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The IRS is far from earning back our trust

Posted: June 30, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: June 30, 2014 2:00 a.m.
 

John Koskinen is the commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service, arguably the most powerful and feared bureaucracy in the federal government.

When you see his picture, who does he remind you of? Doesn’t he bring to mind the character of Mr. Burns in the long-running TV series The Simpsons? Sure does to me.

And like that character, he has the ability to destroy people’s lives through the wanton exercise of raw, sheer power, in his case via his agency’s ability to direct the force of government against individuals and organizations.

The only check against such naked power is Congress.
We all know about the scandal surrounding the IRS’s illegal targeting of conservative organizations for harassment, and the efforts by the House of Representatives to get to the bottom of that mess.

And those acts took place before Koskinen’s assumption of the reins of that agency.

But when he took over the agency six months ago he vowed to be proactive “in restoring public trust” to that institution (Bloomberg News, Jan. 7).

So how’s he doing?

I think the latest development sums it up pretty well. It seems the IRS has “lost” several years’ worth of emails that Lois Lerner, the miscreant at the center of this whole fiasco, sent out to her minions — emails that anyone with half a brain realizes could prove to be very incriminating, not only to her but to others farther up the political food chain.

Quite possibly as high as the Oval Office itself.

Bear in mind this is the exact same agency that won’taccept your excuse that you lost your receipts for some tax deduction you claimed.

And how has Koskinen reacted when asked by Darryl Issa’s House committee members about these “lost” emails?
With absolute smug sanctimony, contempt, arrogance, and a rigid refusal to even offer any kind of apology for the malfeasance of his agency.

Way to go in “restoring public trust” in the IRS, John-Boy!

This, my friends, is what the face of arrogance looks like.

When Nixon was president the Watergate scandal took center stage. Members of the House from both parties set aside partisanship to ensure the rule of law prevailed.

Nixon resigned, and several members of his staff, including then-Attorney General John Mitchell, went to prison for acts that were utterly benign compared to the level of outright corruption we’re seeing from this administration.

The ongoing IRS mess; Operation Fast & Furious; the Benghazi affair; the NSA spying on civilians; the illegal “rewriting” of laws, such as all the Obamacare extensions and exceptions; the imperial imposition of “rules,” such as through the EPA, that far exceed presidential authority; the failure of the Justice Department and the FBI to pursue action based on political considerations; the outright refusal to enforce immigration law and border security; the Veterans Administration letting vets die on secret “waiting lists”; the list goes on and on and on.

This president and his minions have absolutely no regard for the rule of law that I can see. The level of corruption in this administration is simply unprecedented. Koskinen’s is only the latest face in a Rogue’s Gallery of arrogance, personified.

Further, this corruption of our system is being willfully abetted by the Democrat members of Congress who are facilitating the destruction by not only standing idle, but actively supporting the administration’s efforts.

I’m talking about people like Harry Reid, Elijah Cummings, Nancy Pelosi, and far too many others to name.

Jonathan Turley is a well-known professor of law at George Washington University Law School with a self-described “socially liberal agenda” (per Wiki), often seen on various news shows as a commentator and expert analyst, and has had many of his works published.

On his own blog he’s written a couple of essays that are well on point. In one, “How Nixon Won Watergate,” which was also published in USA Today, he states, “The painful fact is that Barack Obama is the president that Nixon always wanted to be.”

He expands on that topic in his essay “A Question of Power: The Imperial Presidency,” which was also published last month in American Legion Magazine.

In that essay he writes, “The shift of power to the presidency certainly did not start with President Barack Obama. To the contrary, this trend has been gaining ground for decades.

“But it has accelerated under Obama, who has succeeded to a degree that would have made Richard Nixon blush.”

If Nixon would be blushing, Obama and his acolytes have exceeded all bounds.

Brian Baker is a Saugus resident.

Comments

ricketzz: Posted: June 30, 2014 7:10 a.m.

The Unitary Executive will survive as long as the AUMF and the NDAA says it will last. After 9-11 you gave George W. Bush sweeping Executive authority, much of it "dictatorial" in nature. The President traditionally will amass all the power possible, as part of duty to the office. Once authority is granted it's hard to take back. Declare peace. Strip the President of war power executive authority.

And try to get a grip. You sound like a crazy person.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 30, 2014 7:20 a.m.

Hearing YOU criticize anyone for sounding like a "crazy person" is pretty hilarious, ricketzz.

You ever look in a mirror?


philellis: Posted: June 30, 2014 7:20 a.m.

ricketzz, who is this "you" you reference? "And try to get a grip. You sound like a crazy person"


ricketzz: Posted: June 30, 2014 7:55 a.m.

When I drive I use mirrors. Just for one magic moment imagine I am correct and that you have been hustled by the mass media. See if stuff doesn't all start to make sense.

The biggest shareholder at Fox News, outside the Rupert Murdoch family, is a Saudi Prince. The "war" is between Sunni (Saudi Arabia) and Shia (Iran). If we are smart we manipulate both sides. To do that we need to be able to say "no" to their heroin, er, oil.

Instead of just using the blood feud as justification for more drilling let's also let it motivate faster adoption of clean power. Put the coal miners in school and train them to manufacture PV panels; install them on rooftops. (Put Mr. Murray in the funny farm. I hope Obama has been messing with him!)


BrianBaker: Posted: June 30, 2014 8:00 a.m.

Oh, stop. Your loony comments don't even make any sense.

I even quoted my sources. Do you see Fox News in there anywhere?

You guys' obsession with Fox is the thing that's absolutely crazy around here.


CaptGene: Posted: June 30, 2014 8:01 a.m.

cricketzz: "See if stuff doesn't all start to make sense"

Your ramblings would make sense to a crazy person, I imagine.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 30, 2014 8:09 a.m.

I included the links to my sources in my original LTE submission. The Signal staff evidently elected to not include them. Here they are:

Koskinen's testimony: C-SPAN

Koskinen interview: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-01-07/new-irs-chief-koskinen-says-restoring-trust-takes-time-taxes

Turley's Wiki bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Turley

First Turley article: http://jonathanturley.org/2013/03/26/how-nixon-won-watergate/

Second Turley article: http://jonathanturley.org/2014/05/21/a-question-of-power-the-imperial-presidency/


See anything with or by "Fox" included in there anywhere?

You guys need to stop with your nutty obsession. --edited.


ronos: Posted: June 30, 2014 8:35 a.m.

Watch Fox News Much ? Balanced with "The Simpsons" you've really got your fingers on the pulse of the inner workings of the US government..


BrianBaker: Posted: June 30, 2014 8:49 a.m.

Didn't read the comments, did'ja ronos?


You leftists and your obsession with Fox are pathetic.

But then, I guess you don't have to be able to actually THINK when you've got HuffPo and MoveOn to give you your talking points and marching orders.


projalice11: Posted: June 30, 2014 9:01 a.m.

Talk about nutty obessions:

* Bengahazi/ Tragic
* IRS/ Issa steppping stone to fame and money
* The release of Berghadl/ Moral Obligation
* Obama/ Will out smart you
* Hillary/ 2016
* Government/ Big Government will prevail
* Impeachment/ Try as you may
* Suing the President/ HA HA HA
* Immigration/ Will come to pass
* Abortion/ Will come o Pass
* Equal Pay/ Will come to pass
* Obama Care/ Done deal
* Gun Control/ Pitiful
* Voting rights/ Will prevail
* Obstruction/ At all cost
* War on Poverty/ No conscience
* Denying Climate Change and Global Warming/ Sad
* Etc Etc Etc.


hepnerkid: Posted: June 30, 2014 9:21 a.m.

An excellent article as usual. The usual suspects have clamored out of the woodwork which I knew would happen when I read your piece this morning. The emperor has a new gig that he is working on called "so sue me" which is gladdening liberal hearts everywhere. A twitter feed that both he and Michelle seem to think has great value. All we can do is to keep telling them how it is and wait for the chickens to come home. The majority of the American people will throw these bums out because what they do is too harmful to society and will be changed. We will continue to point out the absurdity of these policies and look forward to this period becoming an embarrassing footnote in U.S. history


BrianBaker: Posted: June 30, 2014 9:37 a.m.

Thanks, hepner. I appreciate the kind words.

I hadn't read about the ObaMessiah's new "sue me" stance. Interesting that they should take that position, as it hasn't been working out so well for him, what with the SCOTUS rulings on his NLRB appointments and today's decision on the Hobby Lobby case.

Ah, well... Super-glued on stupid, as usual.


hepnerkid: Posted: June 30, 2014 10:03 a.m.

The usual sycophants are writing their comments on how badly the right is treating the anointed one. One person commented that their small child kissed the t v when his likeness is shown. A president of the U. S. is to be respected not worshipped. It brings back images of the lady in Detroit who thought she would get a new car when he was elected. Hope and Change. How is that working out for all of us?


BrianBaker: Posted: June 30, 2014 10:09 a.m.

Hahahaha!

Yeah... and the "where's my Obama phone???" woman, too.

The irony is that Romney was correct in his "47%" so-called "gaffe". The mooches will ALWAYS vote for the guy promising the freebies and handouts.

So now the truth is a "gaffe".


philellis: Posted: June 30, 2014 10:54 a.m.

Talk about nutty obessions:

* Bengahazi/ Tragic

Anyone else besides Lois think that the deaths at Benghazi where not tragic?


CastaicClay: Posted: June 30, 2014 10:55 a.m.

GleeOP club drivel.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 30, 2014 10:58 a.m.

Sorry, CastaicClay. As usual, you're fact-challenged. As I've said here now about a thousand times, I'm not a Repub.


But then, you're a Dem/socialist. None of you guys care a bit about actual facts.


tech: Posted: June 30, 2014 11:14 a.m.

An on point column, Brian.

Compare and contrast Koskinen's demeanor with an IRS commissioner in similar circumstances:

In the scandal involving the Internal Revenue Service, the IRS commissioner refused to play along with a corrupt administration, the New York Times reports. A White House aide handed him a list of 200 political "enemies" the president wanted investigated. In response, the commissioner asked: "Do you realize what you're doing?" Then, he answered his own rhetorical question: "If I did what you asked, it'd make Watergate look like a Sunday school picnic."

The White House aide's reply was "emphatic," according to the Times: ""The man I work for doesn't like somebody to say 'no.' "

The commissioner went to his boss, the Treasury secretary, "showed him the list and recommended that the I.R.S. do nothing." The secretary "told him to lock the list in his safe." Later, he retrieved the list and turned it over to congressional investigators.

It's enough to restore your trust in the government--except that it happened more than 40 years ago. The corrupt order was delivered by John Dean in September 1972. The commissioner, Johnnie Walters, eventually "testified to various committees investigating alleged Nixon misdeeds," the Times reports. "He left office in April 1973." He died Tuesday; the Times article we've been quoting is his obituary.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/best-of-the-web-today-johnnie-walters-rip-1403898310

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/26/us/politics/johnnie-m-walters-ex-irs-chief-dies-at-94.html?_r=0


tech: Posted: June 30, 2014 11:16 a.m.

Court Grants Judicial Watch Hearing over Missing IRS Emails

Late breaking news: Judicial Watch today filed a Motion for Status Conference in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia to confer about the emails of Lois Lerner and other IRS officials, which were the subject of longstanding Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests and a lawsuit, and which the IRS now claims to have “lost” (Judicial Watch v. IRS (No. 1:13-cv–1559)). U.S. District Court Judge Emmet G. Sullivan almost immediately granted our request and ordered a federal court hearing on the missing IRS emails be set for July 10!

The emails Judicial Watch has sought since May 2013 cover portions of the same period for which the IRS on June 13, 2014, notified the House Committee on Ways and Means were lost or destroyed. Yet, as we informed the Judge Sullivan today, the IRS failed to notify either Judicial Watch or the court concerning the “lost” emails:

Plaintiff’s FOIA requests and the Committee’s request indisputably seek the same emails of Lois Lerner and the other IRS officials, including Nikole Flax, from January 1, 2010 to the present. Despite the obvious relevance, IRS has still not notified the Court or Plaintiff of the destruction of emails and whether the same issues relating to production of emails of Lois Lerner or the other six IRS officials exist in this lawsuit. Plaintiff only learned of the destroyed records on June 13, 2014, when the news media reported on the existence of IRS’s letter to Congress about the status of the emails.

In May 2013, Judicial Watch submitted four separate FOIA requests for IRS communications concerning the review process for organizations seeking tax exempt status. One of the FOIA requests specifically sought Lerner’s communications with other IRS employees and with any government or private entity outside the IRS regarding the review and approval process for 501(c)(4) applicants from January 1, 2010, to the present. A second request sought communications for the same time frame between the IRS and members of Congress and other government agencies, as well as any office of the Executive Branch. After the IRS failed to provide the information, Judicial Watch filed a FOIA lawsuit on October 9, 2013.

And there is little doubt that our FOIA lawsuit led to the discovery of the “lost” emails:

As revealed in the announcement by the Committee, IRS confirmed that it first knew of the lost emails in February 2014. See Exhibit 3. This was during the same time frame IRS made its first production of responsive records to Plaintiff in this case on February 26, 2014. See IRS’ Status Update Report (ECF No. 15). The timing of these events reveals that the discovery of the supposedly lost emails was triggered by this lawsuit. However, IRS has still not informed this Court or Plaintiff regarding the missing emails in this litigation.

(cont.)


tech: Posted: June 30, 2014 11:16 a.m.

And, to put it charitably, the IRS subsequently may have intentionally omitted material information from the court:

On April 30, 2014, IRS submitted its Status Update to the Court (ECF No. 15) regarding its ongoing search and production in this case, which was after the discovery of the missing records. Although IRS had knowledge of the missing Lois Lerner emails and of the other IRS officials, it materially omitted any mention of the missing records in its Status Update.

This FOIA lawsuit led to key revelations, including emails showing that, in response to pressure from Senate Democrats, the IRS and Lerner communicated with the Department of Justice about possibly prosecuting tax-exempt groups involved in political speech. And last month, the lawsuit forced the release of IRS documents showing, contrary to what President Obama has said, the delays of Tea Party applications was directed out of the agency’s headquarters in Washington, DC. The documents also show extensive pressure on the IRS by Senator Carl Levin (D-MI) to shut down conservative-leaning tax-exempt organizations.

It is well past time for the Obama administration to answer to a federal court about its cover-up and destruction of records.

(On October 21, 2013, Judicial Watch released email exchanges between Lerner and enforcement attorneys at the Federal Election Commission (FEC) indicating that the IRS provided detailed, confidential information concerning the tax exempt application status and returns of conservative groups to the FEC in violation of federal law. Included with the email exchanges were IRS questionnaires to a conservative group that contained questions of a hostile nature. The emails were produced to Judicial Watch by the FEC in response to an August 9, 2013, FOIA request. By the way, none of these FEC emails with Lerner have been produced by the IRS.)

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/weekly-updates/jw-gets-court-hearing-missing-irs-emails/


BrianBaker: Posted: June 30, 2014 11:33 a.m.

Thanks, tech.

That was a great reference to the actions of the IRS Commissioner in the Nixon era. That's indicative of EXACTLY the reason I raised Nixon in my LTE.

Nixon's administration sheltered many "conspirators", and as I wrote, several of the ended up in the Graybar Hotel.

But there were PLENTY of other people who wouldn't play along -- on BOTH sides of the aisle -- and hence Nixon's downfall.

Contrast that to what's happening now. It is com-puh-letely disgusting. The Democrat party has lost ANY credibility or moral authority they may have had.


therightstuff: Posted: June 30, 2014 12:22 p.m.

Bravo Brian. Ignore the noise from the Obama zealots. He can never do any wrong in their partisan eyes.

Remember when Obama said he was "outraged" about all this? He said he would have no patience with it, we must find out what happened, people would be held accountable and it would get fixed. Over a year later we still don't know what happened, no one has been held accountable, and nothing has been fixed. Instead all we've seen is highly disturbing behavior and explanations.

Today, Obama is no longer outraged but considers this a phony scandal without a smidgen of corruption.

What changed?


therightstuff: Posted: June 30, 2014 12:37 p.m.

Two big differences between Nixon and Obama.

With Nixon, you had Republicans with honor and refused to support Nixon. Good luck finding a Democrat with honor today.

The media also took their jobs seriously and covered Watergate. According to the Media Research Center, the three major networks devoted .02% of their air time in June following the IRS story. Total wh0res.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 30, 2014 12:41 p.m.

Thanks for the kind words, TRS.

I never worry when the "usual suspects" get their panties in a wad. Hell, that's most of the fun of writing this stuff! I LOVE it when I hear (or see) that some lefty got his morning ruined by something I wrote.

My ex and I are still very good friends, and a couple of years ago she told me about a conversation she had with the husband some friend of hers who's a lefty (the husband's the lefty), apparently at some party my ex and her husband were attending.

Anyway, somehow or another the topic of ex-spouses came up, and my ex mentioned me by name. The guy asked if I was the same Brian Baker who wrote all those LTEs and columns in the Signal, and she said I was. Then, reportedly, the guy came kind of unglued and said how every time he reads one of my scribblings he gets completely p***ed off.

When I heard that, it made my day.


As to the ObaMessiah... yeah, the guy's got absolutely zero credibility on anything he says. There's always the "Wow! I just learned about it in the newspaper, just like you!" nonsense, which means he's either the most incompetent "executive" ever or a flat-out liar; followed by the "We'll investigate and get to the bottom of it" bullsheep; then the l-o-o-o-ng silence while he hopes it'll all just dry up and blow away; followed by the inevitable "It's a phony 'scandal'" meme.

The guy obviously has absolutely no respect for the intelligence of the American people as a whole (though there's probably at least SOME basis in fact for that idea. After all, how ELSE could he ever have gotten elected, let alone twice), because he keeps telling the same old nonsense endlessly and repeatedly.

Ultimately, no matter how stupid people are collectively, even the dimmest candle in the candelabra's going to catch on that they're being lied to.


therightstuff: Posted: June 30, 2014 12:46 p.m.

And of course, where is the Attorney General in all this? The House (including 26 Democrats) asked him to investigate and do his job. The chief law enforcement officer in America isn't even 'curious' that years of critical evidence has been mysteriously destroyed. He's nothing more than Obama's personal ambulance chaser.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 30, 2014 12:55 p.m.

He's a two-dollar hooker.


Indy: Posted: June 30, 2014 1:56 p.m.

Sadly, the Op-ed writer starts demeaning the IRS commission with some back handed reference to a TV show and thus just goes on with the standardized conservative contempt of the IRS.

What the writer leaves out are the basic questions that most voters would be interested in including:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties

Why do republicans cut funding for improved IRS computers? The Op-ed writer ignored that.

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?

If there’s a real scandal in all of this, it’s the avoidance by republicans to deal with the inappropriate contributions from large financial donors that is destroying our democracy.

In any event, it’s wonderful to entertain conservative readers by reciting RNC talking points but at the end of the day, republicans in congress are little more than complainers about their own induced problems.


Indy: Posted: June 30, 2014 1:59 p.m.

BrianBaker wrote: I even quoted my sources. Do you see Fox News in there anywhere?

Indy: I encourage the guest readers to ‘view’ Fox . . . listen to their news anchors ‘frame’ the news with their conservative ideology.

I find that it’s almost impossible to understand where the Fox political opinion stops and the news actually begins!

But see for yourself . . . and you’ll find that the talking points outlined in this Op-ed are routinely presented every day at Fox.

So not mentioning them does little to really change anything the Op-ed writer has written.


Indy: Posted: June 30, 2014 2:07 p.m.

Hepnerkid wrote: The usual sycophants are writing their comments on how badly the right is treating the anointed one.

Indy: When you read statements like this at a public forum, would you entrust your nation’s future to folks like this?

Sadly, the RNC has chosen to character assassinate anyone that ‘dares’ challenged the failing conservative ideology beliefs that are recited by the Op-ed writer at this forum daily.

It’s amazing that this poster, however, hasn’t grasped the nature of voting in America where the President is elected by ‘majority vote’.

Would the poster have noted that if Romney won, he was ‘anointed’? Of course not.

This type of poster wants to appeal to your ideology while ignoring the reality we face.

Republicans have become little more than ‘whiners and criers’ about our national affairs and as we’ve seen in congress during the Obama Administration, they obstruct every Bill . . . essentially shutting down the activities of why we elected congress members to govern.

You’ll again have a chance this November to vote out the people that aren’t doing anything . . . that can do little more than recite slogans and ideology while ignoring the issues facing us.


therightstuff: Posted: June 30, 2014 2:19 p.m.

Indy, what have you heard on Fox about the IRS that was factually inaccurate?


BrianBaker: Posted: June 30, 2014 2:54 p.m.

Indy: "But see for yourself . . . and you’ll find that the talking points outlined in this Op-ed are routinely presented every day at Fox."


And read all the endless and inane gibberish from Indy to find out what talking points are being issued by HuffPo and MoveOn and MSNBC and Marx's manifesto.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 30, 2014 3:10 p.m.

Oh, perfect.

SCOTUS ruled against Fearless Leader in the Hobby Lobby case, and check out the response:

https://twitter.com/search?q=white%20house%20%22Supreme%20Court%22%20mitigate&src=typd

"Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters · 5h

"#BREAKING: White House will consider whether president can act on his own to mitigate effect of Supreme Court contraception ruling"



Yet another example, as if one was even needed, that this arrogant Caesar-wannabe couldn't care less what the Constitution says.


Indy: Posted: June 30, 2014 5:49 p.m.

BrianBaker wrote: Indy: "But see for yourself . . . and you’ll find that the talking points outlined in this Op-ed are routinely presented every day at Fox."


And read all the endless and inane gibberish from Indy to find out what talking points are being issued by HuffPo and MoveOn and MSNBC and Marx's manifesto.

Indy: Notice the poster can’t and won’t answer these questions:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?

All we get is a recitals about other media outlets . . .


Indy: Posted: June 30, 2014 5:53 p.m.

BrianBaker wrote: Oh, perfect. SCOTUS ruled against Fearless Leader in the Hobby Lobby case, and check out the response:

Indy: It’s not surprising that this poster can’t grasp the consequences of this decision.

Now your employer can discriminate against you the employee, if you won’t support your employer’s ‘private and personal’ religious beliefs.

A clear violation of the 1st Amendment’s separation of church and state.

But sadly, we’ve got three theocrats on the SCOTUS (Scalia, Thomas, Alito) that simply put their religious conservative ideology above the freedom and security of Americans.

There are consequences for voting and this is one of them . . .


therightstuff: Posted: June 30, 2014 7:06 p.m.

Indy: """Notice the poster can’t and won’t answer these questions:"""

I noticed you didn't answer MY question, Indy. Let's try again.

What have you heard on Fox News about the IRS that was factually inaccurate?


Indy: Posted: June 30, 2014 7:19 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """Notice the poster can’t and won’t answer these questions:"""

I noticed you didn't answer MY question, Indy. Let's try again.

What have you heard on Fox News about the IRS that was factually inaccurate?

Indy: Hard to understand and flush out the ‘facts’ about the IRS but let’s again ask ourselves why conservatives won’t answer these questions:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?

We know that understaffing the IRS creates backlogs . . . and lowers service quality . . . thus creating the environment that is now being critized by the very same conservatives that cut the IRS budgets! I’m not making this up!!!!

But even more important is the aversion of the conservatives in DC to address the primary issue is why 501C4s are being used to ‘hide’ donor identities that is destroying our democracy?


therightstuff: Posted: June 30, 2014 7:22 p.m.

BB: """Yet another example, as if one was even needed, that this arrogant Caesar-wannabe couldn't care less what the Constitution says."""

In addition to wanting to overturn today's Supreme Court ruling, we're now hearing that Obama plans to implement his own plan for immigration reform and bypass Congress.

The reason why Obama does this is because he KNOWS there's not a single Democrat out there with the balls to stand up to him. He KNOWS that the guy he chose to uphold our laws is nothing more than a political hack who does Obama's bidding. And he also KNOWS the media will do nothing. For these sell-outs, they know their leader is seriously flawed but it's all about protecting and advancing the "liberal cause".

Meanwhile, the Democratic zealots who regularly post here can only blame Republicans. It's surreal to watch it unfold.


therightstuff: Posted: June 30, 2014 7:28 p.m.

Indy: """Hard to understand and flush out the ‘facts’ about the IRS but let’s again ask ourselves why conservatives won’t answer these questions"""

Wow...THAT'S your answer to MY question? Really? With your obsession over Fox News, I'm giving you the opportunity to tell us all what they're saying that is not true.

Wanna try again? What is Fox News reporting about the IRS that is factually inaccurate?


therightstuff: Posted: June 30, 2014 7:29 p.m.

We also noticed that none of the Obama loyalists tried to answer my other question. Wanna give this one a try as well?

Remember when Obama said he was "outraged" about all this? He said he would have no patience with it, we must find out what happened, people would be held accountable and it would get fixed. Over a year later we still don't know what happened, no one has been held accountable, and nothing has been fixed. Instead all we've seen is highly disturbing behavior and explanations.

Today, Obama is no longer outraged but considers this a phony scandal without a smidgen of corruption.

What changed?


BrianBaker: Posted: June 30, 2014 8:02 p.m.

"Indy: Notice the poster can’t and won’t answer these questions:"

Indy, I don't CARE about your stupid "questions". They're off-topic and have nothing to do with the LTE, which I wrote, not you.

So I set the agenda here, not you, Captain Irrelevant.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 30, 2014 8:04 p.m.

TRS, I couldn't agree more.

The Dem/socialists and Obama suck-ups that inhabit this forum have nothing of value to add, so they have to make stuff up, or just resort to their standard talking points, as exemplified by Captain Irrelevant.


ricketzz: Posted: July 1, 2014 6:56 a.m.

Director Koskinen has the demeanor of someone who knows more than he's telling and he knows Darrel Issa knows what he knows and he ain't telling either. Go after Lerner, etc., for losing email. It's all they have.

"After the unseemly theatrics Wednesday, Issa conceded that a nearly year-long investigation of Internal Revenue Service targeting of conservative groups may be approaching what he called a "dead end."

"It may well be that we have gotten to the bottom of it," Issa told reporters after former IRS manager Lois Lerner again refused to testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee by invoking her Fifth Amendment rights." http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/05/politics/irs-political-war/index.html


philellis: Posted: July 1, 2014 7:02 a.m.

"Indy: Notice the poster can’t and won’t answer these questions:"

I wonder how WIndy can make idiotic statements like that with a straight face.


projalice11: Posted: July 1, 2014 8:17 a.m.

"After the unseemly theatrics Wednesday, Issa conceded that a nearly year-long investigation of Internal Revenue Service targeting of conservative groups may be approaching what he called a "dead end."

"It may well be that we have gotten to the bottom of it," Issa told reporters ..

BINGO, BINGO, BINGO


tech: Posted: July 1, 2014 8:58 a.m.

It's beyond lost emails.

IRS Admits Wrongdoing, to Pay $50,000 in Leaking of Marriage Group’s Tax Return

Two years after activists for same-sex marriage obtained the confidential tax return and donor list of a national group opposed to redefining marriage, the Internal Revenue Service has admitted wrongdoing and agreed to settle the resulting lawsuit.

The Daily Signal has learned that, under a consent judgment today, the IRS agreed to pay $50,000 in damages to the National Organization for Marriage as a result of the unlawful release of the confidential information to a gay rights group, the Human Rights Campaign, that is NOM’s chief political rival.

“Congress made the disclosure of confidential tax return information a serious matter for a reason,” NOM Chairman John D. Eastman told The Daily Signal. “We’re delighted that the IRS has now been held accountable for the illegal disclosure of our list of major donors from our tax return.”

The Daily Signal is seeking comment on the settlement from the IRS and Justice Department.

Update: At 5:28 p.m, IRS spokesman Bruce I. Friedland emailed: “Privacy law, specifically Section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code, prohibits us from commenting.”

In his order entered this morning, District Court Judge James C. Cacheris granted the settlement of NOM’s suit against the IRS, which was represented by the Department of Justice.

http://dailysignal.com/2014/06/24/irs-admits-wrongdoing-pay-50000-leaking-marriage-groups-tax-return/


BrianBaker: Posted: July 1, 2014 10:05 a.m.

Yep, tech, it IS beyond "lost" emails. I only used that current example of the arrogance of this administration to carry the issue out to the larger problem.

Which is why I made reference to a laundry list of OTHER Obama scandals, and the Turley articles.

But it's been a great opportunity to see how Dem/socialists address these things. They (wrongly) see ONE of the issues supposedly "addressed", and their response is along the lines of, "Nothing to see here, folks. Move along...".

That would be like a firefighter in the middle of a blazing forest fire putting out a burning bush, and then heading off for Miller Time. It's preposterous.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 1, 2014 10:19 a.m.

One other thing. Even though the Kool-Aid gulpers here may think the IRS thing's "over", all Issa's said, in essence, is that the Obamamites' destruction of the evidence may have been pretty thorough. He may have been stymied.

But it ain't over til it's over, as Yogi Berra said.

Over 75% of the public thinks the IRS is, basically, lying. INCLUDING over 60% of Democrats. And they want answers, and heads to roll. That's the polling data.

So they're out of their skulls if they think this is just gonna simply go away. ESPECIALLY in an election year.


tech: Posted: July 1, 2014 10:27 a.m.

U.S. District Court Judge Emmet G. Sullivan has ordered a hearing set for 7/10/14. No doubt the plaintiff (Judicial Watch) and defendant (IRS) won't be discussing "BINGO" before the court.


therightstuff: Posted: July 1, 2014 1:41 p.m.

"""I wonder how WIndy can make idiotic statements like that with a straight face."""

Practice, practice, practice.


therightstuff: Posted: July 1, 2014 1:44 p.m.

If I am ever audited by the IRS, I will tell them that I had perfect records of everything they are requesting but they were lost in a computer crash. Oh we'll.


Indy: Posted: July 1, 2014 2:13 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """Hard to understand and flush out the ‘facts’ about the IRS but let’s again ask ourselves why conservatives won’t answer these questions"""

Wow...THAT'S your answer to MY question? Really? With your obsession over Fox News, I'm giving you the opportunity to tell us all what they're saying that is not true.

Indy: It’s understandable that this poster can’t grasp why the problems with the IRS exists but they all boil down to this question:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties?

It’s great for Fox news to create the innuendo and speculation without addressing their complicity in the problem . . . but ignoring reality is why conservatives that bury themselves in their contrived ideology can’t see the reality.

As I stated before: We know that understaffing the IRS creates backlogs . . . and lowers service quality . . . thus creating the environment that is now being criticized by the very same conservatives that cut the IRS budgets!

But even more important is the premise for the IRS outburst this time around which centers on this question:

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?

But even more important is the aversion of the conservatives in DC to address the primary issue is why 501C4s are being used to ‘hide’ donor identities that is destroying our democracy?

You can see why the poster refuses to address these questions . . . since they diminish their attack on the IRS completely.


Indy: Posted: July 1, 2014 2:17 p.m.

BrianBaker wrote: "Indy: Notice the poster can’t and won’t answer these questions:"

Indy, I don't CARE about your stupid "questions". They're off-topic and have nothing to do with the LTE, which I wrote, not you.

Indy: Stupid?

Having rich donors hide behind phony 501C4s?

Or underfunding the IRS to create the problems being ‘promoted’ by conservative ideologist and ‘news anchors’ as Fox?

Is the security of our democracy even understood by this poster regarding illegal campaign contributions?

You can see that once you get ‘beyond’ the talking points and slogans . . . you get the responses like we see here from this poster.

And this guy wants you, the reader, to follow him and his ideas?


Indy: Posted: July 1, 2014 2:21 p.m.

Ricketzz wrote: "After the unseemly theatrics Wednesday, Issa conceded that a nearly year-long investigation of Internal Revenue Service targeting of conservative groups may be approaching what he called a "dead end."

"It may well be that we have gotten to the bottom of it," Issa told reporters after former IRS manager Lois Lerner again refused to testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee by invoking her Fifth Amendment rights." http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/05/politics/irs-political-war/index.html

Indy: This ‘dog and pony’ show by Issa hides again the outrageious defunding of the IRS by conservatives who then hold hearings to criticize the messes they created.

But why hasn’t Issa come up with any new regulations on 501C4s?

What’s he waiting for?

Oh, that type of ‘real solution’ doesn’t contribute to the conservative ideology base?

I get it now . . .


therightstuff: Posted: July 1, 2014 2:35 p.m.

Indy: """It’s great for Fox news to create the innuendo and speculation without addressing their complicity in the problem . . . """

Stop being such a coward and answer my question. Every day you spew your Fox News obsession. For the fourth time...what is Fox News reporting about the IRS that is factually incorrect?


BrianBaker: Posted: July 1, 2014 3:51 p.m.

"'Indy, I don't CARE about your stupid "questions". They're off-topic and have nothing to do with the LTE, which I wrote, not you.'"

"Indy: Stupid?"


Yes. Stupid and off-topic, Captain Irrelevant.

Apparently unknown to YOU, there's nothing "illegal" about the campaign donations. The Supreme Court said so, in the Citizens United case.

Of course, since you're WAY too knowledgeable about the law and the Constitution, I have no doubt you know nothing about that case, in the same way you're profoundly ignorant about everything else on the topic, such as the Federalist Papers. Which interestingly enough, one of the SCOTUS Justices referenced in his opinion in one of yesterday's decisions.

Go trot your ignorance and irrelevancies somewhere on down the road. You bore me to tears.
.
. --edited.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 1, 2014 3:52 p.m.

TRS: "Stop being such a coward and answer my question. Every day you spew your Fox News obsession."


LOL

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: he's all "Foxed up" in the head.


Indy: Posted: July 1, 2014 4:04 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """It’s great for Fox news to create the innuendo and speculation without addressing their complicity in the problem . . . """

Stop being such a coward and answer my question. Every day you spew your Fox News obsession. For the fourth time...what is Fox News reporting about the IRS that is factually incorrect?

Indy: Notice again the poster can’t comprehend the problem with IRS funding . . . that created the problems.

And now he wants to ‘demand’ that I address something I’ve already wrote here several times but again:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties?

It’s great for Fox news to create the innuendo and speculation without addressing their complicity in the problem . . . but ignoring reality is why conservatives that bury themselves in their contrived ideology can’t see the reality.

As I stated before: We know that understaffing the IRS creates backlogs . . . and lowers service quality . . . thus creating the environment that is now being criticized by the very same conservatives that cut the IRS budgets!

But even more important is the premise for the IRS outburst this time around which centers on this question:

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?

Sad that conservatives simply ignore reality . . . just want to come here and just recite their Fox talking points and are simply unable to address the primary causes of the problems.


tech: Posted: July 1, 2014 4:16 p.m.

Judge Sets Hearing on Group's Push to Investigate Lost IRS Emails

A federal judge scheduled a hearing for next week on a grass-roots conservative group's request to investigate missing emails at the Internal Revenue Service, as part of the group's lawsuit against the agency.

U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton ordered the hearing on Tuesday, after conservative group True the Vote filed a motion seeking to speed up discovery and "preserve and prevent further destruction" of documents and electronic data. Among other things, the group wants a forensic expert to figure out how the emails were lost and examine whether any of the missing data can be recovered.

The hearing is set for July 11 in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C.

IRS officials didn't immediately respond to a request for comment. Agency lawyers have argued in court papers that the litigation isn't far along enough to start discovery.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/judge-sets-hearing-on-groups-push-to-investigate-lost-irs-emails-1404244857


tech: Posted: July 1, 2014 4:21 p.m.

Indy: "Notice again the poster can’t comprehend the problem with IRS funding . . . that created the problems."

What proof do you offer of this assertion? Be specific.


17trillion: Posted: July 1, 2014 4:30 p.m.

"What proof do you offer of this assertion? Be specific."

Really Tech? You expect an answer, let alone a coherent one? To people like Indy it doesn't matter that the IRS spent 1.8 billion on just IT last year. It's not enough. How much is enough? The amount that is enough is what liberals in congress say it is, no more, no less. It could be 3 billion, 8 billion, 438 billion, it doesn't matter, it just needs to be more. There is no answer to that question. He thinks it should be more and when it inevitably becomes "more", it still wont be enough. Thus the a$$backward logic of the Black Knight.

And finally, this Koskenin idiot says to "fix" the email problem would cost between 10 and 30 million dollars. Yet another example of the brilliance of these blood suckers. I say this after finding out the IRS awarded 27 million dollars in bonuses including 1 million in bonuses to tax delinquents employed by the IRS. So you see, it will never, EVER, be enough.


therightstuff: Posted: July 1, 2014 6:49 p.m.

Indy: """Sad that conservatives simply ignore reality . . . just want to come here and just recite their Fox talking points and are simply unable to address the primary causes of the problems."""

So now it is obvious to everyone that Indy cannot give any specific examples where Fox is being factually inaccurate about the IRS. I asked him FOUR TIMES and he cannot give a single example.

You've got a problem, bub. Every time you whine about Fox News, I'm going to ask you to give us an example where Fox News is reporting something that is factually inaccurate.

You're either going to have to give us evidence of your accusation or you're going to have to find a new talking point about Fox News as your attempt to deflect attention away from the corruption of the Obama administration.

Each time you cannot offer evidence, it will only prove (once again) that you are a liar and a coward. The perfect Obama disciple.


devildawg: Posted: July 2, 2014 10:17 p.m.

Everyone is missing the point here. This whole story has absolutely nothing to do with the IRS. It does, however, have everything to do with a corrupt scumbag attorney general and a corrupt traitor to this nation, pretending to be the president in our Whitehouse - period. --edited.


ricketzz: Posted: July 2, 2014 6:15 a.m.

devildawg states the problem well. Half of Americans are living in a bubble of rage, whipped into a frenzy by bleached blondes and rah-rah TV graphics; 3 hours long infomercials for hate on the radio; completely shredded commons. If you don't believe in something you will fall for anything.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 2, 2014 7:57 a.m.

Exactly right, devildawg. That is EXACTLY the point of my column.


Indy: Posted: July 2, 2014 1:16 p.m.

Tech wrote: Indy: "Notice again the poster can’t comprehend the problem with IRS funding . . . that created the problems."

What proof do you offer of this assertion? Be specific.

Indy: I’m not at all surprised that many conservatives here that have no formal training in business, economics or management, find it difficult to grasp that simply cutting the budget of any program independent of the ‘demands’ for services for same, will see a falloff in service performance.

This of course is made worse in the world of partisan politics that is focused on ‘innuendo and speculation’ that fits the conservative ideology model.

I can only suggest perhaps visiting the COC bookstore and purchasing some books in this subject area and understanding how budgets really work and what consequences occur when it’s done poorly.


tech: Posted: July 2, 2014 1:51 p.m.

I'm not surprised that you have no data to support your assertion, Indy. An ad hominem isn't a substitute for fact. The IRS budgets don't explain simultaneous failure of 7 hard drives and email servers/backups that were a sunk cost in a capex budget.

That's why, with few exceptions, you have no respect for the quality of your postings in these forums. Here's your MO:

• Vague, baseless assertions
• Pedantic lecturing and appeals to authority
• Attack, attack, attack

Carry on, Black Knight. 17t had your "response" pegged.


therightstuff: Posted: July 2, 2014 1:55 p.m.

Tech, I see that Indy is dodging your request for evidence as well, even as he lectures everyone not to depend on innuendo. This guy is certifiable.

Meanwhile back on earth, interesting news coming out of the HHS about their 8 million figure for Obamacare sign ups.I knew better than to take Obama's word for it. Indy kept promising we would soon see those number verified. He was right...and boy are they a mess! Obama and his media wh0res are going to have their hands full spinning this one.


Indy: Posted: July 2, 2014 4:21 p.m.

17trillion wrote: “What proof do you offer of this assertion? Be specific."

Really Tech? You expect an answer, let alone a coherent one? To people like Indy it doesn't matter that the IRS spent 1.8 billion on just IT last year. It's not enough. How much is enough? The amount that is enough is what liberals in congress say it is, no more, no less. It could be 3 billion, 8 billion, 438 billion, it doesn't matter, it just needs to be more. There is no answer to that question. He thinks it should be more and when it inevitably becomes "more", it still wont be enough. Thus the a$$backward logic of the Black Knight.

Indy: ‘How much is enough?’

If you’d had any formal business training, you’d be able to address that question.

Where did you get this information? Link?

IT in most companies has a tremendous breath as to where their dollars are spent from training to support to servers to actual desk computers.

Did the article you noted reference any of that? Did they need $3 billion but had it reduced to $1.8 billion?

You need to know stuff like this to make an intelligent and informed decision.

If you presented that paragraph to the corporate folks I’ve worked with, you’d be laughed right out of the room and probably let go . . .


Indy: Posted: July 2, 2014 4:28 p.m.

17trillion wrote: And finally, this Koskenin idiot says to "fix" the email problem would cost between 10 and 30 million dollars. Yet another example of the brilliance of these blood suckers. I say this after finding out the IRS awarded 27 million dollars in bonuses including 1 million in bonuses to tax delinquents employed by the IRS. So you see, it will never, EVER, be enough.

Indy: Here’s a good example as to the failings of partisan politics:

House Seeks To Punish IRS With Budget Cuts
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/09/irs-budget-cuts_n_3568763.html
WASHINGTON — The GOP-controlled House unveiled slashing cuts to the budget of the Internal Revenue Service on Tuesday, punishing the beleaguered agency after it targeted tea party groups and other nonprofits seeking tax-exempt status.
The agency's 2014 budget would be cut by $3 billion, or 24 percent below levels approved in March. Also, 10 percent of its budget for tax enforcement would be fenced off until the IRS implements recommendations by an agency watchdog designed to prevent further abuses.
The IRS cuts come after a wave of bad publicity for the agency including questionable spending on conferences like a lavish $4.1 million event in 2010 that included a "Star Trek" video parody and a $17,000 payment to a motivational speaker who was a painter.
President Barack Obama had requested a $1 billion increase for the IRS.
"Right now I can't think of a federal agency in a worse position to ask for more money," said Rep. Kevin Brady, R-Texas.

Indy: When an organization is routinely underfunded, it creates service issues.

And while this article isn’t detailed enough to make any real decisions, the folks that should be ‘managing’ our government, our congress, would have such knowledge.

They would know how much of the funding request is for staffing or in this case IT including what is being requested.

As long as we have made managing our government subject to the same type of meaningless ‘innuendo and speculation’, we’ll not have a good functioning IRS . . . similar to an accounts receivable department in any large corporation.


Indy: Posted: July 2, 2014 4:50 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """Sad that conservatives simply ignore reality . . . just want to come here and just recite their Fox talking points and are simply unable to address the primary causes of the problems."""

So now it is obvious to everyone that Indy cannot give any specific examples where Fox is being factually inaccurate about the IRS. I asked him FOUR TIMES and he cannot give a single example.

Indy: Notice how the poster reinforces his own inability to understand the underfunding issues and the associated consequences.

This is the problem with being ‘bathed’ in ideology based rhetoric that is devoid of any rational thinking.

Therightstuff wrote: You've got a problem, bub. Every time you whine about Fox News, I'm going to ask you to give us an example where Fox News is reporting something that is factually inaccurate.

Indy: Sadly, media outlets like Fox are only there to promote ideology including underfunding the IRS. So you can’t take anything they say seriously if they don’t acknowledge the context of the IRS issues. Ignoring them solves nothing.

Therightstuff wrote: You're either going to have to give us evidence of your accusation or you're going to have to find a new talking point about Fox News as your attempt to deflect attention away from the corruption of the Obama administration.

Indy: We can already see the ‘problems’ . . . it’s understanding how they occurred.

Therightstuff wrote: Each time you cannot offer evidence, it will only prove (once again) that you are a liar and a coward. The perfect Obama disciple.

Indy: A good example of might be if a service provider (IRS) started cutting staffing independent of the ‘demands’ placed on the business (expanding 501C4s enforcement to insure large donor money isn’t corrupting our democracy threatening our security).

After cutting the service level to customers (taxpayers), the ‘blame game’ no doubt starts.

The employees being the ‘first seen’ (IRA staff) would be first blamed. And the manager, if asked by the owner (congress) to ‘cut costs’ would blame the staff . . . even though he (congress) purposely cut the funding.

So while it’s interesting to discuss the consequences of the service reduction (targeting high prospect cheaters in the 501C4s), the ‘driver’ of the problem is left unaddressed.

Until you start to see the bigger picture here, you’ll make the same types of mistakes and misjudgments as you saw in this article: House Seeks To Punish IRS With Budget Cuts.


Indy: Posted: July 2, 2014 5:04 p.m.

Tech wrote: I'm not surprised that you have no data to support your assertion, Indy. An ad hominem isn't a substitute for fact. The IRS budgets don't explain simultaneous failure of 7 hard drives and email servers/backups that were a sunk cost in a capex budget.

Indy: Here we go again with a ‘cop out’ . . . that addresses none of the issues I noted nor even why the IRS is underfunded.

As far as computers that fail, that’s why companies are required to update and maintain them.

If the IRS needed more server space for backups but was denied that with budget cuts, we’ll have to ask why republicans cuts the IRS budget without thinking.

Tech wrote: That's why, with few exceptions, you have no respect for the quality of your postings in these forums. Here's your MO:

• Vague, baseless assertions
• Pedantic lecturing and appeals to authority
• Attack, attack, attack

Carry on, Black Knight. 17t had your "response" pegged.

Indy: I’m not surprised that the poster chose the ‘low road’ here but it’s pretty typical of him.

When you can't support your positions, this is what’s left . . .

And you can see that it still doesn’t address the two most important questions:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?

Sadly, the poster can’t answer those questions . . .


Indy: Posted: July 2, 2014 5:29 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Tech, I see that Indy is dodging your request for evidence as well, even as he lectures everyone not to depend on innuendo. This guy is certifiable.

Indy: I still wonder why this poster can’t answer these questions:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?

Therightstuff wrote: Meanwhile back on earth, interesting news coming out of the HHS about their 8 million figure for Obamacare sign ups.I knew better than to take Obama's word for it. Indy kept promising we would soon see those number verified. He was right...and boy are they a mess! Obama and his media wh0res are going to have their hands full spinning this one.

Indy: Notice, the ‘innuendo and speculation’ here isn’t supported by any link.

We also know that the signups are consistent with industry standards as reported by the leaders of the private health insurers like Blue Shield.

In any event, as time goes forth, the final numbers will be rendered but let’s look at the opportunity to have so many millions of Americans now with health insurance they had not before.

And let’s not forget the poor Americans who now have insurance through the Medicaid expansion.

Who could any Christian be against helping the poor?

IAE, I found his site for somebody that tracks the enrollments both paid and unpaid: http://acasignups.net/

It notes: Est. Exch. QHPs as of June 30, 2014: 7.74M (Paid) / 8.60M (Total)

That’s a 90% paid rate for the signs up ‘so far’ . . . wow!


tech: Posted: July 2, 2014 5:45 p.m.

"If the IRS needed more server space for backups…" - Indy

If.


CaptGene: Posted: July 2, 2014 6:03 p.m.

Indy Nile: "IT in most companies has a tremendous breath..."

It's because of all the Mountain Dew and Doritos.

What a dope.


therightstuff: Posted: July 2, 2014 6:26 p.m.

Indy: """We can already see the ‘problems’ . . . it’s understanding how they occurred."""

You can speculate with innuendo or we can rely on the facts we know.

FACT: The IRS ***admitted*** targeting groups opposed to the Obama administration.

FACT: When questioned about this, Lois Lerner pleaded the Fifth - twice.

FACT: The IRS promised to provide all of the emails from Lois Lerner's office during the time these groups were being targeted.

FACT: The IRS reported that those same emails were all lost in a 'computer crash' and all the evidence was destroyed.

A normal person would question the suspicious nature of these events. Obama wh0res would blame Republicans.


therightstuff: Posted: July 2, 2014 6:34 p.m.

Indy: """Notice, the ‘innuendo and speculation’ here isn’t supported by any link."""

The problems are being reported by your president's own numbers. Here's the link per your request: http://nypost.com/2014/07/02/85-percent-of-obamacare-inconsistencies-cant-be-fixed/

You only had to ask me once. I'll ask you for the FIFTH TIME, please tell us what Fox News is saying about the IRS that is factually inaccurate.


therightstuff: Posted: July 2, 2014 6:43 p.m.

Indy: """IAE, I found his site for somebody that tracks the enrollments both paid and unpaid: http://acasignups.net/It notes: Est. Exch. QHPs as of June 30, 2014: 7.74M (Paid) / 8.60M (Total) That’s a 90% paid rate for the signs up ‘so far’ . . . wow!"""

Indy, I looked at your site. Under FAQ, here's the first question and answer:

Q. Who the heck are you?

A. I'm a website developer in Michigan.

OMG...THIS is your expert on ACA sign-ups? You whine incessantly about FOX News but can't prove they're wrong, you self-righteously lecture everyone else about reliable sources, and then you post your "proof" of ACA sign-ups from a guy who describes himself as "a website developer in Michigan". This same guy also has a "donate" button so you can send him money to support his website.

Geez....Indy....stop embarrassing yourself.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 2, 2014 6:44 p.m.

Again with the idiotic "link" meme.

I actually DID provide links in my column comments here. Watch Mr. Burns's.... ooops! ... I mean Koskinen's latest testimony on YouTube.

Read his Business Week interview.

See how the two don't even come CLOSE to jibing.

Read the two Turley articles I linked.

Then pull head out of.............

............ sand.


therightstuff: Posted: July 2, 2014 7:07 p.m.

Thanks Brian but I cannot stand to look at Koskinen's face. The guy is so morally bankrupt, inept, and arrogant.

A perfect fit for the Obama administration.


devildawg: Posted: July 2, 2014 7:15 p.m.

I guess I have to repeat this again and direct it especially at certain people, who always try to change the talking points because they cannot argue with facts on the subject at hand. So here it is again:

"Most people" are "still" missing the point here. This whole story has absolutely nothing to do with the IRS. It does, however, have everything to do with a corrupt scumbag attorney general and a corrupt traitor to this nation, pretending to be the president in our Whitehouse - period. (For those of you that think this is trolling - pull your head out of your ass - this is FACT)

Brian Baker - OOH RAH to you and AMEN to your LTE! I only wish the news-media of today was doing their damn job as they did with Nixon. Until the MSM calls out Obama and Holder for all of their transgressions and dishonesty and corruptness against this great nation and it's citizens - all of the ignorant followers will continue to be on the ignorant bandwagon.


Indy: Posted: July 2, 2014 7:52 p.m.

Tech wrote: "If the IRS needed more server space for backups…" - Indy

If.

Indy: Obviously they did . . . yet republicans cut their budget anyway . . .


Indy: Posted: July 2, 2014 7:55 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """We can already see the ‘problems’ . . . it’s understanding how they occurred."""

You can speculate with innuendo or we can rely on the facts we know.

Indy: Here again, like your failing to understand economic indicators in context, you like to list problems that were the result of republicans cutting the IRS budget.

Why not take responsibility for that?

But again, answers the questions and be specific:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?

Your credibility goes down each time you ignore these issues . . .


Indy: Posted: July 2, 2014 7:57 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: OMG...THIS is your expert on ACA sign-ups? You whine incessantly about FOX News but can't prove they're wrong, you self-righteously lecture everyone else about reliable sources, and then you post your "proof" of ACA sign-ups from a guy who describes himself as "a website developer in Michigan". This same guy also has a "donate" button so you can send him money to support his website.

Indy: Yes, the guy keeps tracks of the signups and payers.

What link do you have?


Indy: Posted: July 2, 2014 8:02 p.m.

BrianBaker wrote: Again with the idiotic "link" meme.

Indy: Notice this poster ignores these questions as well . . . why not deal with them?

What’s the House supposed to do, ignore the problem as well?

Again:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?


BrianBaker: Posted: July 3, 2014 10:34 p.m.

TRS: Thanks, pard. Agreed.

Devildawg: Thanks to you, too. I assume by your screen name that you're a (former) Marine. I put "former" in parentheses because I know you guys never consider yourselves "ex-Marines".

Can't "Ooh-rah" back, because I was Army, and we DO consider ourselves "ex" once we're out.

But you get my drift, pard. Thanks to you, too.


tech: Posted: July 3, 2014 10:36 p.m.

Indy and his idiotic quoting methodology wrote: "If the IRS needed more server space for backups…" - Indy

Tech: If.

Indy: Obviously they did . . . yet republicans cut their budget anyway . . .

Obviously not. A proposed budget cut in 2013 had zero effect on data loss in 2011. Nice clown shoes you have there, Indy.

The IRS will be explaining the issue to 2 separate Federal judges the 10th & 11th.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 3, 2014 10:38 p.m.

NOW....... On to Captain Irrelevant, AKA "Indy".

Bubba, maybe you can't read. Maybe your focus-group-tested talking points don't encompass reality. Maybe your addiction to HuffPo and MoveOn and PMSNBC don't allow you to actually deal with relevancy (as if there's actually an "if" involved in that speculation).

Your idiotic "questions" are completely off-topic, irrelevant, and STUPID.




I don't know how to make it any clearer than that.


ricketzz: Posted: July 3, 2014 7:19 a.m.

The right wing extremists today sound exactly like the left wing extremists of 10 years ago. The president is a traitor. The attorney general looks the other way.

Bush was a mixed bag, as is Obama. They are no better or no worse than they are portrayed in the for-profit news media, which keeps you at each others' throats, for ratings. They are happy to sit by and watch us tear the country apart, for ratings. The media is making our small differences look insurmountable; they are not.

The biggest fear of The Establishment is that Libertarians on the right and Libertarians on the left embrace their common ground and depose everybody. That is the only bloodless way out. The media want us to fight; history wants us to save this sucker.


17trillion: Posted: July 3, 2014 8:05 a.m.

"If you’d had any formal business training, you’d be able to address that question."

I'll put up a 100 thousand dollars against your thousand and we'll have someone independent compare our respective business success or lack of. Deal?

"Where did you get this information? Link?"

I watched the hearings you gasbag! The Director made that statement, which is true I assume. However a Director of the IRS not knowing what his own IT budget is/was wouldn't shock me.


projalice11: Posted: July 3, 2014 9:21 a.m.

"U.S. Economy Added 288,000 Jobs in June; Jobless Rate Falls to 6.1%"


17trillion: Posted: July 3, 2014 9:36 a.m.

"My car is blue"


tech: Posted: July 3, 2014 10:15 a.m.

"As far as computers that fail, that’s why companies are required to update and maintain them." - Indy

Seven simultaneous failures of hard drives in systems used by specific IRS employees under formal Congressional investigation 10 days after a committee inquiry? Please. No one is stupid or gullible enough to believe that, right? Right?


BrianBaker: Posted: July 3, 2014 10:20 a.m.

Yeah, kinda reminds me of the opening of the old "Mission Impossible" TV series, where the tape would self-destruct 10 seconds after Mr. Phelps (Peter Graves) would listen to it.

All so that "Should you be caught, the Secretary will disavow any of your actions".

How prophetic was THAT?


therightstuff: Posted: July 3, 2014 10:30 a.m.

It's beyond stupidity or gullibility for the true believers here. It's about the dogma of the far left ideology. This trumps facts, truth, or reality. Nothing is more important than the liberal cause so they will deflect the blame, dismiss the facts, and destroy the messenger. It's the liberal way.


17trillion: Posted: July 3, 2014 10:39 a.m.

I don't think it's stupidity, I don't think they care. It's all about the ends justifying the means and to liberals, anything is fair game when it comes to conservatives. But when it's done to them, the howl like a 2 month old baby that hasn't been fed.


tech: Posted: July 3, 2014 10:42 a.m.

Brian, I'm basking in the warm glow of barking at the Moon mad rage from the Left as their Regulatory Commissars are called to account.

Next week will no doubt stoke their fury to new heights.

11/4/14®


Indy: Posted: July 3, 2014 1:21 p.m.

User Removed Comment.


Indy: Posted: July 3, 2014 1:24 p.m.

Tech wrote: Indy and his idiotic quoting methodology wrote: "If the IRS needed more server space for backups…" - Indy

Tech: If.

Indy: Obviously they did . . . yet republicans cut their budget anyway . . .

Obviously not. A proposed budget cut in 2013 had zero effect on data loss in 2011. Nice clown shoes you have there, Indy.

Indy: Let’s see here . . .

GOP War On The IRS Costs U.S. Billions
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/gop-war-on-irs-costs-us-billions
January 12, 2012 7:00 pm

For any American concerned about the federal budget deficit, job one must be to collect all of the tax revenue owed to the United States Treasury. That's why supposed Republican deficit hawks simply aren't serious about the national debt. After all, a new report confirmed that steep GOP budget cuts at the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) are hurting customer service, delaying refunds and costing Uncle Sam billions of dollars annually. Thanks to the never-ending Republican war on the IRS dating back to the late 1990's, tax evasion and cheating are now depriving the U.S. of $400 billion each year.

In April, Congressional Republicans extracted $600 million in cuts from the IRS in return for a spending deal with President Obama, reductions which at the time were forecast to cost the Treasury $4 billion in lost revenue. Now, the annual report to Congress from the National Taxpayer Advocate shows, "IRS is not adequately funded to serve taxpayers or collect revenue." As the AP explained:

The Internal Revenue Service can't keep up with surging tax cheating and isn't sufficiently collecting revenue or helping confused taxpayers because Congress isn't giving it enough money to do its job, a government watchdog said Wednesday...

Congress cut the IRS budget to $11.8 billion this year. That is $300 million less than last year and $1.5 billion below the request by President Barack Obama, who argued that boosting the agency's spending would fatten tax collections and provide better service to taxpayers.

Indy: So as the GOP cuts back the budget for the IRS to meet the ‘tea party’ base beliefs, we now see that those cuts have real consequences . . . including the enforcement of 501C4s. Those donors that try to hide their donations through 501C4 are ‘tax cheats’.

In any event, why don’t you answer this question:

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?

Tech wrote: The IRS will be explaining the issue to 2 separate Federal judges the 10th & 11th.

Indy: I this this is great . . . let’s hope they correlate the IRS cuts backs by the GOP to ‘frame’ the current situation.


Indy: Posted: July 3, 2014 1:27 p.m.

March 2, 2011 in Nation/World
GOP studies IRS for budget cuts
White House wants to boost tax enforcement
Stephen Ohlemacher Associated Press

WASHINGTON – Every dollar the Internal Revenue Service spends for audits, liens and seizing property from tax cheats brings in more than $10, a rate of return so good the Obama administration wants to boost the agency’s budget.

House Republicans, seeing the heavy hand of a too-big government, beg to differ. They’ve already voted to cut the IRS budget by $600 million this year and want bigger cuts in 2012.

The IRS has dramatically increased its pursuit of tax cheats in the past decade: Audits are up, property liens are up and asset seizures are way up. President Barack Obama and Democrats in Congress see stepped up enforcement as a good way to narrow the nation’s staggering budget deficit without raising tax rates or cutting popular spending programs.

“It makes little sense to cut the agency that collects revenue,” said Rep. Jose Serrano of New York, the top Democrat on the House subcommittee that oversees the IRS budget.

IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman told the committee Tuesday that the $600 million cut in this year’s budget would result in the IRS collecting $4 billion less through tax enforcement programs.

Obama has already increased the IRS budget by 10 percent since he took office, to nearly $12.5 billion. The president’s budget proposal for 2012 would increase IRS spending by an additional 9 percent – adding 5,100 employees.

Republicans, however, view the IRS as an ideal target in their promise to reduce government spending, in part because the agency will play a big role in implementing Obama’s new health care law. If the law survives court challenges, the IRS will administer tax credits for businesses that provide health insurance to employees, as well as credits to help individuals pay for coverage. The agency also is tasked with enforcing the mandate that most Americans buy health insurance, starting in 2014.

Indy: Sadly, the GOP cuts the IRS budget hiding it behind their efforts to reduce government spending but can’t grasp the consequences as the media has outlined.

I for the life of me can’t really understand why the GOP supports ‘tax cheats’ through their actions . . . then cry about the lack of effective enforcement of the 501C4s that threaten our democracy.


Indy: Posted: July 3, 2014 1:30 p.m.

BrianBaker wrote: Your idiotic "questions" are completely off-topic, irrelevant, and STUPID. I don't know how to make it any clearer than that.

Indy: Good that the guest readers know how you feel about these questions:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?

I understand why you don’t answer them but I want the guest readers to get it and they will . . . sooner or later . . .


Indy: Posted: July 3, 2014 1:38 p.m.

17trillion wrote: "If you’d had any formal business training, you’d be able to address that question."

I'll put up a 100 thousand dollars against your thousand and we'll have someone independent compare our respective business success or lack of. Deal?

Indy: What you still can’t grasp is that lots of people ignorant of basic economics and management still make a lot of money . . .

But that doesn’t help you when it comes to the larger big picture issues facing the nation.

You can stroke your own ego . . . that’s a free service to yourself but again, I recommend going to the local book store and get some real basic textbooks on business, econoimics and management in order to comment rationally on the nation’s big issues in that area.

I can give you a recommended book list if you like.

17trillion wrote: "Where did you get this information? Link?"

I watched the hearings you gasbag! The Director made that statement, which is true I assume. However a Director of the IRS not knowing what his own IT budget is/was wouldn't shock me.

Indy: Your not going to get a really good picture of managing anything in a politically motivated hearing . . . this should be done in the yearly budgeting.

Sadly, as the news articles I did post here, cuts to the IRS are made on ideology grounds not sound business principles.

But this is where I can help you and the other conservatives that need to expand their information gathering beyond Fox . . . and simply understand the consequences of not properly funding the IRS.


Indy: Posted: July 3, 2014 1:42 p.m.

Tech wrote: "As far as computers that fail, that’s why companies are required to update and maintain them." - Indy

Seven simultaneous failures of hard drives in systems used by specific IRS employees under formal Congressional investigation 10 days after a committee inquiry? Please. No one is stupid or gullible enough to believe that, right? Right?

Indy: Let’s see here . . .

Issa 'Sick and Tired' of IRS 'Game-Playing' With Emails, Hard Drives
Tuesday, 24 Jun 2014 11:23 AM
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/issa-game-playing-irs/2014/06/24/id/578932/

Lawmakers argued late into the night Monday and again Tuesday morning over a computer drive that crashed in 2011, taking the controversy surrounding the Internal Revenue Service to a new level of acrimony

Indy: Question: when does ‘a’ become plural?


BrianBaker: Posted: July 3, 2014 1:48 p.m.

Captain Irrelevant strikes again, with more off-topic meaningless gibberish.


There's your "response", Captain.


Indy: Posted: July 3, 2014 1:51 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: It's beyond stupidity or gullibility for the true believers here. It's about the dogma of the far left ideology. This trumps facts, truth, or reality. Nothing is more important than the liberal cause so they will deflect the blame, dismiss the facts, and destroy the messenger. It's the liberal way.

Indy: What you see here at this forum by the hard core religious conservative ideologues is their refusal to get beyond the partisan politics and actually understand what’s really going on.

We know the following questions here that are not answered form the foundation of the current IRS situation:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?

So the ‘truth’ is the GOP under funds the IRS then cries about being ‘targeted’ by hard working IRS agents that are trying to protect our democracy from ‘hidden’ donors that are abusing the 501C4s.

That’s why this guy won’t answer the question . . . since the answer hits the reality that the GOP simply doesn’t want to acknowledge.

In any event, had the IRS been properly funded, we could have had more agents out looking into these ‘bogus’ ‘fronts’ for illegal campaigning donations from both parties . . .

And how does this poster respond to asking why the House has don’t NOTHING to address better standards for 501C4s: “It's beyond stupidity or gullibility for the true believers here.”

I wish I was making this up . . . but you can see the far right base views this issue and why the RNC creates these nonsense scandals to keep these types of ideologues ‘in line’ and hope they simply don’t think through what they are saying.

Yes, Mr. Issa, not everyone is America is as ideology stupid as you think they are . . .and that’s going to become more and more evident . . . so just ‘rant on’!


Indy: Posted: July 3, 2014 1:56 p.m.

BrianBaker wrote: Captain Irrelevant strikes again, with more off-topic meaningless gibberish. There's your "response", Captain.

Indy: The poster does make a good example of why a Op-ed is just an opinion . . . which can be based on rantings, ideology, beliefs or simply just nonsense that the writer lives on.

He wants you to have trust in a organization that the GOP routinely underfunds due to their ideology.

Then he cries that things are workings the way they should . . .

Then we get some ideology clown Issa to hold ‘partisan hearings’ that serve no real purpose.

And how we’re back to the primary questions that this guy refuses to answers since I guess it simply dismisses his opinions:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?

As you might expect these conservatives here will ‘NEVER’ answer these questions that form the basis of the issue . . .

And indeed, they don’t want admit that the House under Speaker Boehner is a complete failure . . . having done literally nothing for 6 years except try to repeal the ACA!

The IRS has even noted it wants more direction from congress . . . yet the GOP ignores that since the ‘scandal’ they’ve created out of nothing would be ‘harmed’ buy taking action.

Again, I wish I was making this up . . . I really do . . .


17trillion: Posted: July 3, 2014 2:10 p.m.

"Indy: What you still can’t grasp is that lots of people ignorant of basic economics and management still make a lot of money . . ."

But you said I had no formal training in business? I put my money where my mouth is and you ran and hid. You can't handle the fact that a college dropout like me could build a company with over 300 employees on both coasts and be able to sell and retire before I hit 40, all without the need of a MBA from Northridge. I contend there are more stupid MBAs from Northridge than business owners running 8 figure a year businesses. Yea, but I'm ignorant about management and economics. Yea sure.....

"Indy: Your not going to get a really good picture of managing anything in a politically motivated hearing . . . this should be done in the yearly budgeting."

Did you learn this in a book Black Knight? So what you're saying is that when asked what his IT budget was last year and when he gave a VERY specific answer of 1.8 billion dollars, that answer is somehow skewed by partisanship? YOU ARE HILLARIOUS!

It's just a flesh wound!


17trillion: Posted: July 3, 2014 2:14 p.m.

Perhaps some simple chemistry is needed?


tech: Posted: July 3, 2014 3:16 p.m.

I'm with you, 17t. Results trump academic credentials EVERY SINGLE TIME. The practical application of knowledge is what's valued in the real world.

"Look, in my office and on my desk I have not less than fifty and no more than a hundred buttons at my disposal that I can push and summon any number of men in my employ that can tell me anything on anything I want to know or need to know to run Ford Motor Company, or for any other reason even if only for my own amusement. I don't need to know the answers to know what you or anyone else may ask me. I pay people to do that for me. It's not knowing the answer that counts, it's knowing where to find it that counts at Ford Motor Company" - Henry Ford


Indy: Posted: July 3, 2014 7:04 p.m.

17trillion wrote: "Indy: What you still can’t grasp is that lots of people ignorant of basic economics and management still make a lot of money . . ."

But you said I had no formal training in business? I put my money where my mouth is and you ran and hid.

Indy: Again, many people run businesses that make a lot of money and many of those same businesses fail miserably . . . ask the guy who ran Countrywide Financial.

17trillion wrote: You can't handle the fact that a college dropout like me could build a company with over 300 employees on both coasts and be able to sell and retire before I hit 40, all without the need of a MBA from Northridge. I contend there are more stupid MBAs from Northridge than business owners running 8 figure a year businesses. Yea, but I'm ignorant about management and economics. Yea sure.....

Indy: I’m not unhappy at all for people that find success.

But I do disagree that people without a good educational background in topics like economics, budgeting, and business management are not the folks I’m going to listen to about discussing national issues that involve a far bigger picture than any given business.

In this includes the 'constitutional professor' inhabiting the White House . . .

A lot of the remarks you make at this forum are not well thought out and won’t even work. The public doesn’t have to worry about individual businessmen failing but when they run government, the consequences and the people effected are far more pronounced.

And indeed a lot of ‘educated’ people are not all equipped to handle big problems either . . . I saw a lot of highly educated people in my work in large companies that can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. But they as least are open to discussion and their educational backgrounds make it easier to guide them.

17trillion wrote: "Indy: Your not going to get a really good picture of managing anything in a politically motivated hearing . . . this should be done in the yearly budgeting."

Did you learn this in a book Black Knight? So what you're saying is that when asked what his IT budget was last year and when he gave a VERY specific answer of 1.8 billion dollars, that answer is somehow skewed by partisanship? YOU ARE HILLARIOUS! It's just a flesh wound!

Indy: I’m not surprised that someone like yourself gets worked up over a partisan political hearing and can’t grasp the more important issues in play there including understanding a budget number devoid of context.

No professional manager would make decisions based knowing the ‘number only’.

In any event, your condescending comments and name calling shows your immaturity and lack of any cohesive strategy. You appear to be more political motivated that from my experience only prolongs problems and rarely solves them.

That’s why I’m here . . . to help the guest readers . . . understand issues beyond the politics.


Indy: Posted: July 3, 2014 7:07 p.m.

Tech wrote: I'm with you, 17t. Results trump academic credentials EVERY SINGLE TIME. The practical application of knowledge is what's valued in the real world.

Indy: Sorry but I disagree.

We’ve got plenty of people with real world experience and no academic training that solve nothing.

We also have intellectual ideologues that sound like they know what they are talking about . . . but it only sounds that way . . .

In your case, you boast your business experience but refuse to disclose same.

And for reasons unclear to me, you refuse to cite your educational background.


tech: Posted: July 3, 2014 7:54 p.m.

Indy: Sorry but I disagree.

So? Your business failed. Q.E.D.

You have a government job now, right? --edited.


tech: Posted: July 3, 2014 7:59 p.m.

"And for reasons unclear to me…" - Indy

That's a huge list, eh?


projalice11: Posted: July 3, 2014 8:36 p.m.

Getting off the subject of the IRS and getting to the problem of our water storage:

Castaic Lake will not have Fireworks July 4th..
Beaches will not be open this summer ..
No swimming ..

"And my car is white"


Indy: Posted: July 3, 2014 8:48 p.m.

Tech wrote: Indy: Sorry but I disagree.

So? Your business failed. Q.E.D.

You have a government job now, right? --edited.

Indy: Again, if you disclose your educational background I’ll be better able to help you . . .

And knowing your business experience or lack thereof would be a bonus.


Indy: Posted: July 3, 2014 8:52 p.m.

Tech wrote: "And for reasons unclear to me…" - Indy

That's a huge list, eh?

Indy: You’d think that we all the effort I go into to help conservatives understand ‘context’ you’d have gotten the hint . . . but I guess not.

But it’s not surprising, conservatives like to ‘cherry pick’ things as you’ve done here and your brethren do with the Constitution.

Thankfully, I’m here to help you . . . and as we can see, that’s no small job.


tech: Posted: July 3, 2014 8:53 p.m.

Why don't you disclose your government job so we can understand why you flack for your employer, Indy?

Shouldn't you be out, loud and proud as a statist?


tech: Posted: July 3, 2014 8:59 p.m.

As the owner of a failed business, what we see is someone that's unqualified to "help" others.

Why don't you take advantage of the opportunity to learn from those that didn't have to resort to working for the government?


ricketzz: Posted: July 4, 2014 6:46 a.m.

Maybe we should send Lois Lerner to Gitmo so Cheney and his kinky family can torture a confession out of her. Otherwise, this thing is over. Move on.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 4, 2014 6:58 a.m.

"Otherwise, this thing is over. Move on."

About 75% of the American people, according to the latest polling data, disagree with you.


Indy: Posted: July 4, 2014 1:38 p.m.

tech wrote: Why don't you disclose your government job so we can understand why you flack for your employer, Indy?

Indy: Thanks so much for helping me understand how religious conservatives create their own little worlds . . .

tech wrote: Shouldn't you be out, loud and proud as a statist?

Indy: Yes, I was wondering who listens to Mark Levin . . .

In any event, I’m still here to help you . . . knowing your educational background would help you even more.


Indy: Posted: July 4, 2014 1:41 p.m.

tech wrote: As the owner of a failed business, what we see is someone that's unqualified to "help" others.

Indy: You’ve boasted about you owning ‘multiple’ businesses yet you refuse to even disclose the types . . . hmmmmm . . .

tech wrote: Why don't you take advantage of the opportunity to learn from those that didn't have to resort to working for the government?

Indy: Again, one of the reasons I’m here is to help libertarians understand where their ideology is failing as well as revealing the shortcomings of capitalism.

I can see from you remark that’s no small task but I’m up for it!


Indy: Posted: July 4, 2014 1:43 p.m.

Still waiting for the answers to these questions:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties?

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?


tech: Posted: July 4, 2014 2:43 p.m.

What does your government job entail, Indy? Sorting mail, trimming hedges, making coffee, checking regulatory forms submitted by productive citizens who run successful businesses, etc.?

Please advise.


CaptGene: Posted: July 4, 2014 3:41 p.m.

Something tells me Indy Nile's job involves pestering people to turn in TPS reports.


Indy: Posted: July 4, 2014 8:23 p.m.

Tech wrote: What does your government job entail, Indy? Sorting mail, trimming hedges, making coffee, checking regulatory forms submitted by productive citizens who run successful businesses, etc.? Please advise.

Indy: Again, if you disclose your educational background, I can help you better understand the economic issues that so trouble you.

But again, why won’t the Op-ed writer so interested in the IRS answer these questions:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties?

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?


Why do republicans cry so much about the IRS but won’t fund it properly to oversee the abuse in the 501C4s?

What is their motivation to IGNORE these questions?

This is what you should be asking yourself as you enter the voting booth . . .


Indy: Posted: July 4, 2014 8:24 p.m.

C(omedy)aptG(old)ene wrote: Something tells me Indy Nile's job involves pestering people to turn in TPS reports.

Indy: It’s comedy gold!


tech: Posted: July 4, 2014 8:44 p.m.

Only a government employee would suggest greater funding for this:

IRS awards more than $1 million in bonuses to tax collector tax cheats

The Internal Revenue Service handed out a combined $2.8 million in monetary awards to more than 2,800 agency employees recently disciplined for conduct issues.

The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration, or TIGTA, also found more than 1,100 of the disciplined employees were given cash incentives or time off even after they failed to pay their taxes, according to an audit released by the IRS’ auditor Tuesday.

REWARDING BAD BEHAVIOR: The IRS paid out $2.8 million in cash rewards to employees who had recently been disciplined for conduct issues, according to a new audit.

Auditors reviewed a non-representative selection of 26 of the most serious conduct issues resulting in discipline — from more than 1,400 such cases — resulting in an “in-depth review to determine the circumstances and reasons for the misconduct.”

Violations included:

- Late payment and/or nonpayment of federal taxes
- Government travel card misuse or delinquency
- Misconduct
- Fraud

More funding? Absurd!

http://watchdog.org/140252/irs-tax-audit/ --edited.


Indy: Posted: July 5, 2014 3:25 p.m.

Tech wrote: Only a government employee would suggest greater funding for this:

IRS awards more than $1 million in bonuses to tax collector tax cheats

Indy: Yes, just like ‘for profit’ financial firms that were giving bonues to their ‘lenders’ who ‘sell’ the most financing!!!!

Tech wrote: The Internal Revenue Service handed out a combined $2.8 million in monetary awards to more than 2,800 agency employees recently disciplined for conduct issues.

Indy: Well, the government is doing the bonuses ‘on the cheap’!

Consider: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tarp-bonuses.asp

“A buzzword coined by the financial media during the financial crisis of 2008/09 to describe bonuses paid to employees and executives of banks and other financial firms that received Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) funds. TARP bonuses were controversial because employees were receiving additional pay even as their companies required bailout funds. . . .

This legislation was created in response to the public anger surrounding $165 million in bonuses that was paid to traders in the AIG Financial Products (A.I.G.F.P.) division, the division responsible for the majority of losses surrounding the fall of A.I.G.”

Indy: The bonuses here were just for AIG issue . . . I’ll look further for numbers from Goldman Sachs.

Tech wrote:The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration, or TIGTA, also found more than 1,100 of the disciplined employees were given cash incentives or time off even after they failed to pay their taxes, according to an audit released by the IRS’ auditor Tuesday. REWARDING BAD BEHAVIOR: The IRS paid out $2.8 million in cash rewards to employees who had recently been disciplined for conduct issues, according to a new audit.

Indy: Sadly, the large financial companies like JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, and AIG, were actually giving bonuses to employees that created the chaos!!!!

So it’s great to lambast the IRS but the financial industry rewards idiots in the tens of millions . . . and got us, the taxpayer, to fund it all . . .

In any event, the IRS was 'underfunded' while the financial companies got huge 'loans' for their 'malfeasance' . . . the 'too big to fail' issue . . . and even as I write this, conservatives in congress are trying to deflate the Dodd-Frank reforms!!!


Indy: Posted: July 5, 2014 3:30 p.m.

http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2010/2010-59.htm
SEC Charges Goldman Sachs With Fraud in Structuring and Marketing of CDO Tied to Subprime Mortgages

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
2010-59

Washington, D.C., April 16, 2010 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged Goldman, Sachs & Co. and one of its vice presidents for defrauding investors by misstating and omitting key facts about a financial product tied to subprime mortgages as the U.S. housing market was beginning to falter.

The SEC alleges that Goldman Sachs structured and marketed a synthetic collateralized debt obligation (CDO) that hinged on the performance of subprime residential mortgage-backed securities (RMBS). Goldman Sachs failed to disclose to investors vital information about the CDO, in particular the role that a major hedge fund played in the portfolio selection process and the fact that the hedge fund had taken a short position against the CDO.

"The product was new and complex but the deception and conflicts are old and simple," said Robert Khuzami, Director of the Division of Enforcement. "Goldman wrongly permitted a client that was betting against the mortgage market to heavily influence which mortgage securities to include in an investment portfolio, while telling other investors that the securities were selected by an independent, objective third party."

Indy: This the world that you want to push Americans into with your 'libertarian' anti-regulation positions . . . that just create the financial chaos and lack of opportunity for private investors . . . shameful.


tech: Posted: July 5, 2014 3:35 p.m.

Indy: Yes, just like ‘for profit’ financial firms that were giving bonues to their ‘lenders’ who ‘sell’ the most financing!!!!

Rather, incompetence and malfeasance are being rewarded by unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats with zero oversight by their political masters. It's insulting and mocks the concept of "public servants".

Your deflections and illiteracy are risible.


therightstuff: Posted: July 5, 2014 8:01 p.m.

Indy: """But again, why won’t the Op-ed writer so interested in the IRS answer these questions"""

Why won't the guy who is so critical of Fox News offer just ONE example of factual inaccuracy about the IRS story?

This is my sixth request. Such a cowardly hypocrite.


BrianBaker: Posted: July 6, 2014 6:23 a.m.

"Indy: """But again, why won’t the Op-ed writer so interested in the IRS answer these questions"""


Because the Op-ed writer -- me -- considers them stupid and irrelevant, that's why.


ricketzz: Posted: July 7, 2014 5:52 a.m.

Why don't people accept the "lone nut" explanation for the IRS [not even] scandal? If it's good enough for Tucson, AZ and Aurora, CO and Dallas, TX why isn't it plausible here?


tech: Posted: July 7, 2014 10:59 a.m.

Because the evidence, simultaneous data loss/no backup, obstruction and IRS admissions categorically refute the political spin, ricketzz.

Why even posit such an implausible scenario?

Regarding your attempted linkage, equally implausible based on the data. --edited.


Indy: Posted: July 7, 2014 3:00 p.m.

Tech wrote: Indy: Yes, just like ‘for profit’ financial firms that were giving bonues to their ‘lenders’ who ‘sell’ the most financing!!!!

Rather, incompetence and malfeasance are being rewarded by unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats with zero oversight by their political masters. It's insulting and mocks the concept of "public servants". Your deflections and illiteracy are risible.

Indy: It’s really sad that you want to believe in your ideology based world of libertarian market fundamentalism that all ‘organizations’ run perfectly’!!! LOL

And to see that the same financial firms that created this current recession actually gave many of their own people ‘bonuses’ with taxpayer bailout funding . . . wow . . .

I think you might want to consider your own verbiage here: “Your deflections and illiteracy are risible.”


Indy: Posted: July 7, 2014 3:05 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """But again, why won’t the Op-ed writer so interested in the IRS answer these questions"""

Why won't the guy who is so critical of Fox News offer just ONE example of factual inaccuracy about the IRS story?

Indy: Can anyone else ‘guess’ why these poster won’t answer these questions with anything meaningful:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties?

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?

The poster did budge a little saying (paraphrasing) that the IRS had more than enough . . . yet nothing supports that premise.

And why hasn’t Boehner done anything to address the IRS request for better clarification to keep large donors from abusing the ‘non-profit’ ‘tax exempt’ 501C4s?

If you sincerely wanted to correct the problem, why avoid it’s solution?


Indy: Posted: July 7, 2014 3:07 p.m.

BrianBaker wrote: "Indy: """But again, why won’t the Op-ed writer so interested in the IRS answer these questions"""


Because the Op-ed writer -- me -- considers them stupid and irrelevant, that's why.

Indy: Does everyone else believe we can solve the IRS problems without asking these questions:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties?

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?

Again, how can you address the issues facing the IRS by calling for solutions that are considered ‘stupid and irrelevant’?????


tech: Posted: July 7, 2014 4:50 p.m.

"I think you might want to consider your own verbiage here: “Your deflections and illiteracy are risible.” - Indy

My critique was on point. Your response is risibly content free.

Your posts are the running joke on these fora, Indy. :-D


therightstuff: Posted: July 7, 2014 8:52 p.m.

Indy: """Can anyone else ‘guess’ why these poster won’t answer these questions with anything meaningful"""

Your questions have been asked - and answered - several times.

Are you ever going to answer MY question of where Fox News has been reporting anything factually inaccurate....as you've been asked nine times now?


BrianBaker: Posted: July 8, 2014 10:13 p.m.

"Again, how can you address the issues facing the IRS by calling for solutions that are considered ‘stupid and irrelevant’?????"


Why do you keep asking the same stupid and irrelevant questions?


ricketzz: Posted: July 8, 2014 8:11 a.m.

Nobody but street criminals and Bernie Madoff get punished these days. This is the age of no accountability anywhere. Thank the stars for Wikileaks and Ed Snowden (who WOULD be punished severely for showing us the level of official criminal behavior that goes on in secret).

Reagan put hundreds of banksters in jail. Obama hasn't indicted a single one. He has Jamie Dimon on speed dial.


therightstuff: Posted: July 8, 2014 12:26 p.m.

Also interesting ricketzz how Enron flourished under Clinton but was brought to justice under Bush. Who did the Democrats and media blame for Enron?

Bush.


ricketzz: Posted: July 9, 2014 6:25 a.m.

Clinton and Phil Gramm (whose wife Wendy was on Enron BOD). Commodity Futures Modernization Act? Repealed Glass-Steagall (allowing traditional banks to gamble slash hedge (all their machinations with other peoples' money), get "too big to fail" and are now in a lofty spot in constitutional America, i.e. above criminal law.

The reason Bush is associated with Enron is his personal friendship with Ken Lay.


tech: Posted: July 11, 2014 3:24 p.m.

On July 11, 2014, the parties appeared before the Court to present oral argument on the merits of the plaintiff’s pending Motion for Preliminary Injunction and Expedited Discovery to Prevent Further Spoliation of, and to Preserve and Restore, Evidence and Discoverable Information. During the July 11 hearing, counsel from the Department of Justice represented that an there is an ongoing investigation being conducted by the Inspector General of the United States Department of the Treasury concerning the emails and computer hard drive that are the subject of the plaintiff’s motion. Counsel further represented that the Inspector General’s investigation comprises, among other things, the same type of forensic examination sought by the plaintiff in its pending motion. In accordance with the rulings orally issued by the Court during the July 11 hearing, and to inform the Court’s consideration of current and/or future discovery matters pertaining to the emails and computer hard drive at issue, it is hereby
ORDERED that, on or before July 18, 2014, defendant the Internal Revenue Service shall submit to the Court an affidavit or declaration signed under oath by an appropriate individual with firsthand knowledge that:

1. outlines the expertise and qualifications of the individual or individuals currently conducting the forensic examination as part of the Inspector General’s investigation;

2. outlines the expertise and qualifications of the individual or individuals who previously conducted forensic examinations or otherwise attempted to recover information from the computer hard drive at issue;

3. provides a projected date of completion of the Inspector General’s investigation;

4. states whether the serial number, if any, assigned to the computer hard drive at issue is known; and

5. if the serial number is known, why the computer hard drive cannot be identified and preserved.

SO ORDERED this 11th day of July, 2014.

REGGIE B. WALTON
United States District Judge


Indy: Posted: July 11, 2014 6:31 p.m.

Tech wrote: "I think you might want to consider your own verbiage here: “Your deflections and illiteracy are risible.” - Indy

My critique was on point.

Indy: I’ve got to bring back the ‘Pat Yourself on the Back Award’!

Tech wrote: Your response is risibly content free.

Indy: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

Tech wrote: Your posts are the running joke on these fora, Indy. :-D

Indy: LOL . . . but I’m still here to help you . . . if I knew your educational background that would make it easier . . . . for now, I’ll ‘assume’ you’ve a legal background that explains your lack of knowledge in technology, science, business, economics and management . . . until I know different.


Indy: Posted: July 11, 2014 6:35 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """Can anyone else ‘guess’ why these poster won’t answer these questions with anything meaningful"""

Your questions have been asked - and answered - several times.

Indy: I applaud your attempt to answer them but you still don’t grasp that cutting the IRS budget independent of the services demanded from same creatwes the problems you noted.

Same with the situation with Boehner not creating ‘clearer’ definitions of what constitutes a 501C4s organization that doesn’t allow abuse by large donor hiding their money . . . and dimishing our democracy.

Therightstuff wrote: Are you ever going to answer MY question of where Fox News has been reporting anything factually inaccurate....as you've been asked nine times now?

Indy: See above . . .


Indy: Posted: July 11, 2014 6:39 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Also interesting ricketzz how Enron flourished under Clinton but was brought to justice under Bush. Who did the Democrats and media blame for Enron? Bush.

Indy: Let’s do a little walk down ‘memory lane’.

The big 5 accounting firm . . . Arthur Anderson . . . was ‘hiding’ the nature of the Enron malfeasance . . . such that the same company was disbanded after the disclosure of ‘their’ malfeance.

Would you trust an audited financial statement from a yet to be eliminated big 5 accounting firm?

And then there’s the issue of Dick Cheney’s ‘sealing’ of the energy discussions that included the head of Enron . . . starting to smell the ‘stink’ here?

Bush by pure happenstance and a little help from his SCOTUS friends was in office when the you know what hit the fan!


Indy: Posted: July 11, 2014 6:40 p.m.

Ricketzz wrote: Clinton and Phil Gramm (whose wife Wendy was on Enron BOD). Commodity Futures Modernization Act? Repealed Glass-Steagall (allowing traditional banks to gamble slash hedge (all their machinations with other peoples' money), get "too big to fail" and are now in a lofty spot in constitutional America, i.e. above criminal law.

Indy: Yep.

Ricketzz wrote: `The reason Bush is associated with Enron is his personal friendship with Ken Lay.

Indy: Yep.


Indy: Posted: July 11, 2014 6:46 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """Can anyone else ‘guess’ why these poster won’t answer these questions with anything meaningful"""

Your questions have been asked - and answered - several times.

Indy: Yes, but not meaningfully . . . and missing the points . . . but thanks for trying!

Therightstuff wrote: Are you ever going to answer MY question of where Fox News has been reporting anything factually inaccurate....as you've been asked nine times now?

Indy: I’ve already explained that to you several times . . . one of the reasons I keep asking this question:

“- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties?”

And to make matters worse, rather than help the IRS make a better law for determining what constituted a 501C4 that doesn’t abuse the donor contributions section, well, you blame Obama . . . when it’s clear the congress, your boy Boehner, has simply failed . . . even though he’s got his ‘man’ Issa running a committee taking testimony that he ignores . . .

And now Boehner wants to sue the Obama for not doing anything? Too rich dude . . . to rich.

I just hope the public sees what’s has and hasn’t been going on . . .


tech: Posted: July 12, 2014 11:56 a.m.

"I just hope the public sees what’s has and hasn’t been going on . . . " - Indy

Oh, they do! Have you reviewed the polling on IRS scandals? Here's the latest example of what the public understands:

IRS worker suspended for pro-Obama activities

An IRS employee was suspended for 100 days for using his job at the agency’s help line to try to convince callers to vote for President Obama, a government watchdog agency announced Thursday.

The employee, whose name wasn’t mentioned in the announcement from the Office of Special Counsel, admitted to using his job for political purposes and agreed to the settlement that involved a 100-day suspension.

“OSC’s complaint alleged that, when fielding taxpayers’ questions on an IRS customer service help line, the employee repeatedly urged taxpayers to re-elect President Obama in 2012 by delivering a chant based on the spelling of the employee’s last name,” the investigative office said.

The judgment against the IRS employee, meanwhile, was the third instance where the tax agency has run afoul of the Hatch Act in recent months.

The OSC announced in May that the Dallas office of the IRS had to be warned after complaints that it was “commonplace” to have pro-Obama screensavers on computers, and to have campaign-style buttons and stickers at the office.

And an IRS employee in Kentucky served a 14-day suspension for blasting Republicans in a telephone conversation with a taxpayer.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/10/irs-employee-suspended-pro-obama-activities/#ixzz37HWrG0ZK --edited.


Indy: Posted: July 12, 2014 6:07 p.m.

Tech wrote: "I just hope the public sees what’s has and hasn’t been going on . . . " - Indy

Oh, they do! Have you reviewed the polling on IRS scandals? Here's the latest example of what the public understands:

IRS worker suspended for pro-Obama activities.

Indy: You mean like Governor Scott Walker?

“MADISON — A federal appellate judge has ordered the unsealing of two sets of documents filed in a lawsuit challenging a secret investigation into possible coordination between Gov. Scott Walker's campaign and conservative groups.”

I’m sure it’s far more serious that a republican Governor is being investigate for campaign contribution fraud than a single IRS employee, no?

In any event, like it or not, public or private, a lot of employees do things they aren’t supposed to . . . but that’s not the issue here.

So the questions to you:

- Why do conservatives vote to underfund the IRS when it’s asked to perform expanded duties?

- And why hasn’t the House lead by Speak Boehner done anything to improve the qualifications for 501C4s that have been abused to political groups of both parties to hide donor contributions?


tech: Posted: July 12, 2014 7:18 p.m.

Indy: You mean like Governor Scott Walker?

No. That would be a tu quoque and I don't engage in fallacious debate or make false equivalencies.

Have you ever considered going back to school and taking a debate class? I doubt they offer the remedial variety but it might be worth checking into. Maybe an Adult Class at a High School would up your skills.

Has Gov. Walker been legally cited and sanctioned?

IRS: Legal stipulation to misconduct and attendant fines and sanctions.
Gov. Walker: Allegations of campaign "coordination" in an investigation that has been ruled to lack merit by state and Federal judges and has been shut down.

Have you been following the Wisconsin Club for Growth First Amendment lawsuit? I have. So a friendly advisory to tread carefully when making assertions.

Milwaukee Wisconsin Journal Sentinel:

Yet Federal Judge Rudolph Randa, based on the record before him in a civil rights case brought by one of the targets, said there was no evidence of such coordination. He wrote that the investigators seek to infer coordination from the fact that a single consultant who worked with these independent groups also, from time to time, worked for the governor. Whether such a relationship can ever establish coordination is hotly contested in the world of campaign finance law. If it can (and I don't believe the Constitution permits it), then lots of Democrats and Republicans are going to jail.

Not surprisingly, the legal merits of the investigation have met with astonishingly rapid judicial disapproval. The only judges to look at the prosecutors' case have found it to lack merit. One decision — that of Judge Gregory Peterson quashing the subpoenas and warrants — held that state law does not even regulate the issue advocacy engaged in by these groups.

Randa ordered a halt to the investigation, holding that, even if state law purports to reach such advocacy, individuals and organizations have an absolute right to speak about the issues at election time — even if they have, in some way, coordinated with a candidate. To hold otherwise, he reasoned, would unduly restrict core political speech.

Perhaps both of these judges are wrong, but it doesn't look like it. Just last week, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals — agreeing with Peterson and Randa (albeit in a different case) — held that Wisconsin's campaign finance law cannot be constitutionally applied to issue advocacy. Even more important, it suggested that treating "coordinated" issue advocacy — at least where coordination is implied from relationships — may create a constitutionally problematic trap for the unwary.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/judge-rudolph-randas-decision-looks-solid-b99274852z1-260487881.html

Judge Randa's ruling: http://media.jrn.com/documents/doeruling.pdf --edited.


ricketzz: Posted: July 13, 2014 7:01 a.m.

I think Sam Brownback putting Kansas into technical bankruptcy by cutting taxes too much says everything we need to know about the new breed of Republican governors. They serve one master; The Corporation, everyone else is just collateral damage.

Detroit is Chile, September 11, 1973. Detroit is New Orleans, 2005. Detroit is Baghdad. An emergency has been declared. All contracts and work rules no longer apply. The Wagner Act is suspended. Civilian contractors with steroid bulges and laser sighted M4s patrol the darkness. All that "America" stuff goes down the memory hole. This is all what the Private Sector does! This is Michigan today.


tech: Posted: July 13, 2014 3:32 p.m.

Mental wounds still screaming
Driving me insane
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train

I know that things are going wrong for me
You gotta listen to my words
Yeah

- Ozzy Osbourne


Indy: Posted: July 13, 2014 7:33 p.m.

Tech wrote: Indy: You mean like Governor Scott Walker?

No. That would be a tu quoque and I don't engage in fallacious debate or make false equivalencies.

Indy: We’ll see what happens as the investigation proceeds forward . . .


tech: Posted: July 13, 2014 8:49 p.m.

There's nothing further required to document that you made a false equivalency and a tu quoque, Indy. Those fundamental errors rate your debate skill at less than High School level.


tech: Posted: July 14, 2014 5:13 p.m.

Quell surprise! More hard drive "crashes" of Federal employees violating the Hatch Act.

As a part of a settlement agreement with the [Office of Special Counsel], Ms. [April] Sands admitted to violating the Hatch Act by soliciting political contributions via Twitter, conducting political activity through her Twitter account, and participating in a political discussion ‘via webcam from an FEC conference room . . . while on duty. The FEC [Office of Inspector General] sought to pursue criminal charges stemming from Ms. Sands’s solicitation of political contributions while on duty inside the FEC building. However, the FEC recycled Ms. Sands’s hard drive before the OIG was able to seize it, and therefore the OIG was unable to show that Ms. Sands’s solicitations and political activity were done from an FEC computer. The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia thereafter declined criminal prosecution.

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/2014-07-14-DEI-Jordan-to-Goodman-FEC-April-Sands-Hard-Drive.pdf


ricketzz: Posted: July 15, 2014 7:23 a.m.

Ooh. Ooh. Violating the Hatch Act!

"The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism

is a 2007 book by the Canadian author Naomi Klein, and is the basis of a 2009 documentary by the same name directed by Michael Winterbottom. The book argues that libertarian free market policies (as advocated by the economist Milton Friedman) have risen to prominence in some developed countries because of a deliberate strategy by some political leaders. These leaders exploit crises to push through controversial exploitative policies while citizens are too emotionally and physically distracted by disasters or upheavals to mount an effective resistance. The book implies that some man-made crises, such as the Iraq war, may have been created with the intention of pushing through these unpopular policies in their wake." -wikipedia

http://www.tulanelink.com/tulanelink/blackwater_box.htm


tech: Posted: July 15, 2014 12:18 p.m.

Ricketzz:

You beclown yourself when you attempt to mock the foundation of our civil society, i.e. the rule of law. Emotionalism fueled by warped conspiracy theories and the breakdown of public order is what you desire, followed by the inevitable totalitarianism.

Your radicalism will be accorded the lack of respect it deserves and you persuade no one. --edited.


Indy: Posted: July 15, 2014 1:14 p.m.

Tech wrote: There's nothing further required to document that you made a false equivalency and a tu quoque, Indy. Those fundamental errors rate your debate skill at less than High School level.

Indy: You’ve shown a pattern where you ignore things that don’t support your ideology . . . . I’m not the only one that sees it . . .


Indy: Posted: July 15, 2014 1:17 p.m.

Tech wrote: Quell surprise! More hard drive "crashes" of Federal employees violating the Hatch Act.

Indy: Surprised?

Don’t you follow the news?

When the GOP tries to cut the IRS budget each cycle then cry about their performance with ‘expanded’ duties shows their and your managerial ignorance.

Blaming for the poor performance is just self-serving and hurts Americans.


CaptGene: Posted: July 15, 2014 5:48 p.m.

Indy Nile: ". . . .I’m not the only one that sees it . . . "

Yeah tech, cricketzz and projalice111 often back up Indy Nile!


ricketzz: Posted: July 16, 2014 7:22 a.m.

What "conspiracy theories" and I promulgating? If you doubt you ask and I provide voluminous dox. It may sound like crazy ranting to you but my set of facts are the best available.

Public Order is a thin veneer. The Rule of Law only applies to people below a certain station in life. If you are rich you can do anything. (Selective Liberty).


tech: Posted: July 16, 2014 11:39 a.m.

Your apologia for obstructionist government behavior is pathetic, Indy. Attempts to form a causal link between statistically impossible simultaneous hard drive failure/destruction/zero backup with current funding is absurd. Hard drives don't require maintenance. They work until they fail. They're rated for MTBF and don't experience "expanded duties". That's why they're backed up to redundant arrays of storage in private and government enterprises.

As I explained before, those workstation hard drives were previously acquired in a capital expense budget. Don't you understand CAPEX budgeting for hardware? The expenses were already incurred and the hardware delivered/deployed. A budget "cut" doesn't make hard drives suddenly fail simultaneously when they're subject to an investigation.

Get it now? Don't bring it up again. The assertion is beyond stupid.


ricketzz: Posted: July 18, 2014 7:44 a.m.

"Civil society" only exists for the Protected Class. It's a jungle out here.


tech: Posted: July 18, 2014 9:55 a.m.

Stop talking about your lawn, ricketzz.

Our civil society exists for those who decide not to exclude themselves.


ricketzz: Posted: July 19, 2014 6:33 a.m.

And it is the thinnest of veneers. Your "civil society" is rapidly being whipped into a frenzy by reckless media and poorly chosen words. Charles Manson was convinced God wanted him to start a Revolution. Sound familiar?


tech: Posted: July 19, 2014 7:39 a.m.

Your revolutionary ravings do remind one of Helter Skelter, ricketzz.

Where's Manson now? Oh yeah… he's been convicted and imprisoned for decades by civil society.


ricketzz: Posted: July 20, 2014 7:04 a.m.

Except for a handful of years Mr. Manson has spent his entire life behind bars.

Good joke about the lawn. I am too old to start a revolution. That is for the young people with uncertain lives in front of them. Hopefully they are studying Sun Tzu on Mama's couch.


tech: Posted: July 20, 2014 11:08 a.m.

"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle." - Sun Tzu


ricketzz: Posted: July 25, 2014 8:09 a.m.

"Challenge when the opponent is unable to engage. Therefore, we are focused and act as one, while the opponent is divided." (This is what the oligarchs are doing to us right now).

"Those who are not aware of disadvantageous strategies cannot be aware of strategies that are advantageous." -Sun Tzu



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