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Charlie Vignola: Bordering on madness

Posted: July 22, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: July 22, 2014 2:00 a.m.
 

This past Saturday morning, angry local conservatives gathered on one side of the Valencia Boulevard overpass of Interstate 5 to protest the child immigrants seeking refuge in the United States, and a counter-protest of progressives sympathetic to the plight of these poor kids gathered on the other side of the overpass.

My son and I thought it’d be interesting to head down there and participate in our very first political demonstration to see what these things were like first hand.

On one side of the overpass, people held up signs with Jesus and Martin Luther King, Jr., encouraging empathy and understanding for these children gathering at our borders after making such a dangerous journey. I held up a sign helpfully pointing out, “Superman Was An Illegal Alien.”

On the other side, people held up an altered American flag representing a creepy group known as The Oathkeepers who believe we need to be prepared to overthrow the U.S. government if necessary, the lovable

“Don’t Tread On Me” rattlesnake flag, and a flag with an assault rifle and the words “Come And Take It.”

There was real anger that President Obama was showing any hospitality towards these 52,000 poor kids pooling at our border and fleeing violence and poverty.

Seems like that’s the American way, to help the downtrodden, especially when they show up on your doorstep after a long and dangerous journey. But evidently, many on the right disagreed.

One of the problems is that most conservatives believe President Obama is rolling out the welcome mat for illegal immigrants, even though angry Latino civic leaders refer to him as the “Deporter-In-Chief.”

The truth? As of April 2014, Obama has deported over 2 million illegal immigrants, breaking the former record held by George W. Bush.

Eventually, I got up the nerve to head over to the other side, genuinely curious to talk to some of these people and see what they were thinking.

I was willing to give them the benefit of a doubt, but very quickly they confirmed my worst fears.

They were almost comically livid, claiming to not be Republicans or conservatives, even though they believed Obama should be impeached, that abortion should be illegal, that we should have more guns but no gun registration in case we need to fight the government soon, that global warming is a hoax, and that Benghazi is worse than Watergate.

And they believed that we should just abandon those thousands of helpless kids stranded at our border as a message to the rest of the world to stop sending your “huddled masses” to America, despite a 2008 law signed by George W. Bush — the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act — that clearly states we are legally bound to protect these children.

In talking to some of the protesters further, I came to realize that much of their animosity toward immigration — both legal and illegal — stems from a genuine sense of economic insecurity they feel and the well-founded fear that generates.

And while I’m sympathetic, I just think they’re focusing their rage on the wrong targets.

Don’t be angry at the poor folks who want to come here to scratch out a better life for their families — be angry at the companies that cut jobs and benefits and make their remaining employees do more for less so they can give their top execs raises and bonuses.

Be angry at the businesses and people willing to hire illegal immigrants at their farms, restaurants and car washes, to take care of their kids and cut their lawns.

Be angry at the transnational corporations who do business overseas to exploit slave labor wages and the right to pollute without consequence so they can make bigger profits and skip out on the corporate taxes they should be paying here in America.

Most of all, be angry at Congress for doing the bidding of business lobbyists to foster globalization and lopsided trade agreements that have helped U.S. corporations fatten up their bottom lines at the expense of American jobs and wages.

There are legitimate reasons for hard-working Americans to be furious, but if we waste all that energy being angry at the wrong problems and the wrong people, the landscape will never change and we’ll only have ourselves to blame.

The simple fact is that America loses its moral authority if it just shuts its doors on these poor children collecting at our borders and lets the world see us saying, “Tough luck, kids, find your own way home. America has no room and no desire to help you.”

Rationalize all you want, but that’s not a position that would make Jesus or the Founding Fathers proud of us.

I’m not pro-illegal immigration, but I am pro-compassion, and if a live kid is standing in front of you and desperately needs your help, you don’t get to skip that moral responsibility based on a technicality, misplaced economic fear or rigid political ideology — you help them, period.

Charlie Vignola is a former college Republican turned liberal Democrat. He lives in Fair Oaks Ranch, works in the motion picture industry and loves his wife and kids. “Democratic Voices” appears Tuesdays in The Signal.

 

Comments

CaptGene: Posted: July 22, 2014 9:46 a.m.

"The truth? As of April 2014, Obama has deported over 2 million illegal immigrants, breaking the former record held by George W. Bush."

Complete BS. See Chuckles, when I hear a stat like that, you know, the kind that sounds unbelievable, I actually bother to look it up:

"...the administration has started counting certain “returns” as “removals” in order to artificially inflate the numbers and create a “record level” of deportations. Specifically, those illegals caught by the Border Patrol who are shuttled to a different town along the border before they’re returned are being dishonestly counted as deportations."

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/316080/it-depends-what-meaning-br-deportations-mark-krikorian

It's a lie, and you're nothing more than a useful idiot for going out there parroting the lie. --edited.


ricketzz: Posted: July 22, 2014 10:07 a.m.

You are both right. It's "half True".

http://www.zebrafactcheck.com/politifact-deportation-deception/


OldReliable: Posted: July 22, 2014 10:35 a.m.

Charlie suggests that we forget our immigration laws, forget our southern border and allow all needy people to blatantly sneak into America.


CaptGene: Posted: July 22, 2014 10:44 a.m.

cricketts. from your link: "But while the number of removals has increased to record levels, the overall number of aliens leaving as a direct result of immigration enforcement stands at its lowest level in decades."

We are not both right, at least not according to your link. Just curious, did you even bother reading it?


therightstuff: Posted: July 22, 2014 10:44 a.m.

Like terrorists, shameless Democratic partisans use innocent children as shields against legitimate criticisms directed at this corrupt administration. While in Texas recently, their leader had time for a photo op at a local pool hall and a couple fund raisers but couldn't go visit the border where this tragedy is playing out. Yet, he and his minions will use the plight of these children to attack conservatives. That's really low, even for you Charlie.

Useless partisans like Vignola have been Democrats too long to know the truth about anything. Last week Obama finally surfaced from yet another series of fund raisers to react to the downing of the airliner over the Ukraine. I wanted to puke when he actually said with a straight face, "...the truth will come out..."

Yep...the guy who was awarded "2013 Lie of the Year" for lying about the healthcare law 37 times.

The guy who deliberately and repeatedly lied to cover up the terrorist attack in Benghazi that murdered four Americans.

The guy who appointed a political donor to investigate the IRS scandal while insisting there's not a smidgeon of corruption...wink...wink.

Barack Hussein Obama actually warned the Russians that "the truth will come out" This is beyond pathological, it borders mental illness. --edited.


chefgirl358: Posted: July 22, 2014 10:52 a.m.

Jesus or the Founding Fathers? First of all the founding fathers all owned slaves and killed American Indians! You really think they'd help these (often) diseased, gang banging kids that want to suck our country dry and mooch whatever they can? Yeah right! If they had let them stay here, they probably would've enslaved them and viewed them as 3rd world savages just as they viewed the Indians. Boy are you naive!

Jesus doesn't count in this, we shouldn't make US policy based on people's religious beliefs.

Yeah, we should really punish corporations that create well paying jobs for executives, just because they also have low level employees who don't have the skill level to earn a better wage. Some of these companies, like Walmart, employ the unemployable. Truly, they employ people that CANNOT get hired anywhere else. Many are "special" or slow and most companies wouldn't hire them at all, but Walmart even provides them insurance, but gosh dang them for having executives who earn high salaries and bonuses!

This guy is simply unreal. Freaking bleeding heart liberals are going to be the death of this country, it's already well underway. I'm not a big fan of a lot of republican policies either, but at least they're trying to keep our national freedoms intact and not legislate everyone to death by making them live in weird little special program, tax to death, law passing against everything seen as a danger, bubbles.


chico: Posted: July 22, 2014 11:21 a.m.

How did parents in central america find out about an obscure provision in a 2008 law signed by Bush?

So then are these kids technically legal immigrants?

It has been discovered that back in January the Federal Gov posted jobs for logistical company support in the movement of people at the border - so the gov knew it was coming.....

So I say we look at this with the Dominoes Delivery technique.

It's like one of your goofy friends orders pizza for your house as a prank.....you have no idea until you open the door, and there's this guy standing there in some stupid looking shoes....

Do you send him away, pay him? Pay him only if the pizza is a flavor you like?

When you pay him, he leaves, right?....he doesn't stay and eat with you does he?

It's probably cheaper and more moral for us to fly them back, first class everything, back to their parents who were insane or immoral in the first place for sending them off alone...

Who spread the 'promise' of an obscure law in the first place?

Was it immoral to put these kids in this position?


chico: Posted: July 22, 2014 11:24 a.m.

Do you think our do nothing Congress should fix this law now?


BrianBaker: Posted: July 22, 2014 11:38 a.m.

Something I rarely if ever see mentioned: in order for these "kids" -- many of them violent gangbangers from MS-13 and other gangs, but being under 18 still minors -- to have reached OUR border from Central America, they had to have transitioned Mexico somehow, unless Scotty beamed them over.

Mexico itself has Draconian laws against illegal immigration into its own country, which means that somehow these "kids" are getting from Mexico's southern border to our own.

How can that possibly be happening unless Mexico is complicit in transporting these "kids" to our border?

The reality is that we're bordered on the south by a failed nation-state rife with corruption. We need to wake up and acknowledge this FACT, and start acting accordingly.


reason1: Posted: July 22, 2014 11:46 a.m.

Anyone with intelligence should be cautious to take anything at face value from a writer who took a "Superman Was An Illegal Alien" to a protest.

The bottom line is a nation without a border isn't a nation.

Charlie mentions it was a protest against "child immigrants". Really. What about the vast majority who are adults, many with questionable backgrounds and health?

Anyone who feels we should let any and all who want to enter into our country is someone who is complicit in the downfall of our country.

In August of last year the Obama administration signed the "Family Interest Directive" which forbid ICE agents from arresting or even detaining any illegal in the care of a child. Is it any wonder why so many are now showing up with a child? It is Obama's free ticket to entry.


hepnerkid: Posted: July 22, 2014 11:50 a.m.

Charlie is so biased that nothing he writes is of any value. So many on the left rant instead of using logic for their hammer. Perhaps it is the only avenue left open. The 47% at the trough only want the trough to be kept filled. The rest of us who pay for it, would like a little intelligent dialogue. This leaves Charlie out of the game.


Nitesho: Posted: July 22, 2014 12:03 p.m.

"Do you think our do nothing Congress should fix this law now? "

What's wrong with it now...besides not being enforced?


DavePutnam: Posted: July 22, 2014 1:59 p.m.

Since you asked...http://immigrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/docs/Problem_Paper_FINAL_102109_0.pdf


projalice11: Posted: July 22, 2014 2:42 p.m.

"Obama is on track to deport 3 million immigrants without papers by the end of his second term"


BrianBaker: Posted: July 22, 2014 3:21 p.m.

Unfortunately for your PR regurgitation, Lois, turning them back at the border does NOT constitute "deportation".


therightstuff: Posted: July 22, 2014 4:45 p.m.

Finally we're starting to see some leadership to help resolve this problem. Texas Governor Rick Perry announced his decision yesterday to deploy 1,000 National Guard troops to the Texas/Mexico border. He said, "There can be no national security without border security, and Texans have paid too high a price for the federal government's failure to secure our border."

According to figures released by Gov. Perry's office, more than 200,000 illegal immigrants have been incarcerated in Texas jails in the past six years. They have committed a combined 640,000 crimes, "including more than 3,000 homicides and nearly 8,000 sexual assaults."

Lt. Governor David Dewhurst stressed yesterday that it's not just children who are streaming across the border. "We've seen estimates that at least a quarter of those apprehended have criminal records,"

Worthless Democrats would have you believe this is totally a humanitarian outreach for poor children and anyone who is opposed hates little children, especially Latino children. That's a big part of their mid-term election campaign. Make no mistake, this mass of illegal immigrants is also a trojan horse for all kinds of trouble.

Soooo....when Obama ignored all the warnings about this coming, was it deliberate or just more gross incompetence?


Nitesho: Posted: July 22, 2014 5:23 p.m.

"just more gross incompetence"

BINGO BINGO BINGO************


projalice11: Posted: July 22, 2014 9:25 p.m.

"Anti-Immigration Rally Blows Up in Teaparty's Face" in Council Bluff, Iowa **

Now that deserves more than three BINGO"S +++++++++


Indy: Posted: July 22, 2014 9:59 p.m.

Charlie,

I can appreciate the fear that many Americans have to losing their jobs to low wage workers. That’s a realty that has existed for a long time.

Likewise, it’s great to cite the US as a nation of immigrants knowing that my great great grandfather got a 20 acre parcel of land to farm in the late 1890s . . .

And indeed, globalization has forever changed the economic landscape.

The reality, however, is that most Americans are still be told that we can have ‘limitless growth’ as even Obama noted in his SOTU speech.

Many of the conservatives interestingly ‘share’ that view as well . . . but I’m sure they won’t mention the Obama agreement.

In any event, we need the nation to start actively talking about ‘sustainability’ . . . which means coming to grips with the over population and resource limitation issues facing all of us on the ‘fixed rock in space’.

Sadly, conservatives argue that there are no limitations and that ‘technology’ advancement will save us. There’s plenty to debate in that regard but suffice it to say that the ‘carrying capacity’ of the planet for the people on it has already been exceeded.

This is evidenced by the mass extinctions of life here as humans capture more and more of the native habitant and transfer the earth’s bio mass to humans.

Much more to discuss but you can see that the bigger picture stuff is lost when people are fearful for their livelihood . . . it’s tragic that the wealthy who are using folks as if labor is just something you ‘thrown away’ when you don’t need it . . . are abusing our political discourse by distorting it with slogans and talking points that play to a base but often has little connection to reality.

In conclusion, migration of people will create stress in the US . . . since even today, our public services are seeing their service levels drop . . .

And while reciting folklore is wonderful, American folklore has become outdated . . . but nobody that leads us want to accept that either.

We can use our collective intelligence to make things better but there is ‘no free lunch’.

And with our political discourse so poisoned with nonsense, making use of that intelligence will not be easy . . .


Indy: Posted: July 22, 2014 10:06 p.m.

therightstuff wrote: Worthless Democrats would have you believe this is totally a humanitarian outreach for poor children and anyone who is opposed hates little children, especially Latino children.

Indy: Using your vernacular, why did the worthless Bush W get a worthless congress with both worthless republicans and worthless democrats to pass the laws that protect immigrant children during his worthless administration?


therightstuff: Posted: July 22, 2014 10:38 p.m.

Speaking of worthless Democrats, Indy predictably gives his one and only defense of the corruption and ineptness of his leader, Barack Obama.

"....what about Bush...."

Y-A-W-N....wake us up when you think of something new.


AlwaysRight: Posted: July 23, 2014 1:51 p.m.

"Charlie Vignola: Bordering on Madness"

Kudos to Signal staff for great title. Its going on my 'fridge. LOL


CaptGene: Posted: July 23, 2014 2:49 p.m.

Great catch AR, finally, truth in advertising!


Indy: Posted: July 23, 2014 5:39 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: speaking of worthless Democrats, Indy predictably gives his one and only defense of the corruption and ineptness of his leader, Barack Obama.

Indy: Again: Using your vernacular, why did the worthless Bush W get a worthless congress with both worthless republicans and worthless democrats to pass the laws that protect immigrant children during his worthless administration?


therightstuff: Posted: July 23, 2014 7:11 p.m.

"""Again...why did Bush...."""

While the current president refuses to go the border while in Texas so he can do a photo-op at a pool hall and attend political fundraisers and now wants $3.7-billion to clean up his mess by ignoring ample warnings of the tens of thousands of illegal children arriving at our doorstep, the only thing hapless Obama wh0res can say after five years is....

duuuuhhhh.....what about Bush????


Indy: Posted: July 23, 2014 8:50 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Speaking of worthless Democrats, Indy predictably gives his one and only defense of the corruption and ineptness of his leader, Barack Obama.

"....what about Bush...."

Indy: It’s a very good talking point that conservatives use to ‘distance’ themselves from the failures of both conservative ideology and of Bush W that include:

- Sitting by and watching the market crash in 2007
- More than 750,000 Americans were losing their jobs in the last month of Bush W
- Bush W ‘doubled’ the national debt even though he had both houses of congress for 6 years!
- Funded two wars on ‘debt’ and didn’t pay for . . .
- Refused to accept UN inspectors ‘first hand’ knowledge that Iraq had no WMDs . . .
- Failed to grasp the nature of sectarian hatreds in Iraq before invading
- Did NOTHING to reform health care other than Medicare Part D which he ‘delayed’!
- sealed Chenny's 'energy plan' for the US . . .
- Watched the NSA spy on Americans and did nothing . . .
- Made the US a nation that 'tortures' . . .
- You can just go on and on . . .

Trying to ‘cover up’ theses failure hides the reality from the public . . . thus the ‘blame Bush’ talking point.

Thankfully, history isn’t ‘controlled’ by conservatives . . . so we’ll see how the public ‘sizes’ up the election in November . . .


therightstuff: Posted: July 23, 2014 8:56 p.m.

Sad...truly sad...


projalice11: Posted: July 23, 2014 10:25 p.m.

"Thankfully, history isn’t ‘controlled’ by conservatives" AMEN


Nitesho: Posted: July 24, 2014 12:09 p.m.

"Thankfully, history isn’t ‘controlled’ by conservatives" AMEN

Unfortunately, it's controlled by the liberal teachers and professors that fail to TEACH history. They editorialize, apologize and ignore facts. I read my kids history books and they are fill with errors, omissions and sometimes, outright lies.

40 years of indoctrination has lowered the standards of American from #1 to just another country in the nations alphabet soup.

Case in point...My kids Spanish 2 teacher. Didn't teach him a lick of spanish this year. He railed on about Don Sterling, Bill Gates and how he should get paid more for the hours he puts in. He praised socialism (Not a joke, but literally), He said everyone should have the same wage and all be rich and not work so long. We would have reported him but didn't because of possible retaliation. And yes, this is happening right now in the Hart School District, in the SCV.


ricketzz: Posted: July 25, 2014 10:17 a.m.

While you were trying to win bonus points being rude to each other the Treasury was cleaned out and they are in the process of taking all our oil and water. Where do deserts come from? From corporate boardrooms in Houston and London. There will be nothing of value left. King George wins.


tech: Posted: July 25, 2014 5:03 p.m.

"Where do deserts come from? From corporate boardrooms in Houston and London." - ricketzz

What a curious hypothesis!

Sahara Desert Was Once Lush and Populated

Some 12,000 years ago, the only place to live along the eastern Sahara Desert was the Nile Valley. Being so crowded, prime real estate in the Nile Valley was difficult to come by. Disputes over land were often settled with the fist, as evidenced by the cemetery of Jebel Sahaba where many of the buried individuals had died a violent death.

But around 10,500 years ago, a sudden burst of monsoon rains over the vast desert transformed the region into habitable land.

This opened the door for humans to move into the area, as evidenced by the researcher's 500 new radiocarbon dates of human and animal remains from more than 150 excavation sites.

"The climate change at [10,500 years ago] which turned most of the [3.8 million square mile] large Sahara into a savannah-type environment happened within a few hundred years only, certainly within less than 500 years," said study team member Stefan Kroepelin of the University of Cologne in Germany.

http://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html


Allan_Cameron: Posted: July 26, 2014 6:59 a.m.

One introduced variable into a system does not, in any way, preclude the introduction of other variables during a given time period.

Humans are currently burning billions of fires every single day, world wide.

It seems to be the steady, fully unexplored contention of climate change doubters, that these billions of fires are without effect on climate.

Why is that? Could it really be that some would deny that billions of new fires each day have no effect?


tech: Posted: July 26, 2014 6:12 p.m.

No one doubts that climate changes, Mr. Cameron. No one.

Therefore, there are no climate change "deniers" or "doubters". The framing is a straw man in itself for non-scientific purposes.

Global climate is the most complex system scientists have ever attempted to model and they're subject to constant revision due to variance against real data.


tech: Posted: July 26, 2014 6:29 p.m.

Additionally, I wouldn't say it's an unexplored aspect of indoor/outdoor pollution.

Household air pollution and health

Key facts

• Around 3 billion people cook and heat their homes using open fires and simple stoves burning biomass (wood, animal dung and crop waste) and coal.

• Over 4 million people die prematurely from illness attributable to the household air pollution from cooking with solid fuels.

• More than 50% of premature deaths among children under 5 are due to pneumonia caused by particulate matter (soot) inhaled from household air pollution.

• 3.8 million premature deaths annually from noncommunicable diseases including stroke, ischaemic heart disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) and lung cancer are attributed to exposure to household air pollution.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs292/en/

Evolution by Fire

ANTHROPOLOGISTS and evolutionary biologists have long sought to understand what makes humans special. How did we develop large brains, for example? Moore professor of biological anthropology Richard Wrangham offers a fresh perspective in his new book, Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human, in which he argues that cooking—because it made more calories available from existing foods and reduced the caloric cost of digestion—was the breakthrough technological innovation that allowed humans to support big brains. He also suggests that cooking shaped the human mating system, among many other effects.

http://harvardmagazine.com/2009/11/cooking-and-human-evolution


ricketzz: Posted: July 27, 2014 10:59 a.m.

AGW denial is the pathology and you know it. Playing semantic games and other misdirection is whistling past the graveyard, where the caskets are starting to float away.

The models have been proven to be very accurate by Dr Muller, remember? We discussed this already. Why do you forget the real science? What is your major malfunction?


17trillion: Posted: July 28, 2014 4:32 p.m.

"What is your major malfunction?"

So says the guy who admits he takes medication for a mental issue.


tech: Posted: July 29, 2014 1:54 a.m.

"…caskets starting to float away." - ricketzz

"Pathology"? Your hysteria is amusing.


ricketzz: Posted: July 29, 2014 9:22 a.m.

When did I say that? What medication was it? Do I take pain meds for psychiatric issues? Do I take psych meds for pain relief? Autism is not a major malfunction in my case. I compensated well for 40 years. I was only diagnosed 3 years ago. It ain't like I had a life of weird disability or anything. I almost made it all the way through with those suppressed memories. Self-delusion is a two edged Bowie knife. It saves us and can destroy us. It can make our personal reality balloon seem most definitely universal, when alas it only applies to a very vain part of ones self.

Floating caskets and floods are "fellow travelers". Flooding and drought are the future of America.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=flood+caskets+floating&t=lm


tech: Posted: July 29, 2014 10:40 p.m.

Flooding and drought have always been part of America. Nothing new to hyperventilate about.

Susquehanna River flood – September 1861
Torrential rain and a logjam initiated the flood at the Susquehanna on September 28. Debris in the flood waters swept the Keating railroad bridge away. Sinnemahoning cemeteries were flooded, and some of its bodies moved downstream.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floods_in_the_United_States_before_1901


ricketzz: Posted: July 30, 2014 12:41 p.m.

No extreme weather events are "unprecedented". What is new is the frequency, the breadth of these phenomena. The weather is driven in part by the temperature difference between the poles and the tropics. The temperature at the North Pole is rising faster than temperature anywhere is rising. There is an inference that the thermohaline circulating currents are being modified. These currents have a massive effect on weather. Heat adds energy to the system. Energy adds chaos. Chaos creates famine.

Funny story, an oil refinery wants the government to protect its shoreline from AGW induced sea level rise.


Indy: Posted: July 30, 2014 8:54 p.m.

Tech wrote: No one doubts that climate changes, Mr. Cameron. No one. Therefore, there are no climate change "deniers" or "doubters". The framing is a straw man in itself for non-scientific purposes.

Global climate is the most complex system scientists have ever attempted to model and they're subject to constant revision due to variance against real data.

Indy: Yes, the model . . .

The most apparent problem that climate change deniers have is the alignment with the rise in CO2 that corresponds to the massive burning of fossil fuels that started the industrial age.

Just the US burns each year:

1.1 billion TONS of coal (about three tons per American)

7 billion barrels of oil (about 22 barrels per American)

20+ trillion cubic feet of natural gas (about 70,000 cubic feet per American)

I do hope there’s some comparison to the people using wood, cow dung, and other forms of fossil based materials to cook and heat from.

But just looking at the coal amount makes it unlikely a small family of say 4 in the developing world would burn 12 tons of wood or cow dung ‘each year’ to survive . . .

In any event, the models get better . . . and are used to confirm ‘what we can see happening’ from the hottest month on record to rising concentration of CO2.

At the end of the day, the human population has exceeded by its numbers the ‘carrying capacity’ of the planet . . . thus the more we consume, the more we disrupt the natural systems that support us.

Ignoring this will only have the most disastrous consequences . . . but these realities are ignored by libertarian market fundamentalist . . .


tech: Posted: July 30, 2014 9:03 p.m.

No extreme weather events are "unprecedented". - ricketzz

So the assertion goes. Give me an "extreme weather event" and I'll provide a historical precedent as I did with your casket example.


tech: Posted: July 30, 2014 9:06 p.m.

The Great Heat Wave of 1936; Hottest Summer in U.S. on Record
By: Christopher C. Burt , 10:10 PM GMT on July 21, 2011

The Great Heat Wave of 1936; Hottest Summer in U.S. on Record

As the eastern two-thirds of the United States continues to swelter under some of the hottest temperatures seen in recent years I thought it opportune to look back at the nation’s worst heat wave and hottest summer in history, that of 1936.

1936; A Year of Extremes

The climatological summer (June-August) of 1936 was the warmest nationwide on record (since 1895) with an average temperature of 74.6° (2nd warmest summer was that of 2006 with an average of 74.4°) and July of 1936 was the single warmest month ever measured with an average of 77.4° (beating out July 2006 by .1°). Ironically, February of 1936 was the coldest such on record with an average nationwide temperature of 26.0° (single coldest month on record was January 1977 with a 23.6° average). In February of 1936 temperatures fell as low as -60° in North Dakota, an all-time state record and Turtle Lake, North Dakota averaged -19.4° for the entire month, the coldest average monthly temperature ever recorded in the United States outside of Alaska. One town in North Dakota, Langdon, went for 41 consecutive days below zero (from January 11 to February 20), the longest stretch of below zero (including maximum temperatures) ever endured at any site in the lower 48.

With this in mind, it is truly astonishing what occurred the following summer. The temperature in North Dakota that had reached -60° on February 15 at Parshall rose to 121° at Steele by July 6, 1936. The two towns are just 110 miles from one another!

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/the-great-heat-wave-of-1936-hottest-summer-in-us-on-record


ricketzz: Posted: August 1, 2014 11:00 a.m.

Are you trying to imply 1936 was hotter than today globally? Not even close.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A.gif


tech: Posted: August 1, 2014 8:49 p.m.

I'm not implying anything. I'm explicitly relaying that "The Great Heat Wave of 1936; Hottest Summer in U.S. on Record".



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