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Betty Arenson: Citizens are not safe in this country

Posted: July 25, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: July 25, 2014 2:00 a.m.
 

A country and its citizens are not safe when the country lacks leadership. When that lack is repeatedly punctuated with one scandal and crisis after another, there is valid reason for grave concern.

The magnitude of incompetence of this administration is nearly impossible to comprehend. When calculating the events facing us today, it’s astonishing to see such disheartening and frightening enumeration.

Obama supporters will view it as unfair, unimportant or simply untrue. That kind of mind-set is one basic reason why the list is becoming a scroll.

The tally is not intended to be trite and the content is undeniable:

  •  The nation’s highest law-enforcement officer, Attorney General Eric Holder, unashamedly announces he will follow only the laws he agrees with;
  •  Holder’s Fast and Furious gun-running operation carelessly supplied weapons to deadly hoodlums whereby at least two Americans were murdered;
  •  Obamacare’s massive health care destruction;
  •  Benghazi murders;
  •  NSA spying making enemies around the world (Germany) and heightening American citizen’s distrust of their government;
  •  The IRS’s continuous stacking of scandal upon scandal;
  •  The Veterans Administration “cooking the books,” resulting in a threatening lack of medical care and, worse, deaths;
  •  The Syrian gas murders with the “red line” wimp-out;
  •  Russia’s brazen takeover of the Ukraine;
  •  The bartering of (arguably) military deserter Bowe Bergdahl for five proven dangerous terrorists who now roam free to execute further mass-murder plans;
  •  President Obama’s’ repeat dance on Putin’s puppet strings on the Malaysian airliner blown out of the sky;
  •  Obama’s similar dance with Iran’s leaders; we unfreeze their assets and they continue their nuclear enrichments;
  •  Iraq is past simmer and onto boil due to bad planning;
  •  This administration has told the world it is downsizing and weakening our military when we are living in the most dangerous time most of us can recall;
  •  American citizens are protesting in the streets to save their communities, absent legal protection they are owed under the U.S. Constitution and our land of laws, while Obama unapologetically and frequently attends fundraisers with the “1 percent” he professes to despise;
  •  Tens of thousands of illegal people are flooding across our southern border, unfettered, while U.S. Marine Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi agonizes in a Mexican jail with zero rights;
  •  This administration’s support of Israel is at whisper level with hollow words calling for the warring to stop.

Tiny Israel is alone in its fight for its life, literally, while universal media propaganda erroneously sides with the Palestinians who are clear the only resolution they seek is having every Israeli wiped off the face of the Earth.

It is staggering to watch this nation’s’ elected leader show up as a Johnny-come-lately to powerful and crucial events.

The usual headline is that he is “outraged”; he will investigate to get to the bottom of it and will hold someone accountable, therefore he cannot pass judgment at the early stages.

However, he easily abandons that stance when convenient.

He did so in 2009 when he swiftly accused the Cambridge, Massachusetts, police of “acting stupidly” and pointedly referenced racism in the arrest of his insolent friend, Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., and again in the Trayvon Martin case.

Not one topic has been thoroughly investigated, let alone resolved — there isn’t even a hint of one solution but for the common call for more money.

That call then circles back as “I-would-if-I-could, but those heartless Republicans in Congress won’t give me the funding, therefore it is not my fault or the fault of Democrats.”

Any claim of phony scandals is worse than disingenuous.

It is the Left’s way of dismissing anything and everything that looks bad for them.

Their lack of concern, including for their own, appears as if they see themselves living in a perceived Candy Land where none of the aforementioned situations will ever reach their doorsteps.

We don’t hear of any of them losing their preferred health plans, or their doctors of choice; nor do we see San Francisco, Pacific Palisades, Brentwood, Beverly Hills, Malibu, etc., welcoming busloads of illegal immigrants of all ages with a mixture of gang members and disease-ridden, frightened children.

Why are Republicans defined as hating children and breaking up families to send illegal immigrants back to their origins, when now we are told America must admit children because (1) their parents have broken up their own families to send their kids here or (2) their separated families are already here and they must be reunited?

We have two and a half years to go with no leadership in sight.

Betty Arenson is a Valencia resident and has lived in the Santa Clarita Valley since 1968. She is active in a local Republican club. “Right Here, Right Now” appears Fridays in The Signal and rotates among Santa Clarita Valley Republicans.

 

Comments

ricketzz: Posted: July 25, 2014 9:59 a.m.

Betty has quite a matrix of hate going there. How do you keep it all so organized; is there a web site with that list of grievances?

You miss the glaring fact that as we squabble over trivia we are being robbed of our birthright. The oligarchs want us fighting. Why do you do their bidding?


therightstuff: Posted: July 25, 2014 10:25 a.m.

ricketzz...you're sixth grade education is showing again. Duhhhhh....you're just a hater! Really? That's the best you've got?

Great column Betty. I'll need my calculator to count how many times your detractors will use the name "Bush" as their only defense of Barack Obama.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 25, 2014 10:28 a.m.

Facts are "hate", ricketzz?

Wow.


therightstuff: Posted: July 25, 2014 10:40 a.m.

There's a great column in this week's National Revue in which Obama is quoted every time he "would not rest" until something was done. I've provided the link of the full article at the bottom for all the quotes. This is just a taste. It's both funny and sad to hear these empty promises and lies. If only he spent as much time keeping his promises as he does fund raising.

April 9, 2009: “We will not rest until we reach a day when not one single veteran falls into homelessness.”

July 31, 2009: “I will not rest until every American who wants a job can find one.”

November 23, 2009: “I will not rest until businesses are investing again and businesses are hiring again and people have work again.”

December 28, 2009: “A full investigation has been launched into this attempted act of terrorism and we will not rest until we find all who were involved and hold them accountable.”

January 28, 2010: “We will not rest until we build an economy that’s ready for America’s future.”

September 16, 2010: “We will not rest until we have accounted for the missing members of our armed forces.”

October 8, 2010: “We will not rest in our efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al-Qaeda.”

June 8, 2011: “So long as tens of millions of people live with this devastating disease, and so long as nearly 2 million people die from AIDS-related diseases every year, we cannot and will not rest.”

July 2012: “The VA and DOD will work harder towards a seamless transition so new veterans aren’t just piled on to the backlog. And we will not rest — I will not be satisfied until we get this right.”

September 15, 2012, discussing the Benghazi attack: “We have moved forward with an effort to see that justice is done for those we lost, and we will not rest until that work is done.”

September 22, 2013: “We have to make this a country where anybody who works hard can earn their way into the middle class. And until we do, we will not let up and we will not rest, no matter how much resistance we get.”

October 26, 2013: “The security of health care is not a privilege for a fortunate few, but a right for every one of us to enjoy. We have already delivered on part of that promise, and we will not rest until the work is done.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/383444/no-rest-wicked-jim-geraghty --edited.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 25, 2014 10:57 a.m.

In that spirit, I'll link Krauthammer's column in yesterday's WaPo:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-the-vacant-presidency/2014/07/24/0b110fdc-1363-11e4-9285-4243a40ddc97_story.html

"The Vacant Presidency"


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BrianBaker: Posted: July 25, 2014 11:30 a.m.

Nitesho, what did she write that was untrue?

Are you objecting to her facts, or her style?


philellis: Posted: July 25, 2014 11:43 a.m.

Just her.


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BrianBaker: Posted: July 25, 2014 12:13 p.m.

Just trying to get clarification. Okay, it's basically a "style" issue. I was wondering because I couldn't find anything actually inaccurate in her statement of facts.

I absolutely understand. In fact, it's one of the reasons why I never cared for Limbaugh or Hannity either. It's along the lines of what I wrote in my Guest Column of yesterday: a bunch of "red meat" thrown out there that appeals to part of the "base" but is meaningless as any real part of an actual solution to the problem.

Thanks for the clarification.



Nitesho: Posted: July 25, 2014 12:22 p.m.

NP Brian. I loved your column yesterday. That's how points should be expressed.

Not in these Hannity/Limbaugh/Maddow(actually, she's not that bad)/Matthews diatribes. They are about as useless as tits on a bull.


tech: Posted: July 25, 2014 12:31 p.m.

Others may recall that Ms. Arenson described those, like myself, as "cowards" for not using their legal names on internet forums.

I concur that restricting opinions to criticism of others without offering a balance of constructive ideas or examples is thin gruel designed for political animals.

Kevin Buck and Charlie Vignola author simplistic screeds of this class exclusively. While Ms. Arenson has the benefit of facts not of her own making, focusing solely on the faults of individuals and groups does not persuade.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 25, 2014 12:41 p.m.

Thanks for the kind words, Nitesho. I appreciate them.


therightstuff: Posted: July 25, 2014 1:38 p.m.

You guys are illustrating one of the major differences between conservatives and liberals. Could you ever imagine the same kind of criticism from the left for Charlie Vignola or Kevin Buck?

Which leaves me scratching my head why not a single Democrat has expressed concern about what's going on at the IRS. This should be a bi-partisan issue that BOTH sides would want resolved.


Indy: Posted: July 25, 2014 1:47 p.m.

therightstuff wrote: indy: """I suggest that anyone who doesn’t swallow the Fox ‘innuendo and speculation’ go to this station, listen to the ‘anchors’"""

Indy: """For a really excellent recap of the Libya incident and one that discredits completely the ‘innuendo and speculation’ recited by this poster, read: The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013) It answers ‘every question’ . . ."""

Indy: Yep . . .


Indy: Posted: July 25, 2014 2:05 p.m.

ricketzz wrote: Betty has quite a matrix of hate going there. How do you keep it all so organized; is there a web site with that list of grievances?

Indy: I’ve asked for the websites from these folks but they usually won’t disclose them . . . I guess fearing that hard core conservative ideology based sites they visit would discredit them . . . and they would be ‘right’ (pun intended).

But let’s hope Tech ‘man ups’ and discloses his educational background . . . that will be a real eye-opener!


hepnerkid: Posted: July 25, 2014 2:16 p.m.

I do not believe that David Brock or the Huffington Post are credible sources for anything. If you wanted to check the validity of a story, there are any numbers of credible people that are available. Brock makes up most of what he writes or simply rehashes obama talking points. His article and the book he has written that is not selling by the way, only reflects his opinion about something that he really does not understand. We have been led by an incompetent and at every turn there is more evidence. Take another shot, Indy.


Indy: Posted: July 25, 2014 2:21 p.m.

I think this list is better suited for this thread since it ‘levels up’ the ‘fair and balanced’ approach missing from the Op-ed writer’s perspective:

A better approach is to see what Obama has actually done while ‘on the job’:

- Passed sweeping heath care reform that GOP has talked about for 40 years and did nothing

- percentagewise more Americans are insured for health care than prior to Obama taking office

- Seen the stock market fully recover from disastrous conservative ideology positions practiced by Bush W

- Reversed job loss to the point that we’ve got more people working than when he entered office . . . including ‘years’ of constant job growth

- Getting us out from two ill-conceived and poorly planned wars by Bush/Cheney financed on the backs of our children

- Trying to deal with climate change legislation that is fought vigorously by republicans as a proxy group for the fossil fuel industry


Indy: Posted: July 25, 2014 2:25 p.m.

Op-ed writer: Benghazi murders;

Therightstuff wrote: Hortonen: """When Obama has Benghazi with 4 dead..."""

Indy: And let’s finish Gary’s sentence that the poster ignores “…, Bush had 9-11 with 3,000 dead. No impeachment for incompetence there.”

I go further and give you the list of Bush W:

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13333916-number-of-embassies-attacked-during-the-bush-years-before-benghazi-many

Like in 2002 when the US Consulate in the Karachi, Pakistan, was attacked and 10 were killed?

Or in 2004 when the US embassy in Uzbekistan was attacked and two were killed and another
nine injured?

How about in 2004, when the US Consulate in Saudi Arabia was stormed and 8 lost their lives?

There is more: In 2006, armed men attacked the US Embassy in Syria and one was murdered.

Then in 2007 a grenade was thrown at the US Embassy in Athens.

In 2008, the US Embassy in Serbia was set on fire.

In 2008, bombings in the US Embassy in Yemen killed 10.

Indy: Interestingly the GOP tried to cut funding for the embassies and consulates as this was all going on . . .

Isn’t the blind ‘anti-tax’ strategy by conservatives really the cause of feeling unsafe?

And is the policy of ‘perpetual’ war put forth by republicans that doesn’t address the global socioeconomic factors creating the unrest really the cause of the fear that Betty has?


therightstuff: Posted: July 25, 2014 2:36 p.m.

Indy: """I’ve asked for the websites from these folks but they usually won’t disclose them . . ."""

Please disclose for us David Brock's answer to why Barack Obama and his administration told the American people for TWO WEEKS that the murders in Benghazi were the result of a spontaneous reaction to a video when he knew within 24 hours that it was a terrorist attack.

Also, please disclose for us what Fox News is reporting that is factually inaccurate.

Please, spare us the personal insults, the childish labels, and your list of what George Bush did 12 years ago....

Why do you keep dodging my simple questions?


therightstuff: Posted: July 25, 2014 2:41 p.m.

Indy, we also noticed you didn't provide links to any of your claims about Obama's accomplishments. Most Americans don't believe Obama is honest so we need independent verification of you claims. Can you provide legitimate websites to prove what you're saying - not the far-left dogma you usually post.

So we're asking you to practice what you're preaching about providing websites. What are you waiting for?


BrianBaker: Posted: July 25, 2014 2:44 p.m.

TRS: "... when he knew within 24 hours that it was a terrorist attack."


They knew it at the time it was happening. The military had real-time video being downloaded DURING the attack clearly showing mortars and squad automatic weapons in use...... WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING.



AlwaysRight: Posted: July 25, 2014 3:28 p.m.

Indy- I believe you created a "catalogue" of all the perceived injustices of the right just a day or two ago. Perhaps you forget?


therightstuff: Posted: July 25, 2014 3:51 p.m.

Brian, I keep asking Indy to give us David Brock's explanation for why Obama and his administration kept giving a different story for two weeks after the Benghazi terrorist attack happened but he keeps dodging my question.

As I predicted, if Obama would deliberately lie about four dead Americans in a terrorist attack, what else would he lie about?

...."If you like your insurance, you can keep it. Period!"

...."There's not one smidgen of corruption at the IRS"

Let's see if Indy will finally "MAN UP" and give us David Brock's answer to the video narrative that went on for two weeks after the terrorist attack.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 25, 2014 4:02 p.m.

Don't hold your breath.

Unless you LIKE being Smurf-blue...


OldReliable: Posted: July 25, 2014 4:25 p.m.

Betty Arenson, I would urge you to disregard any commentary here by the left wing; your work is exemplary as usual. Some of these people cannot handle the truth.


hopeful: Posted: July 25, 2014 5:28 p.m.

Indy wrote: "But let’s hope Tech ‘man ups’ and discloses his educational background . . . that will be a real eye-opener!"

Wow, you really do have a sick fascination, but if anyone needs to man-up, it isn't Tech...


Indy: Posted: July 25, 2014 5:56 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Please, spare us the personal insults, the childish labels, and ....

Indy: You shouldn’t talk about yourself in that manner.

But I do agree that your condescending rhetoric heer is ‘un-Christian’ like . . . but hey, it’s your words . . . say what you want . . . that’s how freedom actually works.

Therightstuff wrote: Why do you keep dodging my simple questions?

Indy: It’s all right here . . . The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013)

As I previously, noted, it answers ‘every question’ . . . enjoy!


Indy: Posted: July 25, 2014 5:57 p.m.

AlwaysRight wrote: Indy- I believe you created a "catalogue" of all the perceived injustices of the right just a day or two ago. Perhaps you forget?

Indy: No, just adding ‘context’ to the Op-ed writer’s ‘list’ . . . making the thread ‘more fair and balanced’, no?

We’ll be digging into those list as we move to November . . .


Indy: Posted: July 25, 2014 5:59 p.m.

OldReliable wrote: Betty Arenson, I would urge you to disregard any commentary here by the left wing; your work is exemplary as usual. Some of these people cannot handle the truth.

Indy: Yes, I can see you like the old soviet method of ‘one way or the highway’! LOL . . .


Indy: Posted: July 25, 2014 6:01 p.m.

Hopeful wrote: Indy wrote: "But let’s hope Tech ‘man ups’ and discloses his educational background . . . that will be a real eye-opener!"

Wow, you really do have a sick fascination, but if anyone needs to man-up, it isn't Tech...

Indy: No more than the sick fascination that the conservatives have here with Obama, no?

But in fact, this guy holds himself out as a successful businessman yet holds on to a failing libertarian market fundamentalist ideology.

It hasn’t bothered me to reveal that information, why do you think he doesn’t?


Indy: Posted: July 25, 2014 6:03 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy, we also noticed you didn't provide links to any of your claims about Obama's accomplishments. Most Americans don't believe Obama is honest so we need independent verification of you claims. Can you provide legitimate websites to prove what you're saying - not the far-left dogma you usually post.

Indy: I’ll give you a hint . . . this stuff isn’t reported on Fox . . . I guess that’s your main issue.

But just reading the news from the various sources . . . get the ‘full picture’ . . . you’ll feel better and have actual ‘factual’ information versus the ‘innuendo and speculation’ used as a proxy for ‘news’ at Fox.

The world is out there just waiting for you . . . go get it! What are you waiting for?


therightstuff: Posted: July 25, 2014 6:20 p.m.

Indy: """It’s all right here . . . The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013) As I previously, noted, it answers ‘every question’ . . . enjoy!"""

OK...we have to ask...have you actually read this, Indy? If you read it, why can't you answer my question? If not, how do you know that it answers 'every question'.

You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper with David Brock. Honesty is always the best policy. Please answer my question.



More Indy: """The world is out there just waiting for you . . . go get it! What are you waiting for?"""

I'm waiting for you to show us what Fox News is reporting that is factually inaccurate. What are YOU waiting for? Integrity beckons....


OldReliable: Posted: July 25, 2014 6:51 p.m.

Hilarious and most interesting how Nitsho, an obvious liberal, kisses up to conservatives Baker & TRS while hammering conservative Arenson so is there something personal going on here? Something to consider....


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Nitesho: Posted: July 25, 2014 8:19 p.m.

Indy...are you really quoting media matters? Really? Even you have to admit it's really not a reliable news source.


therightstuff: Posted: July 25, 2014 8:21 p.m.

OR, the only thing I thought odd was when Nitesho said posters like Indy and ricketzz make concessions in the debate. I've never seen Indy make a concession despite being shown overwhelming facts, links, websites, videos and tons of proof. Obama loyalists have one filter in life - Barack Obama.

Also not sure Nitesho is an obvious liberal:


Nitesho: Posted: July 24, 2014 9:09 a.m.

Unfortunately, it's (history) is controlled by the liberal teachers and professors that fail to TEACH history. They editorialize, apologize and ignore facts. I read my kids history books and they are fill with errors, omissions and sometimes, outright lies. 40 years of indoctrination has lowered the standards of American from #1 to just another country in the nations alphabet soup.


Nitesho: Posted: July 25, 2014 8:24 p.m.

Oh and OldReliable...do you really want to get involved in thiis?

I'm assuming you know her in some capacity and I'm assuming you know me or of me so let's cut to the chase here.

Either speak your peace or get out of this. I assure you, the last place you want to be is in the middle which makes you no better than her...especially after this afternoon.

Agree with her methods all you want but if you want to play games here, I'm all for it. --edited.


therightstuff: Posted: July 25, 2014 8:24 p.m.

"""Indy...are you really quoting media matters? Really? Even you have to admit it's really not a reliable news source."""

Never, ever, ever. He quotes from MSNBC, Huffington Post, Media Matters, and even some far-left outfit called Fark News....all the while lecturing everyone else about the evils of Fox News.

But ask him to provide evidence of what Fox News is reporting that is factually inaccurate and all you get is name-calling and childish labels.


Nitesho: Posted: July 25, 2014 8:26 p.m.

It's was scarcasm about Indy TRS :) --edited.


Nitesho: Posted: July 25, 2014 8:30 p.m.

TRS. He said this earlier....

Indy: It’s all right here . . . The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013)


tech: Posted: July 25, 2014 8:38 p.m.

Hopeful:

Thanks for your supportive observation. I recall, specifically, that Indy's denigrating and personal attacks on participants in these forums had caused you to participate less than you would otherwise be inclined. That bothered me.

Personally, I have a particular distaste for obnoxious bullies and from a very young age have taken them on intellectually and, on occasion, physically to protect others from their abuse. At the core, they are weak and fold when confronted in real life, especially when separated from their gang.

Indy is the quintessential passive/aggressive beta male. I have drawn his personalized invective because I've been particularly effective in undermining his "arguments" with logic, statistical data and historical facts.

I, too, found his exhortation to "man ups" particularly amusing.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 25, 2014 8:43 p.m.

Tech: "I, too, found his exhortation to 'man ups' particularly amusing."

I consider them hilarious. Kinda like the bug challenging the truck, just before it ends up squashed on the windshield.


tech: Posted: July 25, 2014 8:57 p.m.

Nitesho certainly isn't a liberal in the modern sense and can certainly defend himself without my assistance.

As I noted above, I found Ms. Arenson's aspersions on internet privacy illogical. Additionally, the intervention she detailed in her LTE entitled "An open letter to the SCV Sheriff’s Station" stuck me as self-important interference in an official police investigation regarding an accident she hadn't witnessed.

That said, personal conflict shouldn't be a factor in evaluation of discussion on another topic.


Indy: Posted: July 25, 2014 9:19 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """It’s all right here . . . The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013) As I previously, noted, it answers ‘every question’ . . . enjoy!"""

OK...we have to ask...have you actually read this, Indy? If you read it, why can't you answer my question? If not, how do you know that it answers 'every question'.

Indy: I’m not invested in this ‘innuendo speculative’ fantasy about the Libya incident as you . . . and other Fox worshipers are . . .

But why not give us a ‘blow by blow’ on these events:

“Like in 2002 when the US Consulate in the Karachi, Pakistan, was attacked and 10 were killed?

Or in 2004 when the US embassy in Uzbekistan was attacked and two were killed and another
nine injured?

How about in 2004, when the US Consulate in Saudi Arabia was stormed and 8 lost their lives?

There is more: In 2006, armed men attacked the US Embassy in Syria and one was murdered.

Then in 2007 a grenade was thrown at the US Embassy in Athens.

In 2008, the US Embassy in Serbia was set on fire.

In 2008, bombings in the US Embassy in Yemen killed 10.”

What are you waiting for?


Indy: Posted: July 25, 2014 9:28 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: More Indy: """The world is out there just waiting for you . . . go get it! What are you waiting for?"""

I'm waiting for you to show us what Fox News is reporting that is factually inaccurate. What are YOU waiting for? Integrity beckons....

Indy: Thankfully, somebody has already started the list:

30 reasons why Fox News is not legit 30 reasons why Fox News is not legit
Column ››› October 27, 2009

And this issue is still a favorite and shows Fox ‘news’ ‘policy’ . . .

Why did the Fox news channel sue for the right to lie?
http://www.law-forums.org/why-did-the-fox-news-channel-sue-for-the-right-to-lie-t25159.html
by hackett » Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:15 am
Jane Akre and her husband Steve Wilson are former employees of Fox owned-and-operated station WTVT in Tampa, Florida. In 1997, they were fired from the station after refusing to knowingly include false information in their report concerning the Monsanto Company's production of RBGH, a drug designed to make cows produce more milk. They successfully sued under Florida's whistle blower law and were awarded a US $425,000 settlement by jury decision. However, Fox appealed to an appellate court and won, after the court declared that the FCC policy against falsification that Fox violated was just a policy and not a "law, rule, or regulation", and so the whistle blower law did not apply.


Indy: Posted: July 25, 2014 9:34 p.m.

Nitesho wrote: Indy...are you really quoting media matters? Really? Even you have to admit it's really not a reliable news source.

Indy: I’ve noticed through the years that conservatives are clever to degrade any media outlet that doesn’t march lock step with them on their ideology positions.

Thus, the entire ‘mainstream’ news service is discredited by them.

But I’ll be more than happy to discuss any issue versus just another recital about a news source.

I do find that that Fox has habitually distorted their ‘news’ by ‘framing’ it in conservative talking points.

Is that fair and balanced?

But always open to examples . . . please let me know what I referenced that was false and misleading . . .

And I do appreciate your candor with Betty . . . she’s one of the base conservative flamethrowers out there . . . and fits right in with the religious conservative base here in SCV-land.

I just try to provide 'some balance' to her assertions . . .


Indy: Posted: July 25, 2014 9:37 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: OR, the only thing I thought odd was when Nitesho said posters like Indy and ricketzz make concessions in the debate. I've never seen Indy make a concession despite being shown overwhelming facts, links, websites, videos and tons of proof. Obama loyalists have one filter in life - Barack Obama.

Indy: I guess it’s worthwhile to stroke your own ego . . . forgetting that this poster remains economically ignorant on most issues.

And ‘for sure’ he will never accept anything that disagrees with his religious conservative ideology beliefs.

He calls people ‘liars’ that disagree with these beliefs and just looks silly doing so . . .

But again, the ‘overwhelming facts’ from conservative ideology media outlets is his greatest weakness.

I’m just here trying to help him . . . see the light of day . . . if you will.


tech: Posted: July 25, 2014 9:43 p.m.

Indy: I’ve noticed through the years that conservatives are clever to degrade any media outlet that doesn’t march lock step with them on their ideology positions.

Indy: Yes, the Cato Institute (The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C.) will understandably advocate libertarian ideology and viewpoints . . . Posted: July 11, 2014 4:59 p.m. http://www.signalscv.com/section/33/article/123470/


Indy: Posted: July 25, 2014 9:44 p.m.

Tech wrote: Hopeful: Thanks for your supportive observation. I recall, specifically, that Indy's denigrating and personal attacks on participants in these forums had caused you to participate less than you would otherwise be inclined. That bothered me.

Indy: Sadly, conservatives get their feelings hurt when it’s shown their ideology is failing us all . .

But if you can’t take criticism, why come to a ‘public forum’? Why not just go to the many ‘like mind’ conservative sites (there are still a few out there . . . here in SCV-land . . . although most just linger and disappear . . . ) and be with ‘friends’ where you can agree with your conservative ideology beliefs?

Tech wrote: Personally, I have a particular distaste for obnoxious bullies and from a very young age have taken them on intellectually and, on occasion, physically to protect others from their abuse. At the core, they are weak and fold when confronted in real life, especially when separated from their gang.

Indy: What I find most disturbing about this guy is his proposed ‘expertise’ claims on various topics yet he refuses to disclose his education.

Why is that?

Tech wrote: Indy is the quintessential passive/aggressive beta male. I have drawn his personalized invective because I've been particularly effective in undermining his "arguments" with logic, statistical data and historical facts. I, too, found his exhortation to "man ups" particularly amusing.

Indy: Yes, this poster too suffers from the weakness of admitting the failures of his libertarian market fundamentalism . . .

And what else would you expect that he agrees with his own ‘facts’ and is disturbed then they are shown to be false.

Why not just ‘man up’ . . . that’s a phrase that conservatives use all the time and stop ‘whining and crying’ . . . but I’ll leave the ‘pity party’ to you two . . .


Nitesho: Posted: July 25, 2014 9:44 p.m.

Oh I'm no friend if Fox for my own reasons. They are as hypocritical as Betty.

I worked for MySpace.com back in 2009 when they were owned by fox. They laid off thousands, literally, thousands of people while mentioning nothing on the news and railing against dear leader about job loss.

I'm well aware of their fair and balanced news. They have the same slant on news that media matters does. Indy, the same assertion you make about fox framing it in a conservative slant is the same way media matters frames it in a liberal slant and in my eyes, more to the far left like the dailykoz and moveon.


therightstuff: Posted: July 25, 2014 10:11 p.m.

TRS ASKED: """OK...we have to ask...have you actually read this, Indy? If you read it, why can't you answer my question? If not, how do you know that it answers 'every question'."""

INDY'S ANSWER: """I’m not invested in this ‘innuendo speculative’ fantasy about the Libya incident as you . . . and other Fox worshipers are . . ."""

I think it's becoming blatantly obvious that our friend Indy has been caught in yet another lie. He obviously has never read the booklet by David Brock on Benghazi and yet he continues to tell everyone that it has 'all the answers'.

Indy - seriously - why do you do this stuff? What purpose is served by deliberately lying about stuff you've never read? This is one of the many reasons no one here takes you seriously except the crazy BINGO lady who will suck up to anyone who will bash Republicans.

Indy, I've documented each time your president and his minions lied about Benghazi in the weeks after the terrorist attack but you continue to call it fantasy. No amount of hard evidence will ever pull your nose out of Obama's ass.

Since you have no shame, I'm embarrassed FOR you.


therightstuff: Posted: July 25, 2014 10:22 p.m.

Nitesho: """Indy, the same assertion you make about fox framing it in a conservative slant is the same way media matters frames it in a liberal slant and in my eyes, more to the far left like the dailykoz and moveon."""

You'll never convince Indy of anything if you oppose his narrow worldview, especially when you cite his far-left media bias. He's a disciple of MSNBC while whining about media bias. Sounds bizarre but this is what we've come to expect from the poster who goes by Indy.

I've never denied a conservative bias with Fox News but if not for Fox, we would NEVER hear anything about the corruption going on with this administration on any other news outlet. During the month of June, the three networks ABC, CBS and NBC devoted .02% of their airtime covering the growing scandal at the IRS. They are committed to protecting and advancing their liberal ideology which trumps honest journalism.

And I'd be willing to bet that Fox News has more guests representing opposing views than all other cable news combined. There's a reason why Fox News destroys all the competition in the ratings and why the far-left fringe has such an inferiority complex about it. It's not a complex. --edited.


therightstuff: Posted: July 25, 2014 10:29 p.m.

And Nitesho, did you notice that Indy did not provide a link to the article about Fox News, "30 reasons why Fox News is not legit"?

So I looked it up and the article is from...wait for it...Media Matters. Yep, Indy posted an article from Media Matters claiming that Fox News is not legit. This is the kind of bubble this guys lives in.

And the debunked article he regurgitates from time to time came from an outfit called Fark News. The byline on their website says, "It's not news, it's Fark!" Indy actually uses this as a news source to attack Fox.

All I keep asking is for him to give an example of how Fox News is reporting something that is factually inaccurate. He can't do it but it doesn't stop him from whining daily about it.

This is the kind of hypocrisy you can expect from Indy. --edited.


Nitesho: Posted: July 25, 2014 11:18 p.m.

Yep TRS. I noticed it. Typical though. You're not surprised though right?


tech: Posted: July 26, 2014 12:18 a.m.

"Indy: Sadly, conservatives get their feelings hurt when it’s shown their ideology is failing us all . . (sic)"

You have zero effect on me so you must be beating your chest about your attempts at browbeating hopeful. Get stuffed, beta male. :-D


OldReliable: Posted: July 26, 2014 1:36 a.m.

Whoa! Looks like I hit a nerve with Nitsho. As I alluded that there was a personal issue in play, Nitsho certainly made my point. Hilarious! Get a life, Nitsho.


Nitesho: Posted: July 26, 2014 9:15 a.m.

Old. What business is it of yours? I'm assuming your Betty based on your response so why don't you put on some new depends and come over and have a chat rather than scurry away in your car and hide like a bridge troll?


OldReliable: Posted: July 26, 2014 9:56 a.m.

Nice try Nitsho (not), but again you are way off the mark.


ricketzz: Posted: July 26, 2014 10:21 a.m.

Half of the alleged scandals are fabrications. Benghazi is the most ridiculous. All that hoopla and it turns out the first attack was because of the movie trailer made by the local speed chemist (who put him up to it, Romney?). They catch the guy and he says "it was a video" and the matter is dropped like a bad summer replacement.

I don't want to say Betty lives in a bubble of fabrication and half truth, but I must. All the righties seem to watch the same TV and read the same web sites. I could never live in a closed society. I want to be disproved. I want to be shown the error of my thinking; the error of going along to get along.

Groupthink leads to fascism. Since we ARE fascist now, I gotta blame the right wing groupthink.


therightstuff: Posted: July 26, 2014 11:14 a.m.

"""Benghazi is the most ridiculous."""

We've heard your explanation for why Obama lied about the cover up for Benghazi. You said..."hey, presidents lie" And then you suggest perhaps Romney was behind it.

Talk about ridiculous. Do you not take your meds on the weekends?


Nitesho: Posted: July 26, 2014 12:29 p.m.

Old. So what business is it of yours? You just one of those busy bodies that has to stick their nose in everything? Seems like the one that needs a life is you since you seem so interested in everyone else's.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 26, 2014 3:22 p.m.

"Half of the alleged scandals are fabrications. Benghazi is the most ridiculous. All that hoopla and it turns out the first attack was because of the movie trailer made by the local speed chemist (who put him up to it, Romney?)."


Oh, brother, ricketzz.... When was the last time you read a paper or watched some news?

That whole "it was a video" thing was completely and utterly debunked almost immediately after the event. NOBODY ... and I mean NOBODY ... believes that story anymore, if anyone ever did.

By the way, some more news for you: the South lost the Civil War.


Indy: Posted: July 26, 2014 9:31 p.m.

Nitesho wrote: I'm well aware of their fair and balanced news. They have the same slant on news that media matters does. Indy, the same assertion you make about fox framing it in a conservative slant is the same way media matters frames it in a liberal slant and in my eyes, more to the far left like the dailykoz and moveon.

Indy: I don’t watch or follow any given organization other then when they report something that has some ‘facts’ in it.

Fox likes to ‘frame’ their news with conservative ideology . . . I’m not sure of media matters other than a search on the net for information . . . where I do notice the GOP is better since their links show up first.

If the facts are presented, I use them . . . I don’t read the ideology.

From what I see here from the non-compromising religious conservatives is that they protect ‘Fox’ as if it has an identity beyond being simply a political vehicle of the GOP.

In any event, I criticize beliefs, values and opinions that don’t work . . . aren’t reproducible . . . and promote ideologies that don’t work.


Indy: Posted: July 26, 2014 9:35 p.m.

Tech wrote: Indy: I’ve noticed through the years that conservatives are clever to degrade any media outlet that doesn’t march lock step with them on their ideology positions.

Indy: Yes, the Cato Institute (The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C.) will understandably advocate libertarian ideology and viewpoints . . . Posted: July 11, 2014 4:59 p.m. http://www.signalscv.com/section/33/article/123470/

Indy: Well yeah . . it’s important to know when people are presenting ‘opinions’ especially from ideology driven ‘think tanks’ that are populated with ‘like mind’ libertarians as factual ignoring the bias of the ideology.


Indy: Posted: July 26, 2014 9:40 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: TRS ASKED: """OK...we have to ask...have you actually read this, Indy? If you read it, why can't you answer my question? If not, how do you know that it answers 'every question'."""

INDY'S ANSWER: """I’m not invested in this ‘innuendo speculative’ fantasy about the Libya incident as you . . . and other Fox worshipers are . . ."""

I think it's becoming blatantly obvious that our friend Indy has been caught in yet another lie. He obviously has never read the booklet by David Brock on Benghazi and yet he continues to tell everyone that it has 'all the answers'.

Indy: Obviously you haven’t read it since you keep posting the same ‘innuendo and speculation’ that it debunks.

But let’s see what Fox says about these events:

“Like in 2002 when the US Consulate in the Karachi, Pakistan, was attacked and 10 were killed?

Or in 2004 when the US embassy in Uzbekistan was attacked and two were killed and another
nine injured?

How about in 2004, when the US Consulate in Saudi Arabia was stormed and 8 lost their lives?

There is more: In 2006, armed men attacked the US Embassy in Syria and one was murdered.

Then in 2007 a grenade was thrown at the US Embassy in Athens.

In 2008, the US Embassy in Serbia was set on fire.

In 2008, bombings in the US Embassy in Yemen killed 10.”

Therightstuff wrote: Indy - seriously - why do you do this stuff? What purpose is served by deliberately lying about stuff you've never read? This is one of the many reasons no one here takes you seriously except the crazy BINGO lady who will suck up to anyone who will bash Republicans.

Indy: Here again, unless you ‘swallow’ the nonsense from Fox then you’re cited as a ‘liar’ from this religious conservative! Priceless! More proof of the ‘innuendo and speculation’ that dominates his life . . . fortunately, I don’t follow nonsense . . .

Therightstuff wrote: `Indy, I've documented each time your president and his minions lied about Benghazi in the weeks after the terrorist attack but you continue to call it fantasy. No amount of hard evidence will ever pull your nose out of Obama's ass. Since you have no shame, I'm embarrassed FOR you.

Indy: Again, all based on the ‘innuendo and speculation’ from a so called ‘news’ outlet with no credibility.

For those interested in the actual chain of events in Libya, read: The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013)


Indy: Posted: July 26, 2014 9:43 p.m.

Tech wrote: "Indy: Sadly, conservatives get their feelings hurt when it’s shown their ideology is failing us all . . (sic)"

You have zero effect on me so you must be beating your chest about your attempts at browbeating hopeful. Get stuffed, beta male.

Indy: You must feel something to be so inhibited to reveal your so called ‘phantom education’ and business experience.

Were you home schooled? You’ve got the vocabulary . . . but again, if I knew your education I could better help you with economics, science, technology, engineering, business, management and even budgeting.

Even what the 'words' means when 'strung' together in a sentence . . .


Indy: Posted: July 26, 2014 9:47 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: And the debunked article he regurgitates from time to time came from an outfit called Fark News. The byline on their website says, "It's not news, it's Fark!" Indy actually uses this as a news source to attack Fox.

Indy: Here you go . . .

Why did the Fox news channel sue for the right to lie?
http://www.law-forums.org/why-did-the-fox-news-channel-sue-for-the-right-to-lie-t25159.html
by hackett » Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:15 am
Jane Akre and her husband Steve Wilson are former employees of Fox owned-and-operated station WTVT in Tampa, Florida. In 1997, they were fired from the station after refusing to knowingly include false information in their report concerning the Monsanto Company's production of RBGH, a drug designed to make cows produce more milk. They successfully sued under Florida's whistle blower law and were awarded a US $425,000 settlement by jury decision. However, Fox appealed to an appellate court and won, after the court declared that the FCC policy against falsification that Fox violated was just a policy and not a "law, rule, or regulation", and so the whistle blower law did not apply.

Therightstuff wrote: All I keep asking is for him to give an example of how Fox News is reporting something that is factually inaccurate. He can't do it but it doesn't stop him from whining daily about it.

Indy: I urge everyone to go and view Fox . . . see for yourself . . . don’t take my word for it . . . but keep in mind that Fox ‘sued’ and won to present their so called ‘news’ using the 1st Amendment protection to mask it as ‘opinion’.

Why anyone would believe anything on that network is bizarre especially based on what they do to corrupt the news for partisan political gain. Truly reprehensible and unprofessional.


Indy: Posted: July 26, 2014 9:53 p.m.

From Wikipedia: Media Matters for America (MMfA) is a politically progressive[1] media watchdog group that says it is "dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media".[2] Set up as a tax-exempt, nonprofit organization, MMfA was founded in 2004 by journalist and author David Brock.[3] Eric E. Burns served as MMfA's president until 2011.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Matters_for_America

Sadly, they have their work cut on with Fox . . .

And the hits just keep on coming . . .

PunditFact: Fox News wins battle for most-false cable network
7/11/2014 8:00am by John Aravosis
http://americablog.com/2014/07/punditfact-fox-news-wins-battle-false-cable-network.html

Fox News has won the battle for most-false cable network.

A new survey by the Tampa Bay Times’ PunditFact, looking at the veracity of cable networks, found that Fox News won (or lost) the first prize for having the most falsehoods studied.

According to PunditFact, Fox News’ on-air talent were mostly false, false, or “pants on fire” 60% of the time.
MSNBC ranked second in falsehoods, at 46% of the time.

And CNN ranked a lowly (or uply) 18% level of falsehoods – meaning, CNN did a pretty good job getting it right.

Indy: But what really saddening for the public is that these news organizations are so bent on being ‘first’ with ‘breaking news’ without checking, that all of them are rated ‘true’ for news less than 10% of the time . . . this is where they are truly failing us all.


Indy: Posted: July 26, 2014 9:55 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: We've heard your explanation for why Obama lied about the cover up for Benghazi. You said..."hey, presidents lie" And then you suggest perhaps Romney was behind it.

Indy: If you let a hard core partisan religious conservative that is economically ignorant give you a ‘fact’, you’re only brutalizing yourself!


Indy: Posted: July 26, 2014 10:00 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: And Nitesho, did you notice that Indy did not provide a link to the article about Fox News, "30 reasons why Fox News is not legit"?

So I looked it up and the article is from...wait for it...Media Matters. Yep, Indy posted an article from Media Matters claiming that Fox News is not legit. This is the kind of bubble this guys lives in.

Indy: No worries . . . dude . . we’ll be ‘going down the list’ as move to November . . . at http://mediamatters.org/research/2009/10/27/30-reasons-why-fox-news-is-not-legit/156164

Therightstuff wrote: And the debunked article he regurgitates from time to time came from an outfit called Fark News. The byline on their website says, "It's not news, it's Fark!" Indy actually uses this as a news source to attack Fox.

Indy: Again, for clarity:

Why did the Fox news channel sue for the right to lie?
http://www.law-forums.org/why-did-the-fox-news-channel-sue-for-the-right-to-lie-t25159.html
by hackett » Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:15 am
Jane Akre and her husband Steve Wilson are former employees of Fox owned-and-operated station WTVT in Tampa, Florida. In 1997, they were fired from the station after refusing to knowingly include false information in their report concerning the Monsanto Company's production of RBGH, a drug designed to make cows produce more milk. They successfully sued under Florida's whistle blower law and were awarded a US $425,000 settlement by jury decision. However, Fox appealed to an appellate court and won, after the court declared that the FCC policy against falsification that Fox violated was just a policy and not a "law, rule, or regulation", and so the whistle blower law did not apply.

Note to readers: Just do an internet search on this . . . you can even read the court findings and transcripts.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: All I keep asking is for him to give an example of how Fox News is reporting something that is factually inaccurate. He can't do it but it doesn't stop him from whining daily about it.
This is the kind of hypocrisy you can expect from Indy. --edited.

Indy: Again, see for yourself . . . watch Fox . . . check other news sources . . . and ‘see’ for yourself. What are you waiting for?


Indy: Posted: July 26, 2014 10:01 p.m.

Ricketzz wrote: Half of the alleged scandals are fabrications. Benghazi is the most ridiculous. All that hoopla and it turns out the first attack was because of the movie trailer made by the local speed chemist (who put him up to it, Romney?). They catch the guy and he says "it was a video" and the matter is dropped like a bad summer replacement.

I don't want to say Betty lives in a bubble of fabrication and half truth, but I must. All the righties seem to watch the same TV and read the same web sites. I could never live in a closed society. I want to be disproved. I want to be shown the error of my thinking; the error of going along to get along.

Groupthink leads to fascism. Since we ARE fascist now, I gotta blame the right wing groupthink.

Indy: Word.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 26, 2014 11:06 p.m.

Wow!

The King Of Blather has set a new record!


therightstuff: Posted: July 26, 2014 11:39 p.m.

Indy: """Again, see for yourself . . . watch Fox . . . check other news sources . . . and ‘see’ for yourself. What are you waiting for?"""

Dude...you keep asking and we keep telling you. We're waiting for you to tell us what Fox News is reporting that is factually inaccurate. All you've got is the crap from Media Matters which is even farther to the left than you. Seriously Indy...you got nothing. And yet you keep blathering on about Fox News. Either put up or shut up.


therightstuff: Posted: July 26, 2014 11:47 p.m.

Indy: """Obviously you haven’t read it since you keep posting the same ‘innuendo and speculation’ that it debunks."""

Of course I haven't read it. What normal person would spend 99 cents to read anything a disgraced hyper-partisan like David Brock would put out? I don't need to lift the garbage pale to know it stinks.

And David Brock cannot debunk the fact that your president and his minions deliberately and repeatedly lied for WEEKS denying it was a terrorist attack and blaming it on a video. These facts are well documented and undeniable.

I just think it's hilarious that YOU HAVEN'T READ IT!!! And yet, you keep telling everyone that it has all the answers about Benghazi.

Though it took months to finally get to the truth about you and David Brock, you've been totally EXPOSED that you never even read it. Wow...that's pretty low - even for a habitual liar like you, Indy.

Sadly, it's not the first time you've promoted something you knew nothing about. What's even sadder is that we all know it won't be the last time. --edited.


ricketzz: Posted: July 27, 2014 10:46 a.m.

Brian, I am an award winning news producer, now retired from broadcasting. Please do not try to impugn my geopolitical situational awareness. I "sleep-learn" the BBC World Service. From NPR last June:

"BOWMAN: That's it, and basically, Khatallah says that he didn't even take part in the attack. He says he went into the compound trying to save some of the Libyan guards - said he wasn't directing anything. He was not a leader militia that supposedly ordered the attack. He wasn't even a member, he said. He ran another militia, he says. And here's something that's interesting, Robert. Abu Khatallah says that the attack originated with a video that set off protests at embassies around the region. He claims that those inside the embassy began shooting at this peaceful protest and then things escalated. Now that's pretty close to what the Obama administration said early about this version of events, and that proves so controversial - that a reaction to a video started all of this, and it was not an orchestrated terrorist attack."

http://www.npr.org/2014/06/17/323032759/u-s-commandos-catch-alleged-leader-of-benghazi-attack


tech: Posted: July 27, 2014 11:10 a.m.

Statements by an in custody Khatalla are exculpatory to himself and, conveniently, to the administration, so case closed?

You must have been asleep, ricketzz.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 27, 2014 2:54 p.m.

Ricketzz: "Brian, I am an award winning news producer, now retired from broadcasting."

HAhahahahaha!

Yeah, right....

Have I mentioned my Pulitzer and Nobel prizes lately?



"Please do not try to impugn my geopolitical situational awareness. I 'sleep-learn' the BBC World Service."


I think the operative word there is "sleep", and you must have slept right through everything, because you are PROFOUNDLY ignorant of current events.


chefgirl358: Posted: July 27, 2014 9:28 p.m.

Nitesho and Brian,

Yep totally agree. Style is a big part of it. I loathe Rush or Ann Coulter - so divisive and inflammatory. They have several good points but it all gets overshadowed and drowned out by their general awfulness. Betty doesn't say anything I disagree with but I just don't care for the way she says it. I agree with Nitesho, there's no solution in her message, suggestions or negotiating, just really loud b***ing.


ricketzz: Posted: July 28, 2014 9:40 a.m.

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I also won a technical Emmy but that doesn't count.

Brian, the real news would make you throw up. It is a much saner world than the one you get from commercial TV. Normally I don't like to see emotional reaction to current events, but I'll excuse it in your case.


CaptGene: Posted: July 28, 2014 2:19 p.m.

Wow, 1978? Obviously, you are right there on top of current affairs! Just curious, was your technical Emmy in this century, or the last one?


Indy: Posted: July 28, 2014 3:55 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """Obviously you haven’t read it since you keep posting the same ‘innuendo and speculation’ that it debunks."""

Of course I haven't read it. What normal person would spend 99 cents to read anything a disgraced hyper-partisan like David Brock would put out? I don't need to lift the garbage pale to know it stinks.

Indy: Yes, as we’ve moved into the 21st Century . . . eBooks are becoming more and more popular especially allowing shorter, less time consuming efforts to gain topical knowledge quickly.

I can’t recommend this highly enough: The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013)

It’s a timely accounting of the actual events that took place.

Therightstuff wrote: And David Brock cannot debunk the fact that your president and his minions deliberately and repeatedly lied for WEEKS denying it was a terrorist attack and blaming it on a video. These facts are well documented and undeniable.

Indy: Need jerk religious conservatives are sadly burdened with the problem of actually finding ‘independent thought’. When they are instructed to recite nonsense, they feel compelled to do so . . . ‘since they were told to do so’ . .

Please, think for yourself. Look beyond the ‘innuendo and speculation’ fostered by partisan conservative ideologues for their own self-aggrandizement over this incident.

And to place this incident I context, review what happened to our embassies and consultlats under the religious conservative ‘leadership’ of Bush W:

“Like in 2002 when the US Consulate in the Karachi, Pakistan, was attacked and 10 were killed?

Or in 2004 when the US embassy in Uzbekistan was attacked and two were killed and another
nine injured?

How about in 2004, when the US Consulate in Saudi Arabia was stormed and 8 lost their lives?

There is more: In 2006, armed men attacked the US Embassy in Syria and one was murdered.

Then in 2007 a grenade was thrown at the US Embassy in Athens.

In 2008, the US Embassy in Serbia was set on fire.

In 2008, bombings in the US Embassy in Yemen killed 10.”

Indy: Then ask yourself why conservatives in congress fight to cut budgets for these facilities . . .


therightstuff: Posted: July 29, 2014 12:31 a.m.

Indy: """I can’t recommend this highly enough: The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013) It’s a timely accounting of the actual events that took place."""

And yet this cowardly liar has never even read it himself. This is beyond pathological and more like mental illness.

Every time I ask for David Brock's "accounting" of why Obama and his administration blamed the terrorist attack on a video, all I get are personal attacks, childish labels, and stories about George Bush.

It's so revealing how none of Obama's wh0res can answer this one. We KNOW why.


ricketzz: Posted: July 29, 2014 8:58 a.m.

But the 9:45 PM demonstration was about the Video, according to the person we have detained. Who paid to have the video dubbed into an Arab obscenity and blasphemy, then got it broadcast on conservative Egyptian media? Who was ready the next morning to proclaim the Mideast is in flames and it's all Obama's fault?

The video is actually a potential lynch-pin in all this and not one investigative reporter has lifted a finger. "If I was 20 years younger..."


therightstuff: Posted: July 29, 2014 12:02 p.m.

"""But the 9:45 PM demonstration was about the Video according to the person we have detained."""

You can take the word of suspected terrorist Ahmed Abu Khattala or the Americans on the ground in Benghazi who reported there was NO DEMONSTRATION.

The video had been on youtube for months leading up to the attack on....wait for it....September 11.

And although no one can account for the whereabouts of Barack Obama the night of the attack, he claims he KNEW it was a terrorist attack within 24 hours. (And then went on a cash junket in Vegas.)

So why continue to tell the American people it was about a video for weeks after the attack? When Hillary was asked about it all she could say was..."What difference does it make!"

You're right that not one investigative reporter has lifted a finger on Benghazi because they KNOW it would look bad for Obama. So the story has not only gotten buried but anyone who seeks the truth is demonized.

Beam me up Scotty...no sign of intelligent life here.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 29, 2014 2:42 p.m.

Well, ricketzz, I don't see the name "ricketzz" in there anywhere.

But let's suppose you're being honest and one of those people IS actually you.

That makes your profound ignorance of current events even more inexplicable and unforgiveable.




Indy: Posted: July 29, 2014 4:37 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """I can’t recommend this highly enough: The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013) It’s a timely accounting of the actual events that took place."""

And yet this cowardly liar has never even read it himself. This is beyond pathological and more like mental illness.

Indy: It’s interesting to see how the religious conservative mind works . . . but indeed it’s what you’d expect.

Repeat the lie enough and even the person reciting it ‘believes it’!!!

I again suggest, getting this simple eBook that consicly addresses the actual time line of events, what political motivations were in play, and clearly debunks the ‘innuendo and speculation’ put forth by Fox and this obsessed poster.

Therightstuff wrote: It's so revealing how none of Obama's wh0res can answer this one. We KNOW why.

Indy: In this kind of language from a Christian????


Indy: Posted: July 29, 2014 4:42 p.m.

Ricketzz wrote: But the 9:45 PM demonstration was about the Video, according to the person we have detained. Who paid to have the video dubbed into an Arab obscenity and blasphemy, then got it broadcast on conservative Egyptian media? Who was ready the next morning to proclaim the Mideast is in flames and it's all Obama's fault?

The video is actually a potential lynch-pin in all this and not one investigative reporter has lifted a finger. "If I was 20 years younger..."

Indy: Yep . . . but what’s more interesting is the conservative mindset in America that goes ‘bonkers’ over such types of things . . . and then starts the downward spiral of ignorance that is ‘framed’ on Fox with their ‘innuendo and speculation’.

Gee, you’d think that having separatist militias at the Clive ‘Let Me Tell You About the Negro’ Ranch would have generated outrage that they pointed their guns at duly appointed federal agents going after a ‘tax cheat’ . . . making my taxes higher, everything else being equal.

But instead, Clive was ‘grandstanded’ by Sean Hannity as an American ‘hero’!!!!

In any event, it’s important to not let conservatives rewrite our history with nonsense . . .


therightstuff: Posted: July 29, 2014 6:55 p.m.

Indy: """Repeat the lie enough and even the person reciting it ‘believes it’!!!"""

So then tell us the truth Indy. Did you read it or not? And if you did, please tell us how David Brock accounts for why Barack Obama and his administration continued to tell the nation about a video for two weeks after he knew it was a terrorist attack that murdered four Americans.

Why must you make telling the truth so complicated?


therightstuff: Posted: July 29, 2014 7:03 p.m.

Indy: """Yep . . . but what’s more interesting is the conservative mindset in America that goes ‘bonkers’ over such types of things . . . and then starts the downward spiral of ignorance that is ‘framed’ on Fox with their ‘innuendo and speculation’. """

Here again, why can't you just tell the truth? Nearly every post you talk about the 'innuendo and speculation' on Fox but when asked repeatedly to tell us what they are reporting that is factually inaccurate, all I get from you are more personal insults and questioning my Christian faith.

Why not just be honest and document your claims with evidence?

And your creepy obsession with Clive Bundy is priceless hypocrisy. He was exposed as a racist and appropriately dropped by everyone supporting him and yet you bring him up again...and again...and again....and again.

Barack Obama LIED 37 times about healthcare to get it passed and where was Indy's outrage when Obama was awarded "Lie of the Year"?

<<<<<<<<crickets chirping>>>>>>>>>

Such a hypocrite.


CaptGene: Posted: July 29, 2014 10:43 p.m.

I don't read Indy Nile's posts, scanning them takes more time than that bozo is worth. But, sometimes something will leap out at you, here's an example:

Indy Nile: "Need jerk religious conservatives are sadly burdened with..."

This clown claims to be educated, I think he's full of...well...you fill in the blank.


CaptGene: Posted: July 29, 2014 10:47 p.m.

BrianBaker: "Well, ricketzz, I don't see the name "ricketzz" in there anywhere"

BB, he's in there, it took a pair of seconds to figure out who he is. What's sad is that this guy has been milking this for 36 years.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 30, 2014 12:34 a.m.

Yeah, I got it, CG.

I was using rhetoric to make a point: for a guy who was evidently even IN the news biz, his ignorance of current events is inexcusable.



ricketzz: Posted: July 30, 2014 10:57 a.m.

If you search for ricketzz you will easily find my real name.

Brian Baker: what you think are "current events" are distortions, hallucinations. Commercial news networks are entertainment profit centers. They are ratings driven and they exaggerate mood swings in the viewing populace. The crappy snapshot public polling feeds the pop news machine and we end up with millions of politically naive news junkies. They are tripping on adrenaline because the "news" has them in a lather; always angry.

All you need to do is turn it off. The world starts looking better almost immediately. On KCET at 9AM is something called Democracy Now. This is real straight news by the non-commercial Pacifica Foundation. Try it some time. It is also on the Free Speech TV channel on Dish and DirecTV.


CaptGene: Posted: July 30, 2014 11:18 a.m.

Democracy Now is a joke. It's like MSDNC on a cocktail of steroids and LSD. Not surprising that cricketzz would think it was "straight news". It is worth a watch though, especially when you think about the dunderheads out there watching it believing they are getting the "straight news"! Barrel of laughs.


Indy: Posted: July 30, 2014 4:30 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """Repeat the lie enough and even the person reciting it ‘believes it’!!!"""

So then tell us the truth Indy. Did you read it or not? And if you did, please tell us how David Brock accounts for why Barack Obama and his administration continued to tell the nation about a video for two weeks after he knew it was a terrorist attack that murdered four Americans.

Indy previously wrote: """I can’t recommend this highly enough: The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013) It’s a timely accounting of the actual events that took place."""

If you’re fascinated by this rather small event, then by all means read ‘both sides’.

And try finding a conservative that discuss these events:

“Like in 2002 when the US Consulate in the Karachi, Pakistan, was attacked and 10 were killed?

Or in 2004 when the US embassy in Uzbekistan was attacked and two were killed and another
nine injured?

How about in 2004, when the US Consulate in Saudi Arabia was stormed and 8 lost their lives?

There is more: In 2006, armed men attacked the US Embassy in Syria and one was murdered.

Then in 2007 a grenade was thrown at the US Embassy in Athens.

In 2008, the US Embassy in Serbia was set on fire.

In 2008, bombings in the US Embassy in Yemen killed 10.”


Indy: Posted: July 30, 2014 4:36 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: And your creepy obsession with Clive Bundy is priceless hypocrisy. He was exposed as a racist and appropriately dropped by everyone supporting him and yet you bring him up again...and again...and again....and again.

Indy: The Clive ‘Let Me Tell You About the Negro’ Bundy that was idolozied by Sean Hannity as an ‘American Patriot’ and appeared on his show several times, was then ‘exposed’ for being a ‘tax cheat’ not to mention having ‘ancient’ views’ on black Americans.

This is a very good incident of showing how Fox ‘jumps’ right in with their ‘innuendo and speculation’ without doing any background checks, fact checks or even putting this issue into context.

And why no conservative outrage that a separatist militia member was photographed pointing a sniper rifle at American authorized federal agents?

And has Hannity noted on his show that two of the separatist militia ‘attendees’ murdered two Las Vegas police officers in ‘cold blood’ a few day later?

The public has to realize that ‘agenda’ Fox has in distorting the ‘news’ for their partisan political beliefs.

The Bundy incident is a great one and needs to be put into our ‘history’ and recited often to gain the perspective that Fox tends to ‘gloss over’ when they are repeatedly shown wrong.

We’ll be reviewing this ‘incident’ as we get closer to November . . .


Indy: Posted: July 30, 2014 4:42 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Barack Obama LIED 37 times about healthcare to get it passed and where was Indy's outrage when Obama was awarded "Lie of the Year"?

Indy: Yes, the insurance industry that has ‘updated’ their ‘junk’ insurance policies to conform to the current ACA law did prevent them from being used.

Likewise, Obama extended them if people wanted to keep them for a limited time.

I can only wonder why some 8+ million Americans signed up for the ACA through the competitive ‘exchanges’ . . .

And several more poor Americans became eligible for Medicaid.

Yet, many republican controlled states including Texas have ‘rejected’ the Medicaid expansion for the poor . . . keeping an estimated 5+ million poor people without health care insurance

In any event, consider that:

- Republicans asserted the ACA was a job killer . . . but just review last month’s job creations and the stock market reaching a ‘historical high’!

- 74% of republicans that got health insurance through the ACA ‘like’ what they got

- Yet, republicans in the House still fighting to repeal/degrade the ACA including suing the President over it


Who you ‘gonna’ vote for in November?


Indy: Posted: July 30, 2014 4:47 p.m.

C(omdey)aptG(old)ene wrote: I don't read Indy Nile's posts, scanning them takes more time than that bozo is worth.

Indy: Hey, it’s comedy gold! Just gotta say that . . . at least once in awhile.

C(omdey)aptG(old)ene wrote: "Need jerk religious conservatives are sadly burdened with..."

This clown claims to be educated, I think he's full of...well...you fill in the blank.

Indy: Hey, when you’ve got nothing intelligent to say, typos are I guess your only debating strategy?

Butt, hay, eye tri 2 doo beteer 4 u! Ann akan, ites komeedy goold!


Just having some fun with ya . . . a good break for you from the conservative Op-ed writers you read and recite here . . .

But when you do have something important to say, we'll get to that as well.


Nitsho: Posted: July 30, 2014 7:20 p.m.

"And try finding a conservative that discuss these events:"

Reason Bengazi is different than the ones you mentioned are as follows.

1. A US Ambassador was killed. First since Carter
2. The attack lasted for more than 8 hours with no reinforcements. It wasn't an indefensible bomb as some of the ones you mentioned.
3. Amb Stevens warned he needed more security to the state department and was denied by the state department, not congress.
4. Bush didn't try to hide the attacks for political gain 2 months before an election.


Indy: Posted: July 30, 2014 8:43 p.m.

Nitsho wrote: "And try finding a conservative that discuss these events:"

Reason Bengazi is different than the ones you mentioned are as follows.

1. A US Ambassador was killed. First since Carter

Indy: Gee, Americans killed in these events and are dismissed since they are not a Ambassador?

““Like in 2002 when the US Consulate in the Karachi, Pakistan, was attacked and 10 were killed?

Or in 2004 when the US embassy in Uzbekistan was attacked and two were killed and another
nine injured?

How about in 2004, when the US Consulate in Saudi Arabia was stormed and 8 lost their lives?

There is more: In 2006, armed men attacked the US Embassy in Syria and one was murdered.

Then in 2007 a grenade was thrown at the US Embassy in Athens.

In 2008, the US Embassy in Serbia was set on fire.

In 2008, bombings in the US Embassy in Yemen killed 10.”

Nitsho wrote: 2. The attack lasted for more than 8 hours with no reinforcements. It wasn't an indefensible bomb as some of the ones you mentioned.

Indy: Yes, the embassy was in a ‘safe house’ in a nation with no formal government. Even our military has noted that no response could be offered considering the situation there.

Nitsho wrote: 3. Amb Stevens warned he needed more security to the state department and was denied by the state department, not congress.

Indy: Why does the GOP in congress cut the budget for embassies and consultants every time?

Nitsho wrote: 4. Bush didn't try to hide the attacks for political gain 2 months before an election.

Indy: I think you too need to read: The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013)

Feel free to discuss any page in the document . . . but thanks for debating . . . and we can continue as you work through this eBook. I’ll be more than happy to discuss whatever you find therein.


therightstuff: Posted: July 31, 2014 1:14 a.m.

Nitsho, did you notice when I asked Indy ***POINT BLANK*** if he read the 99 cent pamphlet by David Brock on Benghazi he refused to answer again but continued with just personal attacks. What a worthless coward.

You also notice he refuses to answer why Barack Obama and his minions continued to tell the American people that Benghazi was a spontaneous reaction to a video for ***TWO WEEKS*** after he knew it was a terrorist attack. He knows his leader lied to save his political ass so all he does is respond with personal attacks.

The difference between prostitutes and Obama wh0res like Indy is that a self-respecting prostitute charges for her services. Shameless Obama wh0res like Indy bend over for free and beg for more.


ricketzz: Posted: July 31, 2014 9:25 a.m.

On the night in question Ambassador Stevens had all the security he requested. There were 2 attacks, several hours apart. All the deaths were on 12 September 2012.

The only odd thing about Benghazi is the lunatic fringe's obsession with it.


therightstuff: Posted: July 31, 2014 12:07 p.m.

Soooooooooo you have no problem that your president and his minions continued to spin the story of the video for two weeks AFTER the attacks, huh ricketzz? If he would lie about a terrorist attack, what else would he lie about? (think healthcare...2013 Lie of the Year)

And if we expect Barack Obama to be honest, we're lunatics?


Indy: Posted: July 31, 2014 5:13 p.m.

Therightstuff,

Indy: I think you too need to read: The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013)

Feel free to discuss any page in the document . . . we can continue postings as you work through this eBook. I’ll be more than happy to discuss whatever you find therein.


Indy: Posted: July 31, 2014 5:16 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Soooooooooo you have no problem that your president and his minions continued to spin the story of the video for two weeks AFTER the attacks, huh ricketzz? If he would lie about a terrorist attack, what else would he lie about? (think healthcare...2013 Lie of the Year)

Indy: All of your questions and thoughts will be clearly articulated including the correct time line in this resource: The Benghazi Hoax by David Brock, Ari Rabin-Havt and Media Matters for America (Oct 16, 2013)

I can’t recommend it highly enough to counter the ‘innuendo and speculation’ that Fox has created.

You’ll end up far more knowledgeable and clearly understand what took place.

Isn’t that what you’re looking for, the ‘truth’? It’s only 99 cents away . . .


tech: Posted: July 31, 2014 6:27 p.m.

"Feel free to discuss any page in the document . . . we can continue postings as you work through this eBook. I’ll be more than happy to discuss whatever you find therein." - Indy

TRS: I think Indy is hinting that he'd like you to read it for him.


ricketzz: Posted: August 1, 2014 10:49 a.m.

tech (among others) is a bully. He is making jokes at the expense of Indy, for the pleasure of his (Tech) "peers". Sometimes several pile on. This makes the "comments" kind of ugly and un-appealing. Try to grow up. Some of us take this stuff seriously. Thanks.


CaptGene: Posted: August 1, 2014 11:39 a.m.

cricketzz: "Some of us take this stuff seriously"

Isn't that ironic, because nobody here takes you or Indy Nile seriously!


therightstuff: Posted: August 1, 2014 3:46 p.m.

Tech, I don't know if Indy is pretending to be stupid to stir things up or if he is truly as stupid as his posts imply.

The way he keeps hawking a 99 cent pamphlet that even HE hasn't read is downright weird and yet he keeps doing it over and over. When I ask for David Brock's explanation of why Obama kept telling us for weeks how Benghazi wasn't a terrorist attack but a spontaneous reaction to a video, Indy just keeps telling us to read it for ourselves.

Obviously he's never read it and obviously he can't defend why Obama repeatedly lied about Benghazi in the middle of his re-election campaign and yet he just keeps posting the same stuff...while condemning everyone for posting the same stuff.

Is this an act or is he really that schizophrenic?


tech: Posted: August 1, 2014 8:21 p.m.

"Tech, I don't know if Indy is pretending to be stupid to stir things up or if he is truly as stupid as his posts imply."

Pragmatically, what's the difference in effect, TRS? Rebut the inane assertions for the benefit of rational participants and move on is my modus operandi. You cannot persuade via facts and reason when an individual's raison d'être is emotion based polemics.


therightstuff: Posted: August 1, 2014 9:10 p.m.

Yeah...I hate it when an individual's raison d'etre is emotion based polemics.


ricketzz: Posted: August 2, 2014 10:31 a.m.

Tech, Capt Gene are bullies. They make jokes at the expense of others, for the pleasure of their "peers". Sometimes several pile on. This makes the "comments" kind of ugly and un-appealing. Try to grow up. Some of us take this stuff seriously. Thanks.


therightstuff: Posted: August 2, 2014 11:05 a.m.

Speaking of comments that are ugly and un-appealing:

ricketzz: Posted: August 2, 2014 7:36 a.m.

"""There are also studies that show that people who self identify as "conservatives" have physically abnormal brains and that religious people are just plain less intelligent than atheists."""

Perhaps you should try practicing what you preach, ricketzz.



tech: Posted: August 2, 2014 12:32 p.m.

"Tech, Capt Gene are bullies." - ricketzz

Although you use this term frequently, it appears you don't understand it's meaning, ricketzz. Effective arguments, rebuttals and exposure of farcical positions isn't bullying. Nor is mockery of illogic.

I know you're a fan of mobs but several participants making cogent observations isn't bullying either.

bully 1 |ˈbo͝olē| noun (pl. bullies)
a person who uses strength or power to harm or intimidate those who are weaker.
verb (bullies, bullying, bullied) [ with obj. ]
use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants: a local man was bullied into helping them.
ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: probably from Middle Dutch boele ‘lover.’ The original usage was as a term of endearment applied to either sex; later becoming a familiar form of address to a male friend. The current sense dates from the late 17th cent.


CaptGene: Posted: August 2, 2014 2:45 p.m.

As tech rightly pointed out, you are not being bullied, you are being mocked. I'm surprised an award winning news producer needs to have the difference explained to him.

Perhaps you fabricate the bullying narrative because enjoy playing the victim. Who knows, but if you are going to throw accusations around you better have something to back it up, this crowd will call you on it every time.

Now, if you don't want to be mocked, you should not post mock-worthy comments, like these:

cricketzz, from just this thread:

"Groupthink leads to fascism. Since we ARE fascist now, I gotta blame the right wing groupthink"

"Brian, I am an award winning news producer..."

"On KCET at 9AM is something called Democracy Now. This is real straight news by the non-commercial Pacifica Foundation"

"Some of us take this stuff seriously"

"The only odd thing about Benghazi is the lunatic fringe's obsession with it"


ricketzz: Posted: August 3, 2014 10:28 a.m.

Your inability to recognize that you and your peers are behaving like a clique of raging hormone jocks, is not surprising. The high school stars who left the best years of their lives on the Astroturf must now hang out on a virtual street corner and hassle the people who still believe we can help.

You can't bully me, I will fight back. You guys are embracing your inner cavemen and that is so cute. While you are attempting to inflate your flaccid egos by putting others down, I and my kind are sincerely trying to save your confused butts. We are open to starting a meaningful dialog going forward; first you must believe in truth.


CaptGene: Posted: August 3, 2014 12:29 p.m.

cricketzz: "We are open to starting a meaningful dialog going forward; first you must believe in truth"

And there you have it; "agree or be labelled". And you call us bullies, what a freaking hypocrite.


tech: Posted: August 3, 2014 1:18 p.m.

"You can't bully me, I will fight back." - ricketzz

Given your frequent whining, your statement is inexplicable. It's hilarious that you're still carrying a grade school chip on your shoulder, ricketzz.

By the way, you're not helping anyone by preaching totalitarianism and dystopia from your soapbox of hysteria.


ricketzz: Posted: August 4, 2014 11:17 a.m.

New Hysteria Green! With electrolytes! If I'm not deranged that means that you are! Sociopathy runs rampant in the corridors of power. Our society rewards bullies at the expense of everyone else. Once a bully always a bully. We should drug them same as child molesters.

Truth is not stipulated.

Unchanging. Provable. Knowable by reasonable people.



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