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Gary Horton: Obama is the most boring president ever

Posted: June 25, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: June 25, 2014 2:00 a.m.
 

I have a good friend who takes marching orders through the tin foil hat atop his head perpetually tuned to Fox and Friends and all else owned and distributed by Rupert Murdoch.

Accordingly, he’s not much of a Barack Obama fan. But matters weren’t helped much this past week when an opinion poll came out citing Barack Obama was hitting the gutter-ball low point of his career as viewed by the “American public.”

Said friend wrote in scathing emails to my overflowing email address:

“I have enough pride in my country to want the president, regardless of political party, to succeed. So I don’t want him out because he is a Dem or a liberal; I just want him out because today and right now he is the — all-capital letters here — worst president in decades — capitals end here — and he’s not done yet.”

And then the usual blah blah about rising medical rates and keep your doctor, and so much more minor stuff made out to be as serious as a new terrorist attack.

There’s a majority of folks over 70 years of age and of primarily white descent who feel as my friend does.

And my friend just happens to be part of the staunch 30 percent of under-70-year-old white guy Republicans who also happen to feel that way.

But, these demographics aside, I really don’t think Obama’s drop in the polls is a racial issue, aside from the 20 percent of Americans of mostly Southern affiliation who’d readily bring back slavery, given half a chance.

No. Obama’s polling problems aren’t overwhelmingly racial or demographic.

It’s much more the Hollywood-action-movie, video game, shoot-‘em-up, WWF, NFL violence, guns-everywhere, eyes-glued-to-iPhone American culture that has Barack sucking wind on the last lap of his presidency.

The short stroke is that the 24/7 news cycle, ultra-high violence, ultra-shot attention span American public has simply gotten bored.

And in a shock-jock radio culture, a thoughtful, quiet president, “quietly minding the store” certainly doesn’t amp up the ratings.

The American electorate is yawning. Bored, bored, bored.

We wake up and, if we’re literate, we walk out to the driveway and pick up our Signal, or, if reading’s too hard, we turn on the TV and have some bubble-headed booby blonde read us the news — and we learn that, as much as they try to sound sensational, yesterday wasn’t much different than the day before, and that today is going to be more of the same.

Days turn to weeks turn to months, and nothing much to get excited about actually affects you or me. Yawn.

We’ve got no jetliners flying into skyscrapers or into the Pentagon. We’ve got no anthrax in envelope scares. No government officials urging us to “duct tape our windows!”

We’ve not been made to be afraid of “evil-doers” behind every door, corner and window. We’ve not launched any new wars with new “Collin Powels” lying through clenched teeth about supposed mobile weapons labs.

And we’ve not “mission accomplished” anything on any aircraft carrier anywhere.

No one has bombed our Marine barracks in Lebanon, killing 299 soldiers without warning. We’ve not had a dinghy pull up to a USS Cole and blow the sides to smithereens, killing 17 servicemen.

No, “no fly zones,” no mega-bombing wars in Europe, no Oklahoma City bombings taking out 166 people and wounding 660 others.

We’ve not had disputed elections with the Supreme Court literally picking our next president. No mile-long gas lines, no stock market crashes wiping out your life savings, no real estate busts literally costing you house and home.

No mass bank failures, no Hurricane Katrina failed responses killing over 1,000 helpless Americans while an inept president congratulates the local FEMA with a, “Great job, Brownie.”

None of it, save small things trumped up large.

Instead, we have record low interest rates, record high stock markets, rising home prices, improving job prospects, lowering public debt, peace at home and servicemen coming home from abroad.

We sadly lost four Americans in Benghazi, and we’ve left Arab states to sort their 3,000-year-long running problems out themselves — while we’re standing by as Russia and their former Ukraine arm wrestle for most corrupt government in Eastern Europe.

Meanwhile, 10 million more Americans have health care, while the rest of us have generally improved benefits and more and more of us are working and are succeeding again.

What a yawn. Boring. Bring out the smelling salts. Things have become so predictable we’ve even got time to argue over carbon pollution.

For an America that prefers cage fighting to “Leave It To Beaver,” Barack Obama plays like a real sleeper. But if you happen to be a more a peaceable type, knowing that tomorrow’s news will be nothing special and getting a good night’s sleep tonight are both pretty good things.

I’ll take a boring newspaper read and an easy doze at the end of a productive day over the trauma of recent past presidencies.

Gary Horton is a Santa Clarita resident. “Full Speed to Port!” appears Wednesdays in The Signal.

 

Comments

BrianBaker: Posted: June 25, 2014 9:12 a.m.

Well, Horton, it may just be that Obama sucks at being Prez. Did'ja ever think of that?

If your thesis was correct, and Bush had the more "exciting" presidency, and Obama's numbers are in the tank because he's more "boring" than Bush, wouldn't Bush have been a very popular Prez?

Yet he was about as unpopular at this point in his presidency as your ObaMessiah is now.

Surprise! Yet ANOTHER epic logic fail by Horton!


OldReliable: Posted: June 25, 2014 9:47 a.m.

Obama is a real sleeper alright... real asleep at the wheel during Benghazi, VA, IRS, Fast & Furious, Solyndra, southern border invasion, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine...........


chefgirl358: Posted: June 25, 2014 11:44 a.m.

Obama is incompetent and is the worst thing ever to happen to this country. I truly truly believe that. I believe that he is the worst president and "leader" that the United States has ever had, and he has us circling the drain. Obamacare is an unmitigated disaster with more to come. My doctors tell me about the absolute horrors they are having in getting paid from insurance companies now, where before Obamacare it was never an issue. They have also told me that even for PPO's, they are going to start networking doctors and you'll be dinged for "going out of network", etc. It's an absolute nightmare for all of us.

That's not even mentioning all of the disasters he's created as previously mentioned above...Benghazi, IRS, Fast & Furious, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine,passing whatever he wants with executive privelege because no one else will - even in his own party, and goodness only knows what else. I only hope he dies of natural causes (sooner than later) so he can never be martyred by the whacky blinded liberals who support him. I cannot fathom how anyone with any modicum of common sense can support him or his policies.


17trillion: Posted: June 25, 2014 11:52 a.m.

"And then the usual blah blah about rising medical rates and keep your doctor, and so much more minor stuff"

Perhaps we should be as wealthy as you are Gary. What an elitist snob.

"There’s a majority of folks over 70 years of age and of primarily white descent who feel as my friend does."

12.8% of the country is 65 or over. I would guess 30$ of those are minorities. Therefore you are basing your statement on approximately 8% of the population driving a pathetic Obama approval rate. You are a partisan stooge of the highest order. Do you fact check before your barf out your nonsense?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Ages

" I really don’t think Obama’s drop in the polls is a racial issue, aside from the 20 percent of Americans of mostly Southern affiliation who’d readily bring back slavery, given half a chance."

You are truly a despicable human being! Go back to writing about your daughter, a subject you at least have a somewhat reasonable knowledge of. Speaking of which, Signal, do we anticipate an end of seeing a picture of Gary's daughter in India or is this a lifetime addition?


17trillion: Posted: June 25, 2014 11:58 a.m.

"lowering public debt"

To most sentient human beings lowering means going from say, 20 to 19. To babbling partisan stooges like Gary it means going from INCREASING the debt by 2 to ONLY increasing it by 1.

"Meanwhile, 10 million more Americans have health care"

Facts, meet Gary's butt. Gary's butt, meat the facts. So now it's 10 million more huh? Even if that weren't a lie, so what? We don't we just give everyone a house and a million dollars and everything will be hunky dory in Gary's Candyland!

Anyone care to guess how badly Gary would be peeing his pants if the R's were in charge and the IRS was investigating George Soros and his ilk? Nope, nothing to see here. Move along Gary. Not a smidgeon....


tech: Posted: June 25, 2014 12:14 p.m.

"And in a shock-jock radio culture, a thoughtful, quiet president, “quietly minding the store” certainly doesn’t amp up the ratings."

Risible. None of those adjectives apply to the current President.

The polls aren't Nielson Ratings. They reflect the President's competence on the job and the direction of the country. Cavalier dismissal amounts to denial.

11/4/14®


17trillion: Posted: June 25, 2014 12:19 p.m.

"Instead, we have record low interest rates, record high stock markets, rising home prices, improving job prospects, lowering public debt"

We have this as well Gary:

"The Commerce Department said on Wednesday gross domestic product fell at a 2.9 percent annual rate, the economy's worst performance in five years, instead of the 1.0 percent pace it had reported last month."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101787838


Yippeee for Obama! I'm wetting myself in contemplation that all is good thanks to Obama. It's too bad you don't have the mental acumen to really understand why having low interest rates is neither a good thing nor something that can be counted on as an accomplishment. People like you are too foolish to understand the correlation between artificially low interest rates, our debt, and the false inflation numbers that are being fed to us. It's all a scam Gary and you're just a fish on the end of the fishing line sucking it up and ASKING to be caught.


projalice11: Posted: June 25, 2014 12:28 p.m.

Hey Gary, not a bad column for having an Uncle (Earl) who is predominantly cynical--

My lovely,intelligent Aunt still asks about Uncle Earl every once is awhile--


therightstuff: Posted: June 25, 2014 12:34 p.m.

Mr. Horton reveals the true heart of the far-left Democrat.

To them, repeatedly lying about a terrorist attack is "predictable"

Lying 37 times to get Obamacare passed is considered "routine"

Lying about a "Red Line" in Syria over chemical weapons is "mundane"

Watching opposing political groups targeted by the IRS is "normal"

Dividing Americans against one another is "par for the course"

It speaks volumes about a person who finds the lawlessness and ineptitude of this administration as just "boring". Thankfully, normal people are outraged and come November, Democrats are going to pay a heavy price.


17trillion: Posted: June 25, 2014 12:37 p.m.

"Hey Gary, not a bad column for having an Uncle (Earl) who is predominantly cynical-- "

You're thinking of Steve Lunetta, not Gary Horton. It's ok though Lois, we understand that things can be a bit confusing for you at times. It's clearly evident when you voice your thoughts and concerns and lack of understand of what "right lane must turn right" means.


therightstuff: Posted: June 25, 2014 12:40 p.m.

If Horton thinks Obama is boring, he hasn't been paying attention. With a new scandal breaking almost daily within his administration, it's never boring.

Inept? Absolutely.
Narcissistic? For sure.
Polarizing? Clearly.
Dishonest? Overwhelmingly.
Hypocritical? Repeatedly.
Out of touch? Obviously.
Over his head? Truly.
Boring? Never.


therightstuff: Posted: June 25, 2014 2:38 p.m.

"""And my friend just happens to be part of the staunch 30 percent of under-70-year-old white guy Republicans who also happen to feel that way."""

Let's compare Horton's racist hogwash with actual numbers using the national averages from Real Clear Politics:

Obama approval rating: 42% approve 54% disapprove (worse than Bush at same time)

Direction of country: 29% right track 63% wrong track

And just for laughs, let's toss in the newest DNC talking point of 10-million Americans now have health care. Even THEY know this is a lie but that has never stopped useless partisans. We know that millions of these same people PREVIOUSLY HAD HEALTH INSURANCE but were forced to sign up for Obamacare when their policies were cancelled. (Something Obama promised 37 times would never happen) Let's look at THESE poll numbers:

Healthcare Law: 39% approve 52% disapprove

Where in the world is Horton getting his bogus numbers that only white, male, Republicans are opposed to his president? Gary Horton is a liar.


projalice11: Posted: June 25, 2014 3:39 p.m.

Hey Gary I still like your column even if you don't have an Uncle Earl--

Gary do you have any intelligent Uncles who would like to meet my lovely Aunt??

Again with the "right lane must turn right"

OMG when will this inane posting stop ?


philellis: Posted: June 25, 2014 4:24 p.m.

We ask ourselves that all the time.


tech: Posted: June 25, 2014 4:28 p.m.

"OMG when will this inane posting stop ?"

You have the power at your fingertips, projalice11. Exercise self-determination.


AlwaysRight: Posted: June 25, 2014 6:22 p.m.

Phil does 7 words! 7! And I am dying laughing. Perfect wording, placement, emphasis. Phil is the Mozart of this blog.


Indy: Posted: June 25, 2014 7:05 p.m.

Gary wrote: Instead, we have record low interest rates, record high stock markets, rising home prices, improving job prospects, lowering public debt, peace at home and servicemen coming home from abroad.

Indy: Puzzling the diehard conservatives here never mention this . . .

In any event, we still get the ACA criticisms but here’s an update on those who didn’t have any insurance and envrolled in the ACA:

80 percent of Obamacare enrollees in New York were previously uninsured
Jun 25, 2014 1:11pm PDT by Joan McCarter
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/25/1309556/-80-percent-of-Obamacare-enrollees-in-New-York-were-previously-nbsp-uninsured?detail=facebook

“One of the more lame answers Republicans had to Obamacare's 8 million enrollees was along the lines of, "Well, yeah, but they probably already had insurance so this didn't make any difference, anyway." That's already been disproved, with the latest Kaiser survey finding that six in 10 of the new enrollees didn't have insurance. That finding just got a big ol' exclamation point from New York state, which reports some very good news.

The report […] shows that more than 80% of the 960,762 people who signed up for coverage through New York’s health care exchange did not have insurance at the time they enrolled. More than half of the enrollees—52%—came from New York City.
And guess what? More than a third of them are those young invincibles, the ones Republicans worked so hard to try to get to boycott getting health insurance. Thirty-four percent of New York's new insurance holders are under 35.”
Indy: 60% of the enrollees ‘had no health insurance’ which was one of the main objectives of the ACA.

But the same conservatives mention to the success of even getting poor Americans health insurance through the Medicaid expansion . . . could this be from their position that helping the poor actually hurts them?

How does denying poor people help them with their security?


Indy: Posted: June 25, 2014 7:20 p.m.

17trillion wrote: "lowering public debt"

To most sentient human beings lowering means going from say, 20 to 19. To babbling partisan stooges like Gary it means going from INCREASING the debt by 2 to ONLY increasing it by 1.

Indy: Interesting site for the accumulation of debt by president:
http://brandongaille.com/us-national-debt-statistics-by-year-and-by-president/
Roosevelt: +$203 billion
Roosevelt/Truman: -$8 billion
Truman: +$13 billion
Eisenhower: +$6 billion
Eisenhower: +$20 billion
Kennedy/Johnson: +$30 billion
Johnson: +$43 billion
Nixon: +$101 billion
Nixon/Ford: +$177 billion
Carter: +$288 billion
Reagan: +$823 billion
Reagan: +$1.05 trillion
Bush Sr: +$1.48 trillion
Clinton: +$1.02 trillion
Clinton: +$401 billion
Bush: $2.13 trillion
Bush: $3.97 trillion
Obama: $6.06 trillion

So let’s do some math with this poster’s handle:

17trillion
Less Bush W: 6 trillion
New Handle 11Trillion
Less Bush Sr: 1.5 trillion
New Handle: 9.5Trillion
Less Regain: 1.8 trillion
New Handle: 7.7Trillion

Interesting, just looking at these three CONSERVATIVE presidents, cut’s more than 9 billion from the poster’s handle . . . so 54% of the poster’s handle of 17Trillion was just from 3 republicans presidents!

As far as Obama’s issue with debt, his 6 trillion has been the result of the collapse economy that he inherited from Bush W who was seeing job losses of more than 750,000 Americans in his last month in office.

And who could forget the loss of more than 50% of the stock market curing Bush W’s administration . . .

In any event, and thankfully for the nation, Obama didn’t play into the ‘austerity’ policy and put the US into another DEPRESSION.

And not the stock market has FULLY recovered!!!

So as Gary noted again: “Instead, we have record low interest rates, record high stock markets, rising home prices, improving job prospects, lowering public debt, peace at home and servicemen coming home from abroad.”


BrianBaker: Posted: June 25, 2014 7:33 p.m.

Puzzling that the ObaManiacs don't mention THIS:

http://news.yahoo.com/us-stocks-little-changed-weak-q1-growth-report-142044786.html;_ylt=AwrSyCSYWqtTnCcA8NbQtDMD

US stocks little changed on weak Q1 growth report

June 25

New York (AFP) - Wall Street stocks moved higher in early trade Wednesday despite a US Commerce Department report which showed first-quarter economic activity contracted much more than previously thought.

US gross domestic product fell at a 2.9 percent annual pace in the first three months of 2014, much worse than the previous estimate of 1.0 percent and the sharpest decline in five years.

___________________________

Being an Obama apologist must be a full-time job.


therightstuff: Posted: June 25, 2014 7:43 p.m.

Here are two statements from the same thread by Democrats:

"""One of the more lame answers Republicans had to Obamacare's 8 million enrollees..."""

"""Meanwhile, 10 million more Americans have health care"""

Soooooo...which statement is the biggest lie? 8-million? 10-million? What difference does it make, right?

But at long last we're finally getting some answers Obama and his minions don't want you to know. It comes from the Kaiser Foundation:

"Fifty-seven percent of the more than 8 million individuals who purchased private coverage through the health law's new insurance marketplaces were uninsured beforehand, according to a new survey from the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, released Thursday."

http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-care/the-mystery-obamacare-enrollment-number-has-a-new-estimate-20140619

Wow...according to the Kaiser Foundation, the number of people who didn't have health care before Obamacare ISN'T EVEN CLOSE to the 10-million or even 8-MILLION 'talking point' that Democrats are spewing.

Why is it so hard for Democrats to just tell the truth?


BrianBaker: Posted: June 25, 2014 9:50 p.m.

Further, TRS, according to some of the data I've read, many of the previously "uninsured" are STILL uninsured, for a variety of reasons, the biggest one being that they still can't AFFORD health insurance.


Indy: Posted: June 25, 2014 10:17 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Here are two statements from the same thread by Democrats:

"""One of the more lame answers Republicans had to Obamacare's 8 million enrollees..."""

"""Meanwhile, 10 million more Americans have health care"""

Soooooo...which statement is the biggest lie? 8-million? 10-million? What difference does it make, right?

Indy: I’m always happy to help the conservatives that have been misled by conservative media outlets:

- 8+ million people signed up for the ACA
- Several more million have signed up for the Medicaid expansion

Therightstuff wrote: But at long last we're finally getting some answers Obama and his minions don't want you to know. It comes from the Kaiser Foundation:

"Fifty-seven percent of the more than 8 million individuals who purchased private coverage through the health law's new insurance marketplaces were uninsured beforehand, according to a new survey from the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, released Thursday."

http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-care/the-mystery-obamacare-enrollment-number-has-a-new-estimate-20140619

Wow...according to the Kaiser Foundation, the number of people who didn't have health care before Obamacare ISN'T EVEN CLOSE to the 10-million or even 8-MILLION 'talking point' that Democrats are spewing. Why is it so hard for Democrats to just tell the truth?

Indy: Since the poster didn’t read my post above . . . shocking, no? In any event:

80 percent of Obamacare enrollees in New York were previously uninsured
Jun 25, 2014 1:11pm PDT by Joan McCarter
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/25/1309556/-80-percent-of-Obamacare-enrollees-in-New-York-were-previously-nbsp-uninsured?detail=facebook

“One of the more lame answers Republicans had to Obamacare's 8 million enrollees was along the lines of, "Well, yeah, but they probably already had insurance so this didn't make any difference, anyway." That's already been disproved, with the latest Kaiser survey finding that six in 10 of the new enrollees didn't have insurance. That finding just got a big ol' exclamation point from New York state, which reports some very good news.”


Indy: Posted: June 25, 2014 10:36 p.m.

BrianBaker wrote: Further, TRS, according to some of the data I've read, many of the previously "uninsured" are STILL uninsured, for a variety of reasons, the biggest one being that they still can't AFFORD health insurance.

Indy: Can’t explain?

Well, let’s do the homework:

From: http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/01/news/economy/medicaid-expansion-states/index.html
States forgo billions by opting out of Medicaid expansion

“As it stands now, an estimated 11.5 million uninsured, non-elderly, poor adults live in states that have opted out, according to research from the Urban Institute.”

Indy: I’m sure republicans this fall can explain to the America people why republican controlled states who opted out of the Medicaid expansion left these poor people hung out to dry . . .


Indy: Posted: June 25, 2014 10:57 p.m.

chefgirl358 wrote: That's not even mentioning all of the disasters he's created as previously mentioned above...Benghazi, IRS, Fast & Furious, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine,passing whatever he wants with executive privelege because no one else will - even in his own party, and goodness only knows what else. I only hope he dies of natural causes (sooner than later) so he can never be martyred by the whacky blinded liberals who support him. I cannot fathom how anyone with any modicum of common sense can support him or his policies.

Indy: The poster demonstrates the power of conservative media to distort recent news events.

Of course the Libya incident is used to discredit Obama who got rid of Kaddafi without any American deaths other than the terrorist attack at a consultant when the nation was in chaos with no formal government.

The IRS issue is one conservatives seem entranced to argue over while doing NOTHING to address any revised rules for the 501C4s that are being used to ‘hide’ donors that distorts our democracy threatening our freedom. Further, republicans cut funding to the IRS forcing them to cut corners that they then cry about.

Remember the republicans in congress voting to reduce the funding to our consultants and embassies? Starting to see a pattern . . . cut government then cry about it’s performance?

And Iran? Obama is negotiating to rid Iran of its ability to build nuclear weapons.

And Syria? Can you say Obama got rid of the chemical weapons without any boots on the ground?

As far as the Ukraine and Iraq goes, this shows the real lack of international competency in dealing with existing cultural and religious groups versus just advocating again for ‘perpetual’ war getting the US into ‘civil conflicts’ that can’t be won.

I think we can agree that the voters chose correctly with Obama . . . even though he continues to support conservative positions regarding drones and ‘free trade’ that ships jobs off shore.

Let’s hope the poster can visit other media sources that aren’t dominated by conservative ideologues where you can actually get the ‘full context’ of our events that include the back story as I’ve noted here.


therightstuff: Posted: June 25, 2014 11:44 p.m.

Indy: """I’m always happy to help the conservatives that have been misled by conservative media outlets:"""

My source is the Kaiser Foundation. The Obama loyalist quotes the Daily Kos. We'll let our "guest readers" determine who is using biased sources.

This shameless Obama wh0re also limited the stats of Obamacare sign-ups to the ultra-blue state the of New York. My source gave a national statistic for every state.

Amazing how the world looks through the ass of Barack Obama.


therightstuff: Posted: June 25, 2014 11:54 p.m.

Indy: """The IRS issue is one conservatives seem entranced to argue over while doing NOTHING to address any revised rules for the 501C4s that are being used to ‘hide’ donors that distorts our democracy threatening our freedom. Further, republicans cut funding to the IRS forcing them to cut corners that they then cry about."""

Translation:

Ignore the fact that the IRS **admitted** targeting groups opposed to the current administration.

Ignore the fact that Lois Lerner has twice pleaded the Fifth Amendment and refuses to testify even though she insists she has done nothing wrong.

Ignore the fact that the IRS promised to deliver Lois Lerner's emails and then reported that they have been mysteriously deleted by a computer crash.

Ignore the fact that the IRS violated the law by not reporting the computer crash that allegedly destroyed the information.

Ignore the fact that Barack Obama appointed an actual political donor to be in charge of the investigation and has said "there is not a smidgeon of corruption in the IRS" before the investigation is completed.

Instead...just blame conservatives and Republicans!

The only difference between Obama wh0res and prostitutes is that prostitutes get paid. Obama suck-ups shamelessly do it for nothing.


tech: Posted: June 26, 2014 12:01 a.m.

Black Knight, you do not disappoint on the entertainment aspect. You're a whirling dervish of Obama apologia!

11/4/14®


projalice11: Posted: June 26, 2014 12:24 a.m.

"OMG when will this inane posting stop ?"


philellis:
Posted: June 25, 2014
1:24 p.m.
"We ask ourselves that all the time." Then do something about--


tech:
Posted: June 25, 2014
1:28 p.m.
Edit Hide / UnHide
"OMG when will this inane posting stop ?"

You have the power at your fingertips, tech -- Exercise self-determination.


projalice11: Posted: June 26, 2014 12:29 a.m.

BINGO to Indy for all of his above post----


projalice11: Posted: June 26, 2014 12:35 a.m.

"Obama is the most boring president ever"

What is boring is all the cynical, hateful and negative post that say Obama did this and Obama did that-- BORING, BORING, BORING and BORING AGAIN


projalice11: Posted: June 26, 2014 12:53 a.m.

To change the subject as most of the posters do:

"This is ridiculous: Speaker Boehner has caved in to pressure from his extreme, Right wing caucus and will be using taxpayer dollars to SUE President Obama!"

"He is willing to waste our taxpayer dollars on a frivolous lawsuit, after consistently preaching about how Republicans don't like to waste taxpayer money!"

Now this is truly laughable --


BrianBaker: Posted: June 26, 2014 1:13 a.m.

Indy "responds" with the usual bullpuckey.

I notice, Captain Irrelevant, that you didn't "respond" to the economic data report I posted about the economic collapse that's taking place all around our collective heads. Let me refresh your selective memory glands:

Puzzling that the ObaManiacs don't mention THIS:

http://news.yahoo.com/us-stocks-little-changed-weak-q1-growth-report-142044786.html;_ylt=AwrSyCSYWqtTnCcA8NbQtDMD

US stocks little changed on weak Q1 growth report

June 25

New York (AFP) - Wall Street stocks moved higher in early trade Wednesday despite a US Commerce Department report which showed first-quarter economic activity contracted much more than previously thought.

US gross domestic product fell at a 2.9 percent annual pace in the first three months of 2014, much worse than the previous estimate of 1.0 percent and the sharpest decline in five years.

________________________________

Care to respond THIS time, Mr. "I'm Going To Post More Boring Nonsense"?



therightstuff: Posted: June 26, 2014 1:42 a.m.

"""What is boring is all the cynical, hateful and negative post that say Obama did this and Obama did that-- BORING, BORING, BORING and BORING AGAIN"""

OMG when will this inane posting stop?


tech: Posted: June 26, 2014 2:09 a.m.

Regarding PPACA (Obamacare):

ObamaCare Employer Mandate: A List Of Cuts To Work Hours, Jobs

http://news.investors.com/politics-obamacare/062414-669013-obamacare-employer-mandate-a-list-of-cuts-to-work-hours-jobs.htm#ixzz35irQQVjE

Note the sourced list includes public and private entities.


ricketzz: Posted: June 26, 2014 9:11 a.m.

The Syria Red Line was negated by an act of Congress. Obama was told not to attack by Congress. The Syria Red Line is a red herring.

If there is not enough work for everybody what is wrong with more people working part time?


chefgirl358: Posted: June 26, 2014 11:07 a.m.

Indy, do you have a mouse in your pocket???

You said, "I think we can agree that the voters chose correctly with Obama . . . even though he continues to support conservative positions regarding drones and ‘free trade’ that ships jobs off shore."

I don't know who you think "WE" is, but it sure as hell doesn't include me. I will never believe that anyone made a good choice in voting for Obama, I think he is a disaster. I truly truly believe that he is literally THE worst thing that has ever happened to the United States of America. I believe that he has put the USA on a course to absolute financial ruin, terrorist attacks, environmental damage that will very quickly be irreversable (due to Large scale solar/wind/etc. projects), and of course, the worst of the worst things...Obamacare. I believe Obamacare to be the largest singlehanded manmade financial and bureaucratic disaster ever to occur in this nation. I think he is an evil evil man and truly unamerican in every possible way. America is great in large part due to our capitalist society, so for us to get stuck with the biggest loser president of all time who is as opposed to capitalism as a fat kid to a diet, is pretty much the worst thing ever to happen to our nation in terms of economy, policies, etc.


17trillion: Posted: June 26, 2014 11:14 a.m.

"""What is boring is all the cynical, hateful and negative post that say Obama did this and Obama did that-- BORING, BORING, BORING and BORING AGAIN"""

OMG when will this inane posting stop?"


Good one TRS!

The Bingo lady just puts her hands on her ears and yells, nah, nah, nah, really loud to drown out any chance of learning something.


BrianBaker: Posted: June 26, 2014 2:51 p.m.

ricketzz: "If there is not enough work for everybody what is wrong with more people working part time?"


Gooooooooood grief.... Where to start?

Dude, how's anyone going to get a house or a car or even a TV if the only work they can find is "part time"?

This reminds me of the Carter era, except on steroids. Engineers working as burger-flippers. Like that.

Oh, but I forgot.... According to Pelosi, this "frees" everyone up to be poets or song-writers or whatever other loony nonsense flew through her pea-brain.

This country wasn't built on "part-time work", bubba. It sure as hell could be DESTROYED by that kind of economy, though.


tech: Posted: June 26, 2014 3:58 p.m.

"If there is not enough work for everybody what is wrong with more people working part time?" - ricketzz

Begs the question, ricketzz.

The real issue is that the Federal government shouldn't design and implement programs like Obamacare that feature perverse incentives to reduce full time employment.

When you increase the cost of something, you get less of it. In this instance, it's hours per employee.


Indy: Posted: June 26, 2014 4:34 p.m.

chefgirl358,

I understand that you personally don’t like Obama . . . and pretty much did a good recap of what I call Fox talking points that is pounded into their watchers every day.

But what has the GOP done over the last 8 years?

Obama put into play the ACA which is modeled after Romneycare that was developed by the conservative Heritage Foundation.

The terrorist attacks on the US have not been anywhere close to those under the Bush Administration.

We know that fossil fuels are limited (nothing the US has only 3% of the world’s proven oil reserves) yet you insist that going to renewables is wrong?

I do understand that the conservatives here recite the Obama disdain daily but please, allow others to have opinions as well . . . even if they have ‘mice in their pockets’!

In any event, capitalism is failing . . . as witnessed by wealth concentration.

Globalization today is only benefiting the very wealthy as the stock market has shown (noting that only 10-20% of the public own 80-90% of the stock) but average working folks have seen their wages stagnate over the last 30 years. Is the majority of the public ‘lazy’?

In any event, by your rhetoric, you’ve become a non-participant in the political process that seeks to protect our freedoms, insure long term opportunity for working Americans, and providing a vision that protects US security that includes understanding why the economic unrest has become so prevalent globally.

Sustainable growth addresses all of the issues of freedom, opportunity and security . . . yet you stay focused on one person?

You really need to see the bigger picture here . . .


Indy: Posted: June 26, 2014 4:35 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """I’m always happy to help the conservatives that have been misled by conservative media outlets:"""

My source is the Kaiser Foundation. The Obama loyalist quotes the Daily Kos. We'll let our "guest readers" determine who is using biased sources.

Indy: Let me help you a third time:

80 percent of Obamacare enrollees in New York were previously uninsured
Jun 25, 2014 1:11pm PDT by Joan McCarter
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/25/1309556/-80-percent-of-Obamacare-enrollees-in-New-York-were-previously-nbsp-uninsured?detail=facebook

“One of the more lame answers Republicans had to Obamacare's 8 million enrollees was along the lines of, "Well, yeah, but they probably already had insurance so this didn't make any difference, anyway." That's already been disproved, with the latest Kaiser survey finding that six in 10 of the new enrollees didn't have insurance. That finding just got a big ol' exclamation point from New York state, which reports some very good news.”


Indy: Posted: June 26, 2014 4:40 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Instead...just blame conservatives and Republicans!

Indy: Again:

Why hasn’t the House come up with new 501C4 regulations to improve the ability to spot organizations that are acting as ‘front groups’ to hide donor money and identity from either party?

Why do republicans in congress ‘defund’ the IRS when they need more agents for this type of investigations to protect US democracy from those folks that would threaten our nation’s security by corrupting our political process?

Why do republicans likewise cut funding that keeps many of our nation’s government organizations from updating their computer systems?


Indy: Posted: June 26, 2014 4:45 p.m.

BrianBaker wrote: US stocks little changed on weak Q1 growth report.

Indy: I wonder why conservatives aren’t taking a longer view and understanding why aggregate economic growth hides the ‘wealth concentration’ occurring in the America.

How can the top 1% see their incomes almost triple in the last 30 years while the majority of Americans see their wages stagnated?

How does this improve the opportunity for the vast majority of American workers?

Why does all productivity gains from the workforce only go to the ‘owners of capital’?

And why do conservatives ignores the consequences of global overpopulation that is creating the global unrest and putting downward pressure on US wages?


Indy: Posted: June 26, 2014 4:49 p.m.

17trillion,

Let’s revisit the debt accumulation in the US:

Indy: Interesting site for the accumulation of debt by president:

http://brandongaille.com/us-national-debt-statistics-by-year-and-by-president/

Roosevelt: +$203 billion
Roosevelt/Truman: -$8 billion
Truman: +$13 billion
Eisenhower: +$6 billion
Eisenhower: +$20 billion
Kennedy/Johnson: +$30 billion
Johnson: +$43 billion
Nixon: +$101 billion
Nixon/Ford: +$177 billion
Carter: +$288 billion
Reagan: +$823 billion
Reagan: +$1.05 trillion
Bush Sr: +$1.48 trillion
Clinton: +$1.02 trillion
Clinton: +$401 billion
Bush: $2.13 trillion
Bush: $3.97 trillion
Obama: $6.06 trillion

How did you arrive at the 17Trillion handle that includes all debt from presidents of both parties?

When Clinton was running surpluses during his last two years, why did Bush cut taxes for the upper incomes and immediately started running deficits again that ended up 'doubling' the national debt?

And why did Bush W finance two wars with 'debt'?


17trillion: Posted: June 26, 2014 5:09 p.m.

"And why did Bush W finance two wars with 'debt'?"

I'm not defending Bush. I thought he was a lousy president too. I did not vote for him in 04. The better question is, why don't you love the guy? He's just like Obama as far as I'm concerned with the exception of Iraq. In every other way he's in lock step with the president.

"But what has the GOP done over the last 8 years? "

Other than putting the brakes on Obama's radical agenda, they've done nothing. If you would like I can give you a primer on how our system of government works. Basically, the party in charge of 1/2 the legislative branch cannot do much. These are things I would have thought a scholarly guy like you would know about. Perhaps your expertise ends at simple chemistry?


Indy: Posted: June 26, 2014 5:10 p.m.

Tech wrote: "If there is not enough work for everybody what is wrong with more people working part time?" - ricketzz

Begs the question, ricketzz.

The real issue is that the Federal government shouldn't design and implement programs like Obamacare that feature perverse incentives to reduce full time employment.

Indy: The real issue is why wealth is concentrating in the US.

And why wages are falling for people who actually ‘work for a living’ but find themselves victims of the ‘market forces’ that drive wages down from the global oversupply of labor relative to limited resources.

I can understand why you can’t visual that since you’ve staked your future on libertarian market fundamentalism that ignores population growth relative to resources.

You also can’t grasp the ‘income advantages’ that wealth provides in a severely deregulated ‘free market’.

But in summary, libertarians are arguing that paying over the minimum wages reduces employment as if that is now a ‘wage ceiling’ for the masses that simply can’t survive on that wage.

Likewise, arguing that Americans can’t afford health care using the same wage issue shows the moral corruptness of libertarianism.

It’s the primary reason I attend conservative dominated forums to help the guest readers get beyond the ‘pat on the back’ strategy of fellow conservatives and actually see the economic drivers that are really in play.

I do, however like the unions in Germany that have implemented working hour cutbacks for ‘all’ workers so that when the economy slows and it will naturally in capitalism (I can explain that for you if you wish), some workers don’t get laid off with ZERO income and require government ‘safety net’ assistance while the remainders carry on unaffected.

We may very well see a 32 hour workweek in America if persistent unemployment continues.


17trillion: Posted: June 26, 2014 5:26 p.m.

Can any liberal answer a question for me? I'm serious!

Besides the Iraq war, which I totally understand being against, what specifically are the Presidential qualities and policies of Bush do you dislike?


BrianBaker: Posted: June 26, 2014 5:57 p.m.

That's it, Captain Irrelevant?

The economy's crumbling to the ground around your ObaMessaih's ears, and you babble some inane drivel about the "top 1%"?

Bubba, even your indescribably lame focus-group-tested talking points, which come straight from the pages of HuffPo and MoveOn, have reached a new low of abject irrelevance and inanity.

You definitely need a new script.


chefgirl358: Posted: June 26, 2014 7:28 p.m.

Indy, you are certainly entitled to your opinions, and I to mine...we just both end up thinking the other is drinking the Kool-Aid.

You think I can't think for myself and just watch Fox (which I rarely ever do) and I just straight up disagree with your talking points and opinions on Obama and the issues related to him.

In other words...we'll have to agree to disagree. But I hope you have a nice day anyway:)


tech: Posted: June 26, 2014 8:52 p.m.

Indy: The real issue is why wealth is concentrating in the US.

We've played this game before, Indy. It's also concentrating in OECD nations, including the social democracies you wish we'd emulate.

We get it. Others have more wealth than you and you want to use government to redistribute it.

I'm not going to participate in your attempt to twist every topic to your obsession.


therightstuff: Posted: June 26, 2014 9:35 p.m.

Indy: """Why hasn’t the House come up with new 501C4 regulations to improve the ability to spot organizations that are acting as ‘front groups’ to hide donor money and identity from either party?"""

Why don't we start with enforcing the laws that are already on the books? The IRS has already ***admitted*** targeting groups opposed to the Obama administration. Yesterday we learned the IRS violated the law by not reporting their 'alleged' computer crash that erased thousands of emails between Lois Lerner and other government agencies.

Sadly, the Attorney General of the United States has pimped himself out to just be Obama's private attorney instead of investigating the violations of the law by the IRS against the American people.

Again: You need to get your nose out of Obama's ass and see what's happening all around you.


ricketzz: Posted: June 27, 2014 10:01 a.m.

Sadly TRS uses terms like "pimped himself out" when describing the current Attorney General. Did he use urban slang to describe General Gonzalez's Unconstitutional gambits, as well? What derogatory term did he apply to Ashcroft, who put a drape over a classical statue of Justice because she has exposed brass boobs, and some photographer caught a boob in focus with the General at the same time? Or does he just whip out the street talk for the darkies?


therightstuff: Posted: June 27, 2014 10:40 a.m.

"""Or does he just whip out the street talk for the darkies?"""

"Darkies" ricketzz? Do you refer to white people as "whities"? I'm so sad.

But to all the pimps out there, I apologize for comparing you to our current Attorney General.


CaptGene: Posted: June 27, 2014 1:52 p.m.

To assume that all pimps are black is as racist as it gets, at least now we know where cricketzz is coming from.


projalice11: Posted: June 27, 2014 3:34 p.m.

Can't let this one go about Boehner suing the President for signing executive orders..

*George W. Bush SIGNED 291
*Reagan signed 200
*Obama signed 168


therightstuff: Posted: June 27, 2014 7:14 p.m.

"""Can't let this one go about Boehner suing the President for signing executive orders..."""

And how many of those Executive Orders arbitrarily changed existing laws without Congress?

How many past presidents arrogantly boasted, "I have a pen and I have a phone. That's all I need!" thus REFUSING to govern by reaching out to the other party?

Funny how you're only too anxious to "let go" the fact that four American's were murdered by a terrorist attack in Benghazi and then covered up with lies about a video. Your priorities are totally screwy.


tech: Posted: June 27, 2014 8:54 p.m.

Supreme Court Rules Unanimously Against Obama for 12th and 13th Time Since 2012
By John Fund
June 26, 2014 11:50 AM

Did you know the Obama administration’s position has been defeated in at least 13 – thirteen — cases before the Supreme Court since January 2012 that were unanimous decisions? It continued its abysmal record before the Supreme Court today with the announcement of two unanimous opinions against arguments the administration had supported. First, the Court rejected the administration’s power grab on recess appointments by making clear it could not decide when the Senate was in recess. Then it unanimously tossed out a law establishing abortion-clinic “buffer zones” against pro-life protests that the Obama administration argued on behalf of before the Court (though the case was led by Massachusetts attorney general Martha Coakley).

The tenure of both President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder has been marked by a dangerous push to legitimize a vast expansion of the power of the federal government that endangers the liberty and freedom of Americans. They have taken such extreme position on key issues that the Court has uncharacteristically slapped them down time and time again. Historically, the Justice Department has won about 70 percent of its cases before the high court. But in each of the last three terms, the Court has ruled against the administration a majority of the time.

So even the liberal justices on the Court, including the two justices appointed by President Barack Obama — Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor — have disagreed with the DOJ’s positions. As George Mason University law professor Ilya Somin told the Washington Times last year, “When the administration loses significant cases in unanimous decisions and cannot even hold the votes of its own appointees . . . it is an indication that they adopted such an extreme position on the scope of federal power that even generally sympathetic judges could not even support it.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/381296/supreme-court-rules-unanimously-against-obama-12th-and-13th-time-2012-john-fund


projalice11: Posted: June 27, 2014 11:25 p.m.

Funny how you're only too anxious to "let go" of over 4,000 Americans who where killed in the Iraq War**

Talk about priorities that are totally screwy.

My wish is for Boehner to continue he bizarre antics >>

What a plus for the Democrats>>


ricketzz: Posted: June 28, 2014 10:01 a.m.

4,480 not counting private contractors.

Not worth another drop of American blood.


therightstuff: Posted: June 28, 2014 12:40 p.m.

So I can only imagine how outraged you both must be at Obama's ineptness to ignore the warnings of ISIS and now see them wiping out the gains that cost so many American lives. On top of that, for Obama to negotiate with terrorists and release their top five generals back into the war against Americans.

No wait...Obama can do no wrong in your eyes. It's only Bush that your movement is allowed to criticize. What a sorry lot.


therightstuff: Posted: June 28, 2014 12:57 p.m.

“When the administration loses significant cases in unanimous decisions and cannot even hold the votes of its own appointees . . . it is an indication that they adopted such an extreme position on the scope of federal power that even generally sympathetic judges could not even support it.”

Let's hope Boehner's lawsuit can limit the damage done by Obama. Holder is supposed to be the top law enforcement officer in the country but he's proven to be nothing more than Obama's personal attorney to watch his back.


Indy: Posted: June 30, 2014 5:32 p.m.

chefgirl358 wrote: Indy, you are certainly entitled to your opinions, and I to mine...we just both end up thinking the other is drinking the Kool-Aid.

You think I can't think for myself and just watch Fox (which I rarely ever do) and I just straight up disagree with your talking points and opinions on Obama and the issues related to him.

In other words...we'll have to agree to disagree. But I hope you have a nice day anyway:)

Indy: Appreciate the response but I would encourage you to ‘debate’ the issues beyond just recitals of policy points.

As far as Fox goes, they are experts at focusing their ideology beliefs by ‘framing’ the news so their ‘watchers’ get the maximum benefit of the highly paid marketing firms that creates their talking points and slogans.

But a debating forum is more than just ‘disagreeing’. It’s in the process of that disagreement where knowledge floats to the surface . . .


therightstuff: Posted: June 30, 2014 10:32 p.m.

Indy: """Appreciate the response but I would encourage you to ‘debate’ the issues beyond just recitals of policy points."""

Why is it that the far-left fringe never practices what they demand of others?


tech: Posted: June 30, 2014 11:44 p.m.

"But a debating forum is more than just ‘disagreeing’. It’s in the process of that disagreement where knowledge floats to the surface . . . " - Indy

How profound. Something assuredly floats to the surface in your voluminous posts, Indy. Flushing them is a quotidian task. :-D


ricketzz: Posted: July 1, 2014 10:01 a.m.

Not all 9-0 votes are "unanimous". A duty of the President is to protect executive powers and to use them. If you think he goes too far quit renewing the AUMF. We renew his dictatorial powers every New Years Eve. Then we party.


tech: Posted: July 1, 2014 12:03 p.m.

"Historically, the Justice Department has won about 70 percent of its cases before the high court. But in each of the last three terms, the Court has ruled against the administration a majority of the time."

Parse it however you like, ricketzz. It amounts to a stunning record of defeat before the Supreme Court.


ricketzz: Posted: July 2, 2014 9:30 a.m.

Justices can dissent on legal points and still agree with the outcome. You speak like the court isn't as corrupt (at least) as the rest of government, ignoring that several seated justices openly pal around with fascists. If the Congress wasn't equally corrupt we could impeach Scalia and Thomas, put the fear of The People in Alito and the rest.

Congress can tell the Court what do do. It is in Article 3.


tech: Posted: July 2, 2014 7:51 p.m.

Congress can't enact and enforce laws that are ruled unconstitutional. See: Separation of powers. It's a bulwark against a corrupt government shafting the citizens.


ricketzz: Posted: July 4, 2014 10:09 a.m.

Nobody has ever tried. The Supreme Court has no enforcement mechanism. Section 1 clearly gives Congress more power than the Executive and the Judiciary. "Co-equal" branches is a fantasy of revisionists. The Congress can over-ride a veto and they should be able to over-ride the Court if they get too political.

"The Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make."

- See more at: http://www.thomhartmann.com/bigpicture/thom-hartmann-important-newt-right-about-supreme-court#sthash.Q31rx5Bv.dpuf


Indy: Posted: July 7, 2014 6:10 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: """Appreciate the response but I would encourage you to ‘debate’ the issues beyond just recitals of policy points."""

Why is it that the far-left fringe never practices what they demand of others?

Indy: Did you finish high school? Any college?

You make nonsensical statements that ignore the reality and try to defend your conservative ideology positions that fail to create any solutions.

You also assume that anyone that’s independent is ‘far left’?

Dude, you’re so far right that anyone in the middle looks ‘far left’!


Indy: Posted: July 7, 2014 6:15 p.m.

Tech wrote: "But a debating forum is more than just ‘disagreeing’. It’s in the process of that disagreement where knowledge floats to the surface . . . " - Indy

How profound. Something assuredly floats to the surface in your voluminous posts, Indy. Flushing them is a quotidian task. :-D

Indy: What, no grammar critique? You’re slipping up . . .

In any event, it would be helpful to know your education background.

You’ve got the vocabulary and grammar down pat . . . but we need to work on your understanding of basic economics, engineering, business, and management.

And I’m here to help you!


tech: Posted: July 8, 2014 11:45 p.m.

Help yourself, Indy. I don't retain the services of incompetents.



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