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In need of a bond measure

Posted: August 7, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: August 7, 2014 2:00 a.m.
 

For years California has had a model school facility program that is a partnership between the state, local school districts and developers to share funding for new school construction and classroom renovation.

When the voters in a local school district pass a school bond measure, the district becomes eligible to receive matching grant funds from the state.

Over the last few years the school districts of the Santa Clarita Valley have been successful in securing voter approval of bonds such as Newhall School District’s Measure E. We have planned for projects based on the possibility of state match grants.

In Newhall we planned conservatively so that projects that are most critical, such as replacing aging portable classrooms with permanent construction, could move forward with Measure E bond funds, while expansions of project scope and projects at other sites were contingent on the receipt of state match funds.

We would like to be able to accomplish everything we planned — but only state matching funds can allow us to stretch our local dollars into other still-needed projects.

Unfortunately, the state hasn’t passed a statewide bond since 2006, and the program funds are now depleted. Unless a new statewide school bond measure is approved, many communities like ours are going to be restricted to the minimum completion of projects we envisioned for our students.

Local voters who supported Measure E lose on the promise of “more bang for the buck” of state match funds.
What’s more, if we don’t continue this successful partnership, the potential of thousands of construction jobs will be lost, jeopardizing California’s recovery from the Great Recession.

We’re proud of the fact that Newhall’s bond dollars have helped to fuel the economy by employing hundreds of construction industry workers.

Statewide, voters have shown time and again that they will invest in their schools, and they deserve an opportunity to vote on this issue.

Our state Legislature must pass, and Gov. Jerry Brown must sign, AB 2235, a bill that will put the school bond on the November ballot, allowing the voters to decide.

Failing to do so limits Newhall School District’s ability to complete all that we wanted to accomplish for our kids, to provide modernized and beautiful community schools that enhance home values, and could potentially damage our recovery economy by not generating local construction jobs.

Brian Walters is president of the governing board for the Newhall School District. Marc Winger is superintendent of the Newhall School District.

 

Comments

Nitsho: Posted: August 7, 2014 11:09 a.m.

Matching State fund with local funds is code for "double tax".

Pay the bond for the state and pay the bond for the city.

"employing hundreds of construction industry workers." because in every liberal's eyes, everyone is a ditch digger...

"For years California has had a model school facility program that is a partnership between the state, local school districts" Really? You mean partnership for state, local UNIONS. Spend more on the kids.

http://edsource.org/2013/california-drops-to-49th-in-school-spending-in-annual-ed-week-report-2/63654#.U-OUYEgvD3g

"replacing aging portable classrooms with permanent construction" Then why when you renovated Wiley, Meadows and built Oak Hills, Pico and McGrath did you BUILD portable classrooms then?


"Statewide, voters have shown time and again that they will invest in their schools, and they deserve an opportunity to vote on this issue"

We've wised up to the smoke and mirrors with school bonds like transportation bonds. It's always the sky is falling and then a bond gets passed and then raided to some other liberal cause.

Marc, you may think you are a great leader but let's face it. You've been there too long and only do what's best for you.

Educators should educate and not lead the business side of education.

Rather than tax and tax again, do this...

1. Stop over inflating special ed to get more money from the state.
2. Stop cutting the funding for the kids and look to cut at the district level
3. Change the phone system from POTS to VOIP and save the per cent charge for EVERY PHONE CALL YOU MAKE.
4. Stop giving in to the unions every time they cry. When you do that, you have you're and their interest as a priority. Not the kids. and yes, I know about the "me too" clause. When they get a raise, so do you.
5. CLOSE A SCHOOL. With the population down, close a school.


17trillion: Posted: August 7, 2014 11:37 a.m.

It's never, ever enough!

Good comments Nitesho. I think we could also do a better job educating if we didn't blow off the entire last week of school with activities that include a softball game, a field trip to a park they've all been to a thousand times, or counting the last day of school as a school day even though they just pick up their report cards and leave. Literally, as far as I can tell, there was no educating done the last week of school.


hopeful: Posted: August 7, 2014 12:02 p.m.

Just 2 short years ago, Californian's passed Proposition 30. Where has that increased revenue for schools gone?

http://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_30,_Sales_and_Income_Tax_Increase_(2012)

More money is not always the answer, as evidenced by Kansas, Iowa, Texas, and Utah in this 2014 Best and Worst School Systems by state: http://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-the-best-schools/5335/


philellis: Posted: August 7, 2014 1:08 p.m.

Too bad Nitsho's post contains so many innaccuracies. As a start, I challeng you to support items 1 and 4.

Also, if you can, please provide support for the following and please limit your support to what has happend locally and not over the hill. I am not aware of any local bond school bond funds that have been raided to some other liberal cause. ALso, I never knew that educating our youth was a liberal only cause.

We've wised up to the smoke and mirrors with school bonds like transportation bonds. It's always the sky is falling and then a bond gets passed and then raided to some other liberal cause.


tech: Posted: August 7, 2014 1:09 p.m.

Until school districts control their largest expense, i.e. labor costs and pensions, I will vote no on every single school bond proposal. The ratio of administrators to educators is maladjusted and requires reform.

The money isn't reaching students. It's mostly absorbed by the union education monopoly. Education is not underfunded.

In 2013, the USA spent $11,193 per student in primary education compared to the OECD average of $7974.

http://www.keepeek.com/Digital-Asset-Management/oecd/education/education-at-a-glance-2013/annual-expenditure-per-student-by-educational-institutions-for-all-services-2010_eag-2013-table77-en#page1


chefgirl358: Posted: August 7, 2014 1:30 p.m.

You're not in "need" of a bond measure. You're in need of someone who can make you live within your budgeted means like the rest of us. Screw bond measures. I am done with these people constantly trying to take more and more and more money from us and end up using the money for a bunch of bs, like the LAUSD billion dollar IPAD debacle, or the current trend of using the bond measure funds people voted for to create transportation via trains and improvements, and now the road a.h.'s are trying to jack us all by using that money to build TOLL LANES and tax us on what we already paid for a second time. NO! JUST SAY NO to idiots with a pet cause holding their hand out. NO MORE TAXES!


Nitsho: Posted: August 7, 2014 1:31 p.m.

Philellis

For #1 - NSD has abused special ed for years. Ask them how much they spend in special ed. Last I knew about was over $2M back in the early 2000's. $2M for a small population. Ask them the "clinical" conditions they are "treating".They look for any reason to put a kid in special ed for the extra money.

For #4 and to address your points about the local bonds being raided.

Bonds free up general funds for things like raises and new teachers. Not a bad thing until the bonds dry up and then they need to pay these funds from the general fund cutting money from the kids. Borrow from Peter to pay Paul...Ponzie scheme. Happened in the early 2000's. And the Non-certificated staff has a "me too" clause which states whatever raise the teachers get, they get the same raise. the CTA and the boards are all in this scam together. Of course the unions want a bond to pass, because then they get more paying members.


Nitsho: Posted: August 7, 2014 1:55 p.m.

"Voters in the Newhall School District passed the $60 million Measure E in 2011" from this story...http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/125400/

That plus the matching state funds and other funds from the state...

"Local voters who supported Measure E lose on the promise of “more bang for the buck” of state match funds"

Big surprise here. Promises made that couldn't be kept...


BrianBaker: Posted: August 7, 2014 2:41 p.m.

Yeah, I have to say that I'm with chefgirl, tech and hopeful.

We pass bond measure after bond measure, and it's never enough. We pass Prop 30 and it isn't enough. Way back in the day we legalized the state lottery, with the proceeds earmarked for "education" and it isn't enough.

It's NEVER EVER EVER going to be "enough".

And yet, somehow, we have enough money to build an idiotic Browndoggle "bullet train" that nobody wants or needs at over $70 BILLION.

We have enough to enact in-state tuition for illegal aliens, and provide them subsidies.

We have enough to pay high salaries for administrators and teachers, and outrageous retirement benefits.


But we "need" more bond measures.

Yeah, right. This is EXACTLY why I, too, always vote "No!" on these absurd bond measures we see on virtually every ballot.

Screw them.


17trillion: Posted: August 7, 2014 3:37 p.m.

What happened to the lottery money? Laughing.....


philellis: Posted: August 7, 2014 5:03 p.m.


Big surprise here. Promises made that couldn't be kept...

What promise.

Nitsho, I am not surprised that you danced around your intial assertions and changed them when challenged. Your lack of a credible discussion reminds me of one of our long winder posters.



Your response seems to have backed off from your original claim of the district inflating special ed to get more money from the state and switched to one discussing the amounts spent, without providing any evidnce that such funds were over spend or unnnecessay. You also neglected to substantiate the following:

4. Stop giving in to the unions every time they cry. When you do that, you have you're and their interest as a priority. Not the kids. and yes, I know about the "me too" clause. When they get a raise, so do you.

I also asked you to substantiate your claim that bond funds were raided to some other liberal cause. You reply was about as responsive as we are used to getting from WIndy.


@17 - I think we all laugh at the lottery claim. I cannot believe the naivete of the California voters in accepting the claims from lottery proponents. Lottery money only covers about 1.5% of school budgets.


Nitsho: Posted: August 7, 2014 5:18 p.m.

Philellis....

"What promise" I'll copy and past it again for you....

"Local voters who supported Measure E lose on the promise of “more bang for the buck” of state match funds" http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/125400/

I'd use crayons for you but I can't on this web forum. LOSE ON THE PROMISE OF...It's right there...Voters were promised matching funds that aren't there anymore. It's called bait and switch. If the state doesn't do another bond, then there will be no matching funds...LIKE THEY PROMISED TO GET 30 passed.

And I didn't not back off, in fact, if you bother to read it, which I don't think you did, it pressed more on them inflating special ed for more money. afterall, this is all about money. They were spending more than $2M on special ed back in 2004 when the total population of NSD was 8500 students. It's right there on their website.

As for number 4. I'll use little words for you...

Unions want more teachers and pay raises. Schools can't afford it so they use bond money to offset the general fund and use general funds to pay teachers. What happens to those teachers that the unions wanted and the raises they promised when the bond money runs out? It comes from the general fund.

I can explain all this to you over and over again, I just can't understand it for you. --edited.


Lotus8: Posted: August 7, 2014 9:39 p.m.

Nitsho, you are spot on with respect to the sidestep that happens with these types of funds. We underfund facilities and student activities because these are visible to parents and students. Meanwhile, the teachers who get outrageous pensions and health care on top of a decent salary for a job that gives them months and months of vacation and no chance of being fired are always clamoring for more money. The money is spent on benefits and salaries while the outward facing facilities and activities are left to rot, as those are visible to voters when the time comes for more funding.

Now that being accepted as fact, which I dare anyone to deny it as fact, what are we going to do about the situation? Do we allow our local public schools to fall into disrepair and, over time, drag down property values across the valley and ruin the special nature of our community in that most don't feel the need to send their kids to private school? Are you willing to see our valley's schools rot on the vine and sacrifice personal wealth and happiness in order to start a statewide revolution on this issue?

Not me. This isn't the hill I'm dying on. I am voting yes on the bond measure. I hate the Browndoggle train, I hate the teachers' union, I hate wasteful spending and I know that the democrats who run this state are lying to us around every corner on every issue. However, if I have to pay a bit extra in taxes each month at least this tax benefits me directly in terms of quality of life for my family and the value of my house. We aren't going to win this battle by lighting ourselves on fire in the middle of the town square. All we'll end up doing is getting burned.


BrianBaker: Posted: August 7, 2014 10:08 p.m.

Then they win, and the scam goes on forever.


tech: Posted: August 7, 2014 10:10 p.m.

Lotus8, you clearly recognize the education funding extortion methodology and despise the practice.

Have you given thought to what it would take to break the racket? Recall what was threatened if Prop 30 wasn't passed, i.e. public safety, a fundamental responsibility of government. I draw your attention to the example of the State of Wisconsin. --edited.


Nitsho: Posted: August 8, 2014 11:52 a.m.

SUCCESSFUL SCHOOL BOND MEASURES (http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/125400/)Measure E (2002): $48 million bond for the Saugus Union School DistrictMeasure SA (2008): $300 million bond for the William S. Hart Union High School DistrictMeasure E (2011): $60 million bond for the Newhall School DistrictMeasure CK (2012): $72 million bond for the Sulphur Springs School DistrictMeasure QS (2012): $51 million bond for the Castaic Union School DistrictThat's 531,000,000. in 12 years. Current population of the city is approx 175,000http://www.santa-clarita.com/index.aspx?page=574
1/2 a BILLION dollars in 12 years to educate a population of 175,000...How much of that was matching state funds? 25%? 50%? 75%? 100%? Even at 50%, that 750,000,000 MILLION tax payer dollars in 12 years. --edited.


Nitsho: Posted: August 8, 2014 12:04 p.m.

I forgot NSD's 35M bond from 1999....
http://scvhistory.com/scvhistory/lw2534.htm

This amount of money is gross.

Living on borrowed money.


Lotus8: Posted: August 8, 2014 1:12 p.m.

What we really need to do is vote for members of congress and the office of president who pledge to do away with the ability of public employees to unionize. I am all for unions when the employer is a private entity, as the private entity is run by a self interested party trying to make a profit who will vigorously fight for his own side. In the case of public employees, their bosses are politicians who simply want to avoid conflict and bad press at all costs. So the unions donate to all of the democrat politicians and then run ads against the republicans calling them racist and uncaring. If a principled democrat gets the notion that perhaps what the unions are doing (bilking the public) is not right, the unions squish said democrat and run an opposition candidate the very next election cycle.

Until public employees aren't allowed to unionize, this problem will never be solved (and neither will our budgetary mess).


Lotus8: Posted: August 8, 2014 1:15 p.m.

The scam is going to continue until the problem is dealt with at its core. Cutting off our nose to spite our face in the SCV isn't going to make a dent. It will simply put us all in a bad spot.


Indy: Posted: August 8, 2014 10:00 p.m.

Tech wrote: Until school districts control their largest expense, i.e. labor costs and pensions, I will vote no on every single school bond proposal. The ratio of administrators to educators is maladjusted and requires reform.

Indy: And what is that ratio . . . remembering it’s ‘defined by law’?


Indy: Posted: August 8, 2014 10:07 p.m.

chefgirl358 wrote: You're not in "need" of a bond measure. You're in need of someone who can make you live within your budgeted means like the rest of us.

Indy: I’ve heard this RNC ‘focus group tested’ slogan from conservative ideologues my entire life.

In CA, any family can send ‘unlimited’ children to our k-12 public school system while they pay a ‘fixed’ tax rate.

Think about that . . . ‘unlimited’ and ‘fixed’.

Yet do I see any conservatives campaigning on limiting the ‘demands’ place on public services? Nope.

And then we see conservatives even today arguing for higher ‘child tax credits’ when these distort the tax based by letting people ‘demand more and pay less’.

Think about that . . . ‘demand more and pay less’. That’s fiscal insanity.

What the politicians do is indeed as the poster suggested . . . they let the ‘service’ level to the student ‘fall’ based on tax revenues.

And the current set of politicians keep ‘running’ on quality education unaware that the existing tax policies don’t work and have produced an education system in CA that now ‘only’ drops out about 1 kid in 5 versus the 1 in 4 the last 30 years or so . . .

Running any organization on the ratings of ideologues is doomed to failure as we can ‘see’ . . . .

So while living within your ‘personal’ budget is good advice, suggesting that works with public services with the ability to demand ‘unlimited’ seats in schools is insanity.


Indy: Posted: August 8, 2014 10:12 p.m.

chefgirl358 wrote: I am done with these people constantly trying to take more and more and more money from us and end up using the money for a bunch of bs, like the LAUSD billion dollar IPAD debacle, …

Indy: In fairness to the poster, they get ideology recitals from both parties that ‘separate’ the cost of the ‘demands’ versus the income of the taxpayers.

In other words, politicians ‘promise’ quality education but distort the funding mechanism (think unlimited demands and fixed tax rates).

As far as the IPAD issue with the LAUSD, I’m not surprised that many conservatives are unhappy that the overwhelming number of ‘poor kids’ that attend LAUSD shouldn’t be allowed to have the same ‘high technology’ that the kids of the wealthy provide.

Sadly, Americans don’t want to pay for what they demand from government so we’re lost in this ‘partisan tax shell game’ where some benefit and many don’t in public education.


Indy: Posted: August 8, 2014 10:20 p.m.

Nitsho wrote: SUCCESSFUL SCHOOL BOND MEASURES (http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/125400/)Measure E (2002): $48 million bond for the Saugus Union School DistrictMeasure SA (2008): $300 million bond for the William S. Hart Union High School DistrictMeasure E (2011): $60 million bond for the Newhall School DistrictMeasure CK (2012): $72 million bond for the Sulphur Springs School DistrictMeasure QS (2012): $51 million bond for the Castaic Union School DistrictThat's 531,000,000. in 12 years. Current population of the city is approx 175,000http://www.santa-clarita.com/index.aspx?page=574

Indy: So let’s do ‘some math’:

So $531 million over 12 years is about $44 million per year.

$44 million by 203,000 residents is: $216 per resident.
(note: Santa Clarita is the third largest city in Los Angeles County with a population of 203,323 in December 2012. See: http://www.santa-clarita.com/index.aspx?page=574)

So a family of four here would be paying about $864 per year for improvement to the infrastructure of the local community schools.

Nitsho wrote: 1/2 a BILLION dollars in 12 years to educate a population of 175,000...How much of that was matching state funds? 25%? 50%? 75%? 100%? Even at 50%, that 750,000,000 MILLION tax payer dollars in 12 years. --edited.

Indy: I’m not sure about the matching funds . . . but classrooms for our students don’t just ‘drop out of the sky’.

And sadly, politicians of both parties are very good at ‘deferring maintenance’ on schools . . . better to promise ‘lower taxes’ while the facilities fall apart that confront the public and get a recital like we see here with this poster.

So the politicians are just ‘hiding’ from the reality . . . and distorting the message to the public.

Do you want your kids attending ‘run down’ facilities?

Is it worth the $864 per year per family of four to have better facilities?


Nitsho: Posted: August 8, 2014 10:20 p.m.

Indy. The iPad debacle has nothing to do with the poor kids despite how badly you want it to be. It's about the poor planning by lausd thinking they were due a discount and not untitled to it causing the costs to go up well beyond what was planned. NSD just bought 2000 laptops for this year...2000. How much do you think that will cost them over time as they are dropped, get malware, etc. Corps pay a lot in maintenance and upkeep for user laptops.

Sometimes Indy...it's not about poor kids. It's about using good judgement and tossing good money after bad.

Even the teachers were against it. http://www.padgadget.com/2014/03/19/latest-lausd-drama-teachers-upset-about-1-billion-ipad-program-want-repairs-instead/ --edited.


Nitsho: Posted: August 8, 2014 10:26 p.m.

Indy. The 531m is just bond money..plus matching funds...plus general funds. With a k-12 population about 100k, that's a lot of money to be in the low 40's in the US.


Indy: Posted: August 8, 2014 10:26 p.m.

Lotus8 wrote: Meanwhile, the teachers who get outrageous pensions and health care on top of a decent salary for a job that gives them months and months of vacation and no chance of being fired are always clamoring for more money.

Indy: What numbers for the pensions are you using to make the assertion you did?

And have you even taught in a classroom?

Do you know what’s at stake having some 30+ students in each of your five classes per day being charged not only with their education, but compensating for the lack of parental guidance in manners and decorum?

Have you any idea that teachers that work 8 hour days during the school year adding some 3 hours a day for lesson plans and grading work . . . not to mention teacher/student meetings with parents?

Or how about the added time they spend keeping their credentials up to date or researching new knowledge to be placed in their lectures?

Before you rifle off your conservative list of teacher complaints you might want to sit down and think about it first.


Indy: Posted: August 8, 2014 10:37 p.m.

Nitsho wrote: Indy. The iPad debacle has nothing to do with the poor kids despite how badly you want it to be. It's about the poor planning by lausd thinking they were due a discount and not untitled to it causing the costs to go up well beyond what was planned. NSD just bought 2000 laptops for this year...2000. How much do you think that will cost them over time as they are dropped, get malware, etc. Corps pay a lot in maintenance and upkeep for user laptops.

Sometimes Indy...it's not about poor kids. It's about using good judgement and tossing good money after bad.

Indy: I’m sympathetic to issue of management in our government knowing we have the best schools of management on earth here in the US.

I also know that we have educational committees in both the Assembly and Senate.

But what were the main issues with the IPAD roll out your asserting created the problem?

How as that resolved or not?

This article covers the complaints: http://digital.hechingerreport.org/content/the-inside-story-on-la-schools-ipad-rollout-a-colossal-disaster_914/

If you wish to discuss them, then let’s do so . . .

We can also consider why the LAUSD didn’t run this by the Senate and Assembly Education committee members or did they?

And why weren’t the poor kids in LAUSD given the ‘quality education’ expertise to make the roll out more successful?

Finally, I find it puzzling with Apple being such a huge supporter of using their devices in public schools didn’t help the district with the roll out including the security issues. Why do you suppose this for profit company didn’t help especially with the money their making on the project?


Indy: Posted: August 8, 2014 10:46 p.m.

Nitsho wrote: Indy. The 531m is just bond money..plus matching funds...plus general funds. With a k-12 population about 100k, that's a lot of money to be in the low 40's in the US.

Indy: Well, did the districts get the matching funds?

And let’s assume they did and the total amount ‘doubled’ the total investment.

Then, the cost for the family of four is now $1,720 per family of four per year.

That’s works out to about to less than $5 a day for a family with kids in public education here in SCV-land. Is that too high a cost to pay?

Likewise, what about the deferred maintenance issue?

Or that schools are far more costly to design due to earthquake safety requirements for the students.

Is $5 per day per family of four worth that safety?

It’s easy to thrown around ‘big numbers’ but at the end of the day, the cost is relatively ‘low’.

Yet, if people fight the cost . . . then who really suffers?

But I’ll agree that the local boards and our legislators do an extremely poor job in informing you of these issues I raised here . . . they are far more sensitive to comply with the government ideology of the majority party here to properly explain and defend the costs to you, the taxpayer.

I’d like to see a ballot where the $5 per family of four per year was stated as such and see how many people either supported that or not . . .

I do know the district does polling here for bond measures and I’ve had those phone calls through the years.


tech: Posted: August 9, 2014 12:20 a.m.

"Until public employees aren't allowed to unionize, this problem will never be solved (and neither will our budgetary mess)." - Lotus8

End compulusary union dues and public sector union extortion self-terminates. It's coming.


therightstuff: Posted: August 9, 2014 1:20 a.m.

Indy: """I’ve heard this RNC ‘focus group tested’ slogan from conservative ideologues my entire life."""

And you've whined about them your entire life. Time for a new schtick.


tech: Posted: August 9, 2014 11:41 a.m.

"Is it worth the $864 per year per family of four to have better facilities?" - Indy

"In 2013, the USA spent $11,193 per student in primary education compared to the OECD average of $7974." - tech


chefgirl358: Posted: August 9, 2014 9:31 p.m.

Indy,

I could care less if the LAUSD kids are poor or not, that is NOT the issue. The issue is they can't meet the most basic needs for their students, scammed everyone into voting for a bs bond and then jacked them by buying iPads with poorly designed software and a totally unorganized manner for tracking, distributing, training, and teaching with them in every possible way. They could have bought comparable quality tablets that cost FAR less and spent the rest of the money on what they should've spent it on to begin with...basic needs of the students and schools in general.

In regards to your child tax credit statement, I wish they'd get rid of that scam completely! We have too many people. Period. We should not be providing incentives to have them. I also don't think school will continue to be free for everyone forever. I believe people will have to start coughing up a lot more dough for their kids schooling at some point in the future. And that would be fine with me, just another thing to dis-incentivize having kids and keep populations from growing and keep people from mooching with that ridiculous free lunch program everyone is LAUSD us on.


Indy: Posted: August 11, 2014 4:12 p.m.

chefgirl358 wrote: The issue is they can't meet the most basic needs for their students, scammed everyone into voting for a bs bond and then jacked them by buying iPads with poorly designed software and a totally unorganized manner for tracking, distributing, training, and teaching with them in every possible way. They could have bought comparable quality tablets that cost FAR less and spent the rest of the money on what they should've spent it on to begin with...basic needs of the students and schools in general.

Indy: Why do you think Apple failed to provide the necessary security software to the LAUAD for these Ipads?

chefgirl358 wrote: In regards to your child tax credit statement, I wish they'd get rid of that scam completely! We have too many people. Period. We should not be providing incentives to have them. I also don't think school will continue to be free for everyone forever. I believe people will have to start coughing up a lot more dough for their kids schooling at some point in the future. And that would be fine with me, just another thing to dis-incentivize having kids and keep populations from growing and keep people from mooching with that ridiculous free lunch program everyone is LAUSD us on.

Indy: On this we agree . . . but why do you suppose religious conservatives overwhelmingly like the child credit tax deduction?

Are they oblivious to the ‘cost’ of the demands for having large families in the tax base?

Why do you suppose these folks can't associate the problem with having 'unlimited demands' on 'fixed' tax rates


tech: Posted: August 11, 2014 10:55 p.m.

Indy: Why do you suppose these folks can't associate the problem with having 'unlimited demands' on 'fixed' tax rates

Most taxes are based on percentages. Federal and state taxes in CA are indexed. Growth in economic activity generates more tax revenue. How are taxes "fixed"?


ricketzz: Posted: August 12, 2014 9:43 a.m.

Is our population of school age kids growing? How rapidly?

ipads are a waste of money. They are fashion accessories with a computer attached. Schools would do much better with generic Linux tablets. The kids can fix them themselves. Apple is a closed ecosystem where students have very limited control of their environment. It is a bad example to give them during the formative years.


tech: Posted: August 12, 2014 10:38 p.m.

The primary school population is declining.

iPads in schools are a waste of money. As to the rest, you have no idea of what you're talking about, ricketzz. "Linux tablets", LOL!


Unreal: Posted: August 13, 2014 2:07 p.m.

Not a penny more!


ricketzz: Posted: August 14, 2014 10:40 a.m.

Android is Linux, LOL. Ubuntu has a great tablet OS. There are literally hundreds of suitable distros. The future is Open Source. Always has been.


tech: Posted: August 15, 2014 12:22 p.m.

Linux ≠ Android. If you think the Linux kernel equates to a mature mobile OS, I can't help you. Google has spent tens of billions developing Android for the purpose of driving mobile users to their advertising platform while collecting analytics from the installed base.

I'd imagine the failed WebOS has a greater installed base than a Ubuntu tablet distro. iOS is the dominant tablet OS by a considerable margin.

Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary
Android is open—except for all the good parts.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/



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