachment and Hillary Clinton’s disqualification as a presidential candidate in 2016.

We heard it shouted from every corner of the right wing media. Fox News effectively became the Fox Benghazi Channel for the better part of two years.

And then a funny thing happened: on Aug. 1, after a comprehensive two-year investigation, the House Intelligence Committee — led by Republicans, mind you — released their findings and concluded that there was no deliberate wrongdoing by the Obama administration in the 2012 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed

Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.

The report bears out the Obama administration’s version of events, finally confirming that no one was deliberately misled, no military assets were withheld and no “stand-down” order to U.S. forces was given.

Not only that, but the whole report was declassified so that anyone who still had doubts could pore over the evidence itself.

I’m guessing this is probably news to some of you out there, as this “bombshell” was conspicuously missing from Fox

News or any other high-profile right-wing news outlet during the last week and half.

But it’s real, it happened, and it’s all in the history books now. Anyone who still touts a cover-up at the heart of Benghazi and insists that “Obama and Hillary left those people to die” is now either ignorant or just plain crazy.

Which brings us back to the main question: what expectation does the public have now that the figures fanning the flames of the “Benghazi Conspiracy” for the past two years will face the music and do their mea culpas?

That expectation turns on what party you belong to. Again, when the Democratic president makes a huge public gaffe, Republicans practically expect him to wear a dunce hat for his error in judgment — but when Republicans commit gaffes of equal or greater idiocy? The silence is deafening.

Recently, I posted an article about this development on Facebook, and rather than getting honest responses from the conservative peanut gallery, I got a lot of snarky responses along the lines of, “Oh, great, so the administration didn’t deliberately intend to have those people killed. What an accomplishment.”

Of course, that’s just a sneaky, backhanded way to try to sidestep the inflammatory accusations that’d been made for years and deny any accountability from the right-wing pundits who incessantly painted Obama as some coward/traitor who willfully abandoned brave Americans to die.

Here’s the deal, guys: you made false charges, you stood by them, and you insisted that eventually the truth would be revealed and prove your assertions right.

And then the Republicans did a thorough two-year investigation, revealed the conspiratorial claims were all wrong, and declassified the report to remove any lingering doubt.

Republicans are praying that like Mitt Romney, this will all just go away like a bad dream and they can move on to hyping the next would-be scandal. But sorry; I’m calling them out.

The Obama-haters don’t get to quietly crawl back into the memory hole with their now-debunked nonsense and seal it shut behind them without being rightfully shamed in the public square.

Man up, folks, and admit you were wrong for a change.

The first step to recovering your credibility is admitting you have a problem.

Charlie Vignola is a former college Republican turned liberal Democrat. He lives in Fair Oaks Ranch, works in the motion picture industry and loves his wife and children.

 

Comments

therightstuff: Posted: August 19, 2014 9:55 a.m.

"""Here’s a question: when politicians or public figures are dead wrong about a claim they’ve repeatedly made, what expectations does the public reasonably have to either an apology or even an acknowledgement that they were wrong in the first place?"""

Vignola's right. When politicians and public figures like Barack Obama, Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton and Jay Carney were dead wrong about a claim they repeatedly made by telling the American people Benghazi was NOT a terrorist attack but a spontaneous reaction to a video for weeks after it happened, the public deserves a long-overdue apology.

Though I don't think this group will ever be able to recover their credibility Vignola is right that they should man up and admit they were wrong for a change. --edited.


BrianBaker: Posted: August 19, 2014 9:56 a.m.

What the hell is Vignola babbling about?

Vignola, you seem to very conveniently forget that your ObaMessiah and the rest of his loony minions tried to blame the Benghazi massacre on a YouTube video that was completely irrelevant to the event, in an effort to hide the fact that it was an Islamofascist military-style attack, well planned and coordinated. The lie was put out there to protect your guy from the bad publicity that would have arisen if, right before the election, it became obvious that his claim the "al Quaida is on the run" was yet another of his baseless claims.

Further, the FACTS we now finally know -- no thanks to the corrupt administration and its attempts to lie, conceal and obfuscate -- also clearly show how Clinton's State Department completely ignored Ambassador Stevens's repeated requests for beefed up security in the time leading up to that attack which took his life.

As to Obamacare: where do you get your talking points? HuffPo?

Obama's "mistake" -- meaning "lie" -- that you could keep your insurance and doctor if you liked them was called the "lie of the year" and earned a truckload of Pinocchios. "Lie of the year" was awarded by Politifact, hardly a "right-wing" outfit, and the Pinnochios were awarded by the Washington Post, about as Left as it gets.

Vignola, you're nothing but a shill for the Dem/socialist propaganda machine. I suggest you take your own last sentence to heart, and follow your own advice.


therightstuff: Posted: August 19, 2014 10:11 a.m.

"""I’m guessing this is probably news to some of you out there, as this “bombshell” was conspicuously missing from Fox"""

And ABC, CBS, NBC, or CNN. Vignola is regurgitating a story that had a lot of play on the far-left blogs recently. Even Obama's subservient wh0res in the mainstream media didn't follow the story which tells you everything you need to know about another wasted column by Democratic Voices. --edited.


OldReliable: Posted: August 19, 2014 10:50 a.m.

Charlie, Charlie, Charlie... you really stepped into it with this one. Hilarious!

Great fiction, Charlie.


AlwaysRight: Posted: August 19, 2014 11:00 a.m.

Gotta love Charlie. I am nearly 100% convinced that his viewpoints are contrived specifically to elicit a response. There can be no other explanation.


reason1: Posted: August 19, 2014 11:01 a.m.

How did Charlie Vignola, former college Republican now turned liberal gets his hands on a still classified report to read it with his own two eyes before penning his latest liberal propaganda piece.

From what I see this report is still "classified" and the only one claiming that no deliberate wrongdoing was found in Benghazi is from one Democrat that was on the committee. Only a few small liberal blogs sites are now pushing this as "fact" and it isn't surpising that the Signal's far left liberal opinion writer is jumping right onto the bandwagon with them.

Could this be Charlie Vignola's Susan Rice moment when he is claiming one thing as Rice did when she said Benghazi was caused by a video which incited a riot but then we later find out that isn't the case? It is wise to wait to see what the actual report says before claiming something to be true.

Even if the report ultimately finds that there was no "deliberate" wrongdoing by the administration what is undeniably clear and irrefutable is that this administration handled the whole incident with naive and foolish incompetence, the likes of which we have never seen and which every American should be ashamed.


projalice11: Posted: August 19, 2014 11:54 a.m.

Charlie three Bingo's, three cheers, three yeah's, three kudos, three hooray's ***

Again with the subservient wh0res **
Same old rhetoric same old sour grapes how boring ***







BrianBaker: Posted: August 19, 2014 12:02 p.m.

Same old "Bingo's".

How boring.

(Incidentally, you're using the plural form of "Bingo", therefore you don't use an apostrophe, which makes it a possessive form. It's simply "Bingos". Same with "yeah's" and "hooray's". However, kudos on getting it right with "kudos" and "cheers")
.
.
--edited.


projalice11: Posted: August 19, 2014 12:03 p.m.

"Bye bye Benghazi" claims *** How refreshing ***


CaptGene: Posted: August 19, 2014 12:05 p.m.

If you ever wonder why movies suck lately, it's because people like Chuckles here are considered "writers". More bird cage liner from Chuckles.


17trillion: Posted: August 19, 2014 12:53 p.m.

Lois, 2 keys to the right of the M key on your keyboard you will find the period key. Learn it, know it, embrace it, use it!


therightstuff: Posted: August 19, 2014 1:06 p.m.

"""Again with the subservient wh0res. Same old rhetoric same old sour grapes how boring"""

Now, now, Lois, I think you're being a little hard on Charlie. He can't help it. Imagine if you were tasked with having to write columns in support of Barack Obama.


hepnerkid: Posted: August 19, 2014 1:10 p.m.

If Charlie was a conservative in college, he must have been the dumbest one around. To embrace liberalism and all its lies for a conservative view is something that ranks with "obama is the smartest man in the room". Charlie seems to be a deluded soul who wanders thru life looking for projalice11 to cheer him on. I wonder if Charlie froths at the mouth? It would seem likely since to deviate from common sense and swerve into this lost oblivion appears to have some comfort for him. The rest of us followed the story as it broke and drew common sense observations. Black is not white and up is not down. Get with the program, Charlie.


CaptGene: Posted: August 19, 2014 1:49 p.m.

When Chuckles decided to be a liberal instead of a conservative, the aggregate IQ of both groups went up.


therightstuff: Posted: August 19, 2014 3:04 p.m.

"""rather than getting honest responses from the conservative peanut gallery, I got a lot of snarky responses"""

I guess if a liberal refers to the "conservative peanut gallery" it's not snarkey.

Democratic Voices hypocrisy exposed yet again.


projalice11: Posted: August 19, 2014 3:19 p.m.

Hey posters is that the best you got** Very sad ***

Hey a reminder "Bye bye Benghazi"


BrianBaker: Posted: August 19, 2014 3:39 p.m.

Next grammar lesson:

Use of commas and question marks is highly encouraged, along with appropriate possessive pronouns (those apostrophes you seem to love so much). Let me illustrate:

"Hey, posters, is that the best you've got?"

See how much more literate that is?


17trillion: Posted: August 19, 2014 3:47 p.m.

Look Lois! See how Brian uses punctuation? Some of it can be a bit confusing, but the basics are pretty simple. Also, you seem to use symbols that aren't actual forms of punctuation like the star. You seem to employ a star in place of a comma or a period, which is, as you say, inane.


emheilbrun: Posted: August 19, 2014 3:56 p.m.

If only someone knew of a book we could read that would explain what really happened. My budget is less than $1. Any suggestions?


tech: Posted: August 19, 2014 3:59 p.m.

A wishful thinking reminder, projalice11:

LADIMAS:
Posted: October 6, 2013 6:31 p.m.
Democrats could take back the House in 2014.

The probability is that the Democrats will take back the house because
Obama is President, and they will take back the house because the GOP
is doing sooooooooooooooooo badly"

2014 and 2016 . . . tick . . . tick . . . tick . . . goes the clock .

Reality:

Republicans have an 82 percent chance of winning back the Senate

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/05/05/republicans-have-an-82-percent-chance-of-winning-back-the-senate/


tech: Posted: August 19, 2014 4:44 p.m.

I'd check with Indy, emheilbrun. Perhaps the answer involves compensation for referrals.


Indy: Posted: August 19, 2014 4:50 p.m.

Yet another setback for Benghazi conspiracy theorists
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/yet-another-setback-benghazi-conspiracy-theorists-0

By Steve Benen
The House Intelligence Committee is among the many congressional panels to investigate the deadly attack on the U.S. outpost in Benghazi in 2012, and its findings are reportedly complete. The committee’s report is not yet available, but Rep. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.) talked to the San Francisco Chronicle about the results of the inquiry.

The House Intelligence Committee, led by Republicans, has concluded that there was no deliberate wrongdoing by the Obama administration in the 2012 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, said Rep. Mike Thompson of St. Helena, the second-ranking Democrat on the committee. […]

Thompson said the report “confirms that no one was deliberately misled, no military assets were withheld and no stand-down order (to U.S. forces) was given.”

The committee agreed Thursday to declassify its report, nearly two years in the making, and the findings will reportedly be available to the public once it’s cleared by intelligence agencies.

Just so we’re clear, this is a Republican-led committee, with GOP members outnumbering Democrats, 12 to 9.

And according to the Chronicle’s report, the committee’s findings are consistent with everything reality has told us all along: “There was no ‘stand-down order’ given to American personnel attempting to offer assistance that evening, no illegal activity or illegal arms transfers occurring by U.S. personnel in Benghazi, and no American was left behind.”

What’s more, the Obama administration’s process for developing “talking points” was “flawed, but the talking points reflected the conflicting intelligence assessments in the days immediately following the crisis.”

It would appear some Republican lawmakers who’ve spent 23 months screaming the exact opposite owe the public an explanation for why they were wrong.

Indy: My recommendation is this eBook that outlines the ‘actual’ events that took place: The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013)


tech: Posted: August 19, 2014 5:07 p.m.

You invoked a bot script, emheilbrun!


BrianBaker: Posted: August 19, 2014 5:15 p.m.

Copy-and-paste at its finest.


reason1: Posted: August 19, 2014 6:09 p.m.

Someone tell Indy that trying to lend support to Charlie's article by copying and pasting drivel from MSNBC's Rachel Maddow and topping it off by suggesting we read the "acutal" events from an ebook written by the head of George Soros's liberal propaganda factory Media Matters is like heaping more crap onto the stinking pile.


17trillion: Posted: August 19, 2014 6:15 p.m.

He knows reason, but for some odd reason he continues and in his little Indy mind, someone actually cares.


therightstuff: Posted: August 19, 2014 6:45 p.m.

Indy: """My recommendation is this eBook that outlines the ‘actual’ events that took place: The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013"""

TRANSLATION: Though I've never read David Brock's 99 cent gospel tract about Benghazi personally and I have absolutely no idea what's in it, I know that Brock is a total Obama wh0re and so I cannot recommend his version of the Benghazi terrorist attack highly enough.

P.S. And no matter how many times anyone asks me to explain why Obama and his minions lied about the attack to protect his political campaign, I will just keep recommending you read Brock's tract - which I've never read.


BrianBaker: Posted: August 19, 2014 7:49 p.m.

The actual translation is:

It's an E-Book, meaning it couldn't find an actual publisher.

That's about all you need to know, right there.

According to Amazon, there is a paperback edition.... published by CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform (October 22, 2013).

In other words, self-published. It's a vanity press.

The book stinks so bad no one would touch it.


Indy: Posted: August 19, 2014 9:00 p.m.

reason1 wrote: Someone tell Indy that trying to lend support to Charlie's article by copying and pasting drivel from MSNBC's Rachel Maddow . . .

Indy: LOL!

Anyway, I know the disappoint I see displayed here today by the standard group of religious conservative brethren that find out the ‘innuendo and speculation’ put forth by Fox is discovered to be false, misleading, and wrong.

But for your edification, the report came from: House Intelligence Committee

In any event, if you really want the ‘reality’ timeline on this, try: The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013)


Indy: Posted: August 19, 2014 9:05 p.m.

Charlie wrote: And then the Republicans did a thorough two-year investigation, revealed the conspiratorial claims were all wrong, and declassified the report to remove any lingering doubt.

Indy: As you can see here, the diehard conspiracy scandal folks are ‘married’ to this nonsense and will continue to recite it ad infinitum!

The reality as we see from the report, is different from the Fox nonsense used to control these folks and ‘keep them in line’ if you will for the corporate masters that run the GOP.

In any event, the ‘results’ are in and ‘Fox’ is out . . .


reason1: Posted: August 19, 2014 9:37 p.m.

Priceless - if you look up the ebook on Amazon that Indy is touting it is catagorized under (no joke) "Propaganda & Political Psychology" by Amazon.

If you read the HuffPo piece by the author promoting his ebook you will find an endless spew of Romney demonization and the most you will learn about what the Obama administration did to help the Americans whose lives were in danger is the following: "Meanwhile, Obama's Pentagon, State Department, and CIA were still in the middle of a long night trying to figure out how to save Americans under fire halfway around the world".

As I said earlier the incompetence of this administration's handling of Benghazi is undeniable.


Indy: Posted: August 19, 2014 10:13 p.m.

reason1 wrote: As I said earlier the incompetence of this administration's handling of Benghazi is undeniable.

Indy: The reality:

“The House Intelligence Committee, led by Republicans, has concluded that there was no deliberate wrongdoing by the Obama administration in the 2012 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, said Rep. Mike Thompson of St. Helena, the second-ranking Democrat on the committee. […]”

In any event, you can return to your regularly scheduled recitals by Fox . . .


therightstuff: Posted: August 20, 2014 12:13 a.m.

therightstuff: Posted: August 19, 2014 3:45 p.m.
"""And no matter how many times anyone asks me to explain why Obama and his minions lied about the attack to protect his political campaign, I will just keep recommending you read Brock's tract - which I've never read."""

Just two hours and 15 minutes later....


Indy: Posted: August 19, 2014 6:00 p.m.
"""In any event, if you really want the ‘reality’ timeline on this, try: The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013"""

Democratic lap dogs are so predictable. Good boy, Indy, good boy....


projalice11: Posted: August 20, 2014 12:24 a.m.

BrianBaker:
Posted: August 19, 2014
12:39 p.m.
Next grammar lesson:
Why are so hung up on grammar ??


BrianBaker: Posted: August 20, 2014 12:58 a.m.

Why does it matter so little to you?


17trillion: Posted: August 20, 2014 11:13 a.m.

"Why are so hung up on grammar ??"

Because having someone claim to know so much who is actually illiterate is annoying.


projalice11: Posted: August 20, 2014 12:35 p.m.

17trillion:
Posted: August 20, 2014
8:13 a.m.
"Why are so hung up on grammar ??"

"Because having someone claim to know so much who is actually illiterate is annoying." A self description of the annoying l7trillion, and a also annoying
is his inane post---


Indy: Posted: August 20, 2014 4:12 p.m.

projalice11 wrote:17trillion: “Why are so hung up on grammar ??"

"Because having someone claim to know so much who is actually illiterate is annoying." A self description of the annoying l7trillion, and a also annoying
is his inane post---

Indy: Keep in mind that when you can’t debate the merits you default to basic ignorance or in this case, nit picking grammar . . . .

This works hand in hand with character assassinating people to discredit their views . . .

In any event, why feed that nonsense, let’s just go back to the facts:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/yet-another-setback-benghazi-conspiracy-theorists-0

By Steve Benen
The House Intelligence Committee is among the many congressional panels to investigate the deadly attack on the U.S. outpost in Benghazi in 2012, and its findings are reportedly complete. The committee’s report is not yet available, but Rep. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.) talked to the San Francisco Chronicle about the results of the inquiry.

The House Intelligence Committee, led by Republicans, has concluded that there was no deliberate wrongdoing by the Obama administration in the 2012 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, said Rep. Mike Thompson of St. Helena, the second-ranking Democrat on the committee. […]


tech: Posted: August 20, 2014 6:29 p.m.

Three-star army general to lead legal team for Benghazi Select Committee

The Republican-led House Select Committee investigating Benghazi has selected its lead legal official: a retired three-star general who, most recently, served as the U.S. Army’s Judge Advocate General under President Obama. That’s according to sources with information regarding the appointment.

Lt. Gen. Dana Chipman, 55, attended West Point and received his law degree from Stanford Law School in 1986, according to public reports. He also holds a Master of Science degree in Strategic Studies. He will serve as Chief Counsel of the Select Committee.

Chipman retired from the military last year after 33 years of service. His retirement ceremony was hosted by Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey, whose actions have come under scrutiny as part of the Congressional investigation into the limited military response to the Benghazi terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2012.

In a 2010 interview, Chipman stated that the last books he’d recently read included: The Unforgiving Minute, by Craig Mullaney, and Talent is Overrated, by Geoff Colvin. He also stated that he spent 33 months as a criminal prosecutor and “loved ‘crime’ – how/why people do what they do is fascinating!” His awards include the Legion of Merit and Bronze Star Medal.

The Benghazi Select Committee, chaired by Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) has already begun some work behind the scenes and is expected to ramp up fully when Congress returns from its summer vacation in September.

http://sharylattkisson.com/three-star-army-general-to-lead-legal-team-for-benghazi-select-committee/


reason1: Posted: August 20, 2014 9:29 p.m.

What bye bye? Benghazi hearings start early next month.

Trey Gowdy Announces First Benghazi Hearing - July 29, 2014

In an interview with Fox News' Catherine Herridge Tuesday morning, Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy announced the first Benghazi select committee hearing will be held in early September. The announcement comes after months of quiet investigation from the Committee, which was announced by House Speaker John Boehner in May. The select committee includes seven Republicans and four Democrats.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/07/29/trey-gowdy-announces-first-benghazi-hearing-n1871591


therightstuff: Posted: August 20, 2014 11:55 p.m.

Indy: """This works hand in hand with character assassinating people to discredit their views . . ."""

At last this poster is talking about an issue he knows something about.


therightstuff: Posted: August 20, 2014 11:57 p.m.

Normal people and most of the press know that the investigation led by Trey Gowdy hasn't even started yet. Nervous Democrats are desperate for this to be over. The last thing they want is for the truth to get out.

Reason #4,729 why I would never be a Democrat.


tech: Posted: August 21, 2014 12:59 a.m.

Rep. Issa was inept, TRS. Now that Rep. Gowdy, a well respected trained prosecutor, is leading the Select Committee, I'm more confident we'll have facts come to light.


ricketzz: Posted: August 21, 2014 10:08 a.m.

The truth is out. Rep. Gowdy will concentrate on immaterial "gotcha" stuff. I'm sure he had worthy adversaries in whatever East BF Federal Judicial District Court he practiced in. Ha!


therightstuff: Posted: August 21, 2014 2:07 p.m.

Couldn't agree more about Issa, tech. Shameless Democrats made HIM the target of any investigation as a way to distract from finding the truth.

How can these investigations drag out for years? We've got the IRS dead to rights on their abuses and yet nothing seems to happen. We know the media will do everything they can to protect their leader and Democrats are experts in running out the clock. Why is the GOP so slow in getting to the bottom of these obvious abuses of power?


tech: Posted: August 21, 2014 2:20 p.m.

"Why is the GOP so slow in getting to the bottom of these obvious abuses of power?" - TRS

Ineptitude, TRS. That and an inability for most to articulate a principled position and return fire to biased media hacks.

Ricketzz, your risible hick ad hominem against Rep. Gowdy won't withstand scrutiny. Why don't you get on your DuckDuckGo and perform some unbiased research on his abilities, record and reputation?


tech: Posted: August 21, 2014 4:09 p.m.

I'd add that it's of a piece with the systematic violation of law by this administration.

The Department of Defense (DOD) violated section 8111 of the Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2014 when it transferred five individuals detained at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to the nation of Qatar without providing at least 30 days notice to certain congressional committees. Section 8111 prohibits DOD from using appropriated funds to transfer any individuals detained at Guantanamo Bay unless the Secretary of Defense notifies certain congressional committees at least 30 days before the transfer. As a consequence of using its appropriations in a manner specifically prohibited by law, DOD also violated the Antideficiency Act.

http://www.gao.gov/products/B-326013


therightstuff: Posted: August 21, 2014 5:15 p.m.

Tech, I just saw the same breaking news on CNN but will there be consequences or will it be like every other time this administration lies, violates the Constitution, and breaks the law?

Agency: Pentagon broke law in Bergdahl prisoner swap

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/21/justice/bergdahl-prisoner-exchange/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+Most+Recent%29


therightstuff: Posted: August 21, 2014 5:21 p.m.

By the way, when British Prime Minister David Cameron learned that the executioner of James Foley was likely British, he immediately canceled his summer vacation and returned to London.

After Barack Obama concluded his speech on the matter yesterday, he rushed back to the golf course.

Oh that America had a true leader we could be proud of.


Indy: Posted: August 21, 2014 8:47 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: After Barack Obama concluded his speech on the matter yesterday, he rushed back to the golf course.

Indy: I live your recitals of Fox talking points . . . saves me the time of having to watch them . . .


tech: Posted: August 21, 2014 11:47 p.m.

POOL REPORT:

"Obama stepped to a podium and delivered his remarks… Afterward, the motorcade drove to the Vineyard Golf Club."


therightstuff: Posted: August 22, 2014 1:42 a.m.

What's an undeniable fact to normal people is just another opportunity for Indy to express his hourly fixation with Fox News. At first I thought his comment was a typo but I really think he does 'live' for Fox News. This guy's perverted obsession is creeping me out.


ricketzz: Posted: August 22, 2014 9:07 a.m.

Issa is car thief and an arsonist. He was a former armed street thug who invented a car alarm (to thwart others who plied the same trade as Issa.)
Now he thinks his sewage is sweet smelling.

I guess the DoD owes Congress $988,000 dollars! Hahahaha!


tech: Posted: August 22, 2014 1:27 p.m.

You are aware that the President is CiC and the DoD carries out orders, are you not?

Your ad hominem flourishes amount to performance art in the Signal forums.


AlwaysRight: Posted: August 22, 2014 2:20 p.m.

Terrorists saw the head off an American.
Obama goes and plays golf.
Hope he enjoyed the round.


Indy: Posted: August 22, 2014 8:12 p.m.

Obama Has Logged Only 1/3 as Many Vacation Days as George W. Bush
http://www.mediaite.com/online/obama-has-logged-only-13-as-many-vacation-days-as-george-w-bush/

by Evan McMurry | 10:48 am, August 13th, 2014

“Obama golfs while the world burns” (or “bodies fall from the sky“) is the new talking point on the right, with variations for President Barack Obama’s vacation to Martha’s Vineyard this weekend. But how much is Obama actually off the clock?

This calls for some data journalism. Yahoo News’ Olivier Knox obtained the hard data from CBS News’ Mark Knoller, who has made a project of tracking executive days off since 1996. Knoller compared Obama to predecessor George W Bush‘s vacations. Here it is in graphic form:

Obama’s vacation days clock in at just over one-third of Bush’s, as do the total number of trips. Knoller didn’t count trips to Camp David as vacations, but Bush led those 3:1 as well.

The golf numbers are flipped, with Obama having played 186 games of golf to Bush’s 24, though Bush explicitly stopped playing golf early in his term.

Bush isn’t the only Obama vacation foil that has fallen apart. A few weeks ago conservatives criticized Obama for not canceling his travel plans following the downing of flight MH17, arguing that Reagan had immediately decamped from his California ranch to address to the 1983 attack on Korean Air Flight 007 — a claim that turned out to be wildly untrue.


therightstuff: Posted: August 23, 2014 12:17 a.m.

Terrorists behead an American - Obama goes to play golf. Reminds us of when Obama went on a cash junket to Vegas the day after terrorists murdered four Americans in Benghazi.

Obama wh0re's only response: Duuuhhh.....what about Bush?????

Can you imagine any other president after his sixth year in office STILL being compared to his predecessor? Truly sad.


ricketzz: Posted: August 23, 2014 10:55 a.m.

Obama was in a state of shock when he gave his little speech. Golf is obviously a refuge. Maybe he does his best thinking there.

This is a big world. Journalists are dying a lot lately. It's only terrorism if you watch the propaganda. They are baiting you. They want to use your kids for target practice. They want to bleed the USA dry. Don't take the bait!

What "ad hominem flourishes" are you talking about, Professor Smith? I appreciate the performance art nod!


tech: Posted: August 23, 2014 12:33 p.m.

Speaking of performance art, this apologia is sycophant ready:

"Obama was in a state of shock when he gave his little speech. Golf is obviously a refuge. Maybe he does his best thinking there."

Nausea inducing.


tech: Posted: August 23, 2014 12:35 p.m.

"It's only terrorism if you watch the propaganda. They are baiting you."

"Ignore your beheading, rape and enslavement. They're baiting you." - ricketzz


reason1: Posted: August 23, 2014 2:05 p.m.

I don't know whether those that support Obama are incapable of reason and logical thought as evidenced by the asinine contrivances they pull out of thin air to cover for his incompetence as witnessed by ricketzz latest or if they are just so desperate to rationalize their belief in a failed ideology that they cling to blindly but either way as tech stated it is truly nauseating.

Unfortunately ricketzz and Obama share a common believe that if you stick your head in the sand and just "not watch" terrorism will cease to exist.


ricketzz: Posted: August 24, 2014 9:49 a.m.

As I have said before, Obama keeping the USA out of the madness is taking a lot of strength. If you think there are a lot of Jihadists now, just boot Chinese made American boots on the ground.

Everybody has a "safe place". Everybody has a refuge, a sanctuary where they can put symbolic distance between themselves and "the world", in order to sort things out. I, like most American males, find solitude in my automobile. Obama drove a 300 as I recall and he probably misses it.

People who ascribe great evil to this man have been led astray by yellow journalism and shady propagandists. Obama is earning his peace prize.

The Islamic State controls a few highways and towns. They can be isolated by breaking up the roads. US aerial assets, intel are going to assist the locals. This is their fight. I am more threatened by Charles Koch and Don Murray than by Jihadists in East BF.


CaptGene: Posted: August 24, 2014 10:59 a.m.

If there is some sort of "Sycophant Of The Year Award" I nominate cricketzz.


ricketzz: Posted: August 25, 2014 10:22 a.m.

What "failed ideology" is Prez advocating? Am I advocating a failed ideology? When I have any doubts about the fundamentals I go back to the Enlightenment and John Locke and JJ Rousseau and Thomas Paine and the Founders. Where do today's self proclaimed "conservatives" go for validation? Are they not the same people we chased back to Britain (or at least Canada) in 1783? Are Tories no longer traitors?

Most Americans are zombified vidiots. They think what is on TV is real. It is not, especially what they call "news". It is a show to keep you in line. It is the "circus" half of the old Roman equation. Like with the Romans, the sheep will be led to the slaughter.

You have lost the country to the Globalist Elites by idiotically siding with Oligarchs and Dynasties. They are consolidating their gains by taking everything we used to consider "birthright" and selling it off. Water, public land, spectrum, etc.; they see "the commons" as another untapped profit center.

The American Legislative Executive Council passes local laws that facilitate the plunder. ALEC is funded by the Kochs, etc. The Kochs were born filthy rich and have never worked a day in their lives. They see themselves as put here to set things right and they are destroying the place. They are a thousand George Soros in terms of financial clout.


tech: Posted: August 26, 2014 6:23 p.m.

"When I have any doubts about the fundamentals I go back to the Enlightenment and John Locke and JJ Rousseau and Thomas Paine and the Founders." - ricketzz

"The Kochs were born filthy rich and have never worked a day in their lives. They see themselves as put here to set things right and they are destroying the place. They are a thousand George Soros in terms of financial clout." - ricketzz

"One of these things is not like the other…" - Sesame Street

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#Insider_trading_conviction


ricketzz: Posted: August 27, 2014 9:53 a.m.

A conviction in France for insider trading invalidates an entire lifetime of philanthropy and service?

"Subsidiaries of Koch Carbon have accumulated massive piles of petroleum coke in U.S. cities like Detroit and Chicago, where the toxic dust has blown into peoples' homes from a 5-story-tall pile of petcoke. Petcoke is a byproduct of refining tar sands that is usually burned like coal. Petcoke, which is more carbon-intensive than coal, is typically exported and burned in other countries with little to no air or climate regulations. While Detroit's mayor ordered Koch to move its petcoke pile, Chicago regulators and politicians have not acted with the same urgency despite sustained local protests from community members, nurses, and threats of lawsuits from environmental groups. In response, Koch claims it will add protections to its unlined pile, which could take two years." -Greenpeace


tech: Posted: August 27, 2014 8:42 p.m.

It seems the Koch's don't have any criminal convictions associated with their philanthropy.

Amusing that you cite Greenpeace. That lot would conduct show trials for "environmental crimes" if given the opportunity.

In the real world:

Greenpeace protesters still face burglary charges
Carrie Blackmore Smith, csmith@enquirer.com 5:43 p.m. EDT July 2, 2014

A Hamilton County judge has declined to drop burglary charges against the Greenpeace protesters authorities claim vandalized Procter & Gamble's global headquarters in March.

Common Pleas Judge Robert Winkler ruled against the argument made Wednesday morning by the protesters' attorney, Lou Sirkin, who challenged the burglary charge, claiming the protesters were expressing their free speech rights, with no intention of committing a crime.

They were arrested and charged with vandalism and burglary. The burglary charge, according to Hamilton County Assistant Prosecutor Mark Piepmeier, can be applied if an individual is accused of committing another crime while trespassing on private property.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2014/07/02/procter-and-gamble-greenpeace-protest/12056775/ --edited.


ricketzz: Posted: August 28, 2014 10:37 a.m.

The too-big-to-fail banks launder vast sums of drug money, create fraudulent securities resulting in the collapse of the economy, pay billions in fines, and result in zero criminal convictions of any of the bank principles.

Do you think rich people get in trouble? Don't you see there are two kinds of America? This is the condition we rebelled against in the mid 1700s. Why can't you see that? The aristocrats running things are inbred insane bluebloods and they are making it impossible for the rest of us to live normal lives.

Greenpeace are my heroes. Passive resistance and civil disobedience are the People's remedy when the institutions of government fail to act. This includes the ratings-driven Fourth Estate which is so irrelevant nobody is willing to pay for it any more unless they show lots of blood and cleavage and things to be very afraid of.

What they don't tell you is the real story. Catch Amy Goodman at 9a on KCET-HD "ch28" M-F. Watch Free Speech TV (no commercials) it's on DiSH and DirecTV, and Warner's digital public affairs tier as I recall. Get your feet wet in another perspective (mixt meta4). This is the only way you'll prove to me that you aren't a slave to dogma.


tech: Posted: August 28, 2014 12:28 p.m.

"Do you think rich people get in trouble?" - ricketzz

Yes. We were discussing George Soros, remember? I could name dozens of others off the top of my head but it wouldn't matter a wit in your future rants, would it?

"Greenpeace are my heroes." - ricketzz

Greenpeace is a global corporate NGO with a annual budget of hundreds of millions that enables "green" racketeering and extortion. The majority of their funding goes to corporate salaries rather than causes in the field manned by naïve volunteers. They're as corrupt as the governments and corporations they collude with and that you rail against, ricketzz.

Governments/politicians/bureaucrats, NGOs and large rent seeking corporations need blind ideological foot soldiers like yourself engaged in the modern equivalent of tribal warfare. You're being gamed and manipulated by global sophisticates that exploit you for profit and lifestyles far beyond your means. That you see only a subset is an indicator of your naïveté.

The solution is to devolve power out of capitals and back to local citizens and institutions in communities. Unfortunately, we're far down the road towards the well documented corrupt and lazy thinking that destroyed the Roman Republic.

Your posts reveal an enabler and avid supporter of statist policies, ricketzz.


ricketzz: Posted: August 29, 2014 10:28 a.m.

I am a left libertarian who thinks the city-state is the largest practical form of government possible. No hierarchy. Direct Democracy. No closed doors in government offices. Barter system facilitated by computer. No real property, lots of infinitely renewable leases. No opportunities for bullies to get rewarded. I vote Green Party.

Greenpeace spends about $560,000.00 on management overhead. (per 2012 Annual Report)


tech: Posted: August 29, 2014 1:58 p.m.

"I am a left libertarian…" -ricketzz

No such animal, really. What you mean is the "Libertarian Socialist" artifice to mask pedestrian socialism. See: Noam Chomsky.

The Greek City-State model of direct democracy failed and was superseded by the Roman Republic. That's why we have a Republic, i.e. to avoid the tyranny of the mob. See: Reign of Terror and execution of Socrates.

If the Feds would retract their colossal footprint from local governments per the Constitution, the rational model of state and local government would be restored.

Greenpeace "management overhead" ≠ corporate salaries.


ricketzz: Posted: August 30, 2014 10:21 a.m.

The USA is "socialist" when appropriate. Capitalism is not a panacea. Anarchist Socialists and Left Libertarians are the same animals.

The "government", from Animal Control to the Supreme Court, has been captured by the industries governments were supposed to regulate for the benefit of ourselves. Bribery is legal. If this is your Roman Republic it's easy to see why they are hiding in back of the church these days.

The "tyranny of the mob" is the only thing other tyrants fear. That's why peaceful demonstrations with 100,000+ warm bodies are so cool; they could tear this sucker down but are choosing not to. The 1% hate non-violent demonstrations because of the visuals, that's why they never show them on TV. That's why the [authorities] send in agents provocateur to throw bottles at cops or to set off M80s. If a peaceful demonstration turns wicked violent it is almost 100% always a Police Riot.

Noam Chomsky is a very plain spoken truth teller. His books are kind of a rip-off because they are just his lectures in writing. He does have a sense of humor.

https://www.intellectualrevolution.tv/videos/occupy2012-feat-anonymous-noam-chomsky-rap-news-x


tech: Posted: August 30, 2014 9:24 p.m.

The USA is "socialist" when appropriate. Capitalism is not a panacea. - ricketzz

Capitalism isn't perfect. Socialism has been a 100% failure. Hard to be more imperfect than that record.

The "government", from Animal Control to the Supreme Court, has been captured by the industries governments were supposed to regulate for the benefit of ourselves. - ricketzz

Public Sector Unions

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=P04

The "tyranny of the mob" is the only thing other tyrants fear. - ricketzz

Mob rule ≠ the rule of law or protection of minority rights. That why we have a Constitutional Republic.


ricketzz: Posted: August 31, 2014 10:39 a.m.

And everything Great Britain did 1773-1775 was perfectly legal. This place was founded to protect the people from tyranny. There is none more onerous than a government ruled by inbred psychotic aristocrats.


tech: Posted: August 31, 2014 12:04 p.m.

Non sequitur. You don't protect citizens from tyranny by engaging in tyranny. That is precisely what occurs when you advocate for mob rule.


ricketzz: Posted: September 1, 2014 10:32 a.m.

When Reagan and Clinton dismantled electronic mass media regulation they killed whatever was left of your precious Constitutional Republic. What we have today is called a Plutocracy. A kleptocracy. The Founders would be in front of the crowd.

The Street is where nations are won or lost.


tech: Posted: September 1, 2014 1:58 p.m.

"… electronic mass media regulation…"

"… your precious Constitutional Republic."

Hmm… let's have that master of logic, Cookie Monster, explain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxfZbj5vf7Y

I'm finding this instructional video has broad application in these forums.

Your assertion begs the question, ricketzz. You haven't proved that media, electronic or otherwise is the foundation of our Constitutional Republic.

As a retired member of the formerly regulated media, could your pining for the days of your youth bias your judgement? Do you dream of manning the barricades at the direction of government bureaucrats?


ricketzz: Posted: September 3, 2014 9:37 a.m.

I am still a youth. I have a congenital defect that keeps me a 7th grader emotionally forever.

Jefferson advocated for colleges and newspapers because a voter needs to know what is going on and then needs to know how to "process" that knowledge into an informed ballot.

Newspapers can do whatever they want because there is an essentially infinite amount of paper and ink. Broadcasters should never be given that much leash because they operate on public airwaves that are uniquely able to be received in virtually every automobile, and on radios that can be had for the price of a Sunday paper. The airwaves are a Public Trust, the broadcasters are crappy trustees. Reagan and Clinton, under orders from nefarious businessmen, have delivered us here. We went too far. Proof? Open your eyes.


tech: Posted: September 3, 2014 12:26 p.m.

Media is no longer restricted to TV and radio broadcast over the air. It hasn't been since cable access became ubiquitous decades ago.

Your mind is obsessed with an obsolete model because what you're actually advocating is government control of media. --edited.


ricketzz: Posted: September 4, 2014 9:13 a.m.

Cable TV access is in no way ubiquitous as defined by SCOTUS in FCC v Pacifica. You need expensive equipment and a leased physical connection, hardly suitable for the daily commute. Licensed radio stations are a direct conduit to the captive audience of workers in their autos; a massive opportunity to have undivided attention of the driver. No other medium comes close.

The Public airwaves are part of the commons and should never be used to pit one citizen against another in a lopsided political crusade. Ownership of most radio stations is insanely conservative (redundant) and they have no interest in advancing our government. They don't deserve the center of my dashboard.


tech: Posted: September 4, 2014 11:06 p.m.

You really have no idea of what you"re talking about, ricketzz.

Only Seven Percent of TV Households Rely on Over-the-Air Signals, According to CEA Study

http://www.ce.org/News/News-Releases/Press-Releases/2013-Press-Releases/Only-Seven-Percent-of-TV-Households-Rely-on-Over-t.aspx

Satellite radio & TV, Pandora, iTunes, Spotify, Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, etc. The alternatives to broadcast media are numerous and growing.


ricketzz: Posted: September 6, 2014 11:03 a.m.

Have you ever heard of a paywall? Why should Righties get free air time while everyone else has to pay? The CEA study is faulty. They sell gadgetry, big surprise there.

TV is a lost cause at any rate because the bad is so prevalent. The main venue I am concerned with is the car radio. These operate on airwaves owned by The People. Why should we have to suffer an endless barrage of ideological propaganda just to get a traffic report? Why should we let Rush Limbaugh single handedly destroy talk radio because he is pill-poppin insane?

Clinton and Reagan deregulated that which was not theirs to trash; in the process they killed the public square.


tech: Posted: September 7, 2014 11:47 p.m.

Non sequitur. The barrier you cite is in your own mind. 93% of TV households have cable. Prove otherwise or acknowledge reality.

Your real objection is allowing markets to decide. Remember Air America?


ricketzz: Posted: September 8, 2014 10:30 a.m.

If you can't see the difference between a free service available everywhere (including commuter autos) and a subscription service that requires wires and supports an authorization layer I can't help you.


tech: Posted: September 8, 2014 11:04 p.m.

Is 93% ubiquitous? That what you're avoiding.

Over the air radio isn't free. It's advertiser supported.

Do you deny you want the government to regulate content?



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