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Rick Jensen: Conservative ideas are gaining more support

Posted: January 27, 2014 2:00 a.m.
Updated: January 27, 2014 2:00 a.m.
 

Why do people like Rev. Jeremiah Wright travel across America to exhort audiences to denigrate tea party Americans as racist?

Because failing to personally discredit your fellow man with false witness means people might actually listen to his reasoned policies and thus disagree with yours.

Recently in Wilmington, Delaware, the Reverend called the tea party a “lynch mob” wanting to get “that black man out of their White House.” Sadly, many in the audience reportedly cheered at this divisive slander.

This, despite the fact that tea parties across America supported 38 black Republican candidates for Congress in 2010, and nine won House primaries in 2012.

There are at least a dozen tea party organizations in America with African-American leadership, including the Conservative Campaign Committee, whose “About” page shows a number of people working for the Chairman, Lloyd Marcus, who don’t exactly look like him.

It must be difficult for those tea party “racists” to be forced by some unseen power to choose such a boss. Perhaps they have more in common than outward differences.

Fortunately, some conservative considerations are slipping into the American consciousness despite these disparages, such as the failure of gun buybacks.

Some Democrats still promote gun buybacks with taxpayer dollars as “doing something” about violence, even though studies by universities, newspapers and police departments prove gun buybacks do not reduce any number of crimes or suicides involving guns.

Researchers have found that targeted police patrols and intervention with known criminals is effective, not gun buybacks. 

Watch and read the news over the near future and I believe you’ll start seeing more positive results with police departments targeting specific neighborhoods based on applying 911 calls research to deploy teams to troubled areas in advance of the next crime to prevent crime.

Unfortunately, those tactics aren’t as photogenic as a politician standing next to a pile of old, beat-up guns. That makes for great campaign literature as long as the recipient isn’t aware of the real truth that the only person who benefits from this propaganda is the politician.

The buybacks are actually dangerous because they give uninformed people the false impression that streets are safer after the buybacks.

Another conservative idea that must be crushed using the politics of personal destruction is that increases in the federal mandated minimum wage actually cause more unemployment, especially among black teenagers.

Research based on the federal U.S. Census and nonpartisan federal Bureau of Labor Statistics shows an increase in minimum wage unemployment every time the federal government mandates an increase.

For those who do earn the minimum wage, about half are ages 25 or younger.

Teens are the big majority of minimum wage earners.

Inner city teens have the toughest time finding part-time work.

In 2009, Democrats raised the minimum wage from $6.55 to $7.15. Teen unemployment during this recession went from 20 percent in 2008 to 27.6 percent the year the minimum wage was increased.

Black teen unemployment climbed to 49 percent. Black teen male unemployment exploded to a staggering 52.2 percent from an already high 30 percent in late 2008, a year into the recession.

It would be nice if raising the minimum wage helped minimum wage earners, but it doesn’t.

Why would anyone in Congress want to cause this much pain to city teens? Why put these kids onto the streets?Because “fighting” for an increase in the minimum wage gives the “appearance” of caring.

These facts are damaging to liberal policies, so conservatives must be stopped. Senator Tim Scott, South Carolina’s first black senator since Reconstruction, is such a target.

North Carolina NAACP Chapter President Reverend William Barber celebrated Martin Luther King Jr. Day by calling fiscally conservative and tea party American Tim Scott a puppet, saying, “A ventriloquist can always find a good dummy.” 

This insult presumes that any black man who disagrees with the liberal leaders can’t think for himself.

Senator Scott schooled his haters with a thoughtful statement: “I will honor the memory of Dr. King by being proactive in holding the door for others and serving my fellow man. And Rev. Barber will remind me and others of what not to do.”

We could all learn from Senator Scott’s tempered response.

© Copyright 2014 Rick Jensen. Distributed exclusively by Cagle Cartoons newspaper syndicate. Jensen a conservative talk show host and can be reached at rick@wdel.com.

Comments

ricketzz: Posted: January 27, 2014 6:47 a.m.

Technologist wrote "The first rule of holes is that when you are in one you stop digging".

If the GOP wants to make things better with black America they need to stop voting against the poor. Their problem with black Americans is also their problem with poor Americans; they don't care. They give the impression the best thing the poor can do is "die quickly", and their complete inability to empathise proves it.


OldReliable: Posted: January 27, 2014 8:28 a.m.

Ricketzzz has this reversed...


technologist: Posted: January 27, 2014 8:52 a.m.

Not to interrupt your digging, but I thought it polite to point out you're in a hole, ricketzz.

Slandering your fellow citizens with falsehoods in the guise of advice isn't rational. Quoting Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) as an accurate depiction of GOP policy is risible.


therightstuff: Posted: January 27, 2014 9:16 a.m.

I hope that Republicans will take notice that conservative ideas are gaining ground. When they stay true to their roots, they win. When the abandon their values to try to be more moderate, they lose.

Big tents are for circus clowns.


chico: Posted: January 27, 2014 9:31 a.m.

I would have thought Governor Scott Walker and the economic turnaround in Wisconsin would have been a better example of conservative ascendency than guns and race.

Besides, Conservatives already have guns and race issues locked up, right?

Walker won elections, then put in place an agenda that has turned a state around. He punked liberals and union in their own crib, Wisconsin.

Yeah, I guess the op-ed has legitimate points. But there's better examples out there where people are realizing the benefits of conservatism.

Where are people realizing the benefits of liberalism? Washington DC of course. One of the wealthiest places in the country.

In Wisconsin they milk cows, in DC they milk taxpayers.


technologist: Posted: January 27, 2014 10:53 a.m.

Wisconsin is an excellent example of prudent fiscal management executed by Gov. Walker, chico. Even former opponents are realizing benefits. Alternatively, Detroit provides the inevitable conclusion of "liberal governance".


JohnnyCash: Posted: January 28, 2014 10:05 p.m.

"If the GOP wants to make things better with black America they need to stop voting against the poor. Their problem with black Americans is also their problem with poor Americans; they don't care. They give the impression the best thing the poor can do is "die quickly", and their complete inability to empathise proves it."

That's why we force the poor into horrible schools and all but eliminate their opportunities to buck poverty. Rich and white? Sign 'em up for the finest institutions. Black and poor? Yeah right...go take your seat in the back of the bus and stay there.


Indy: Posted: January 29, 2014 5:51 p.m.

Op-ed writer: It would be nice if raising the minimum wage helped minimum wage earners, but it doesn’t.


Indy: I’ve heard this from conservative for decades. It sort of fits into the conservative ideology based on religion where if you ‘help’ someone, you’re actually hurting them. We saw some of this in the Hegg columns where he encourages the poor to be ‘virtuous’ and anyone using government safety nets (aka entitlements) is ‘taking’ from those who do work.

Unfortunately, the ideology of conservatives fails to address the underlying economic factors in play.

And it’s one reason that wealth in America is concentration through ‘income’ as the ‘owners of capital’ (think business people, stockholders) are able to capture the ‘wage’ differentials through falling wage rates due to the oversupply of workers in the US.

Part of this oversupply is from globalization that off shoring US jobs leaving those folks displaced into a labor market that is expanding while business grows less due to resource constraints.

In any event, one of the primary drivers that encourage conservative thought on the minimum wage is paying workers more money at this level ‘lowers’ profits. So it’s understandable that organizations that businesses support like the Chamber of Commerce are quick to publish the statistics that are presented by the Op-ed writer.

To a degree, you do get what you pay for if you will in that if you pay say $5/hr, you get somebody with lower productivity if you pay them $10/hr. So raising the minimum wage doesn’t address this issue.

So workers that are getting less dollars per hour may indeed be let go since the higher minimum wage no longer works for them. If there wasn’t an oversupply of labor depressing wages, then this position would hold more water if you will. But that’s not the case today.

The average minimum wage earner today is in their 20s not their teens. Business, everything else being equal, will hire older workers with more experience for the minimum wage versus young people.

Thus raising the minimum wage will displace some lower skilled workers even if those still employed can now have an income that is more supportable than before.

So the tradeoff here is not presented by the Op-ed writer. Nor is the supply of labor issue.

Additionally, why wouldn’t the minimum wage be kept current with inflation? If the wage at say $5/hr years ago would now be $10/hr today, why not provide that consistency from prior years?


Indy: Posted: January 29, 2014 5:52 p.m.

Finally, one of the posters here noted that the education system is failing many kids especially in poor areas. Since our school funding has a component based on property values, in areas where the student teacher ratio should be less, the lack of a property value base is also less thus kids who need more assistance don’t get it.

Anyway, the Op-ed writer gives the conservative position on this issue while not providing any other discussion on educational factors, globalization, and the oversupply of labor relative to resources.

I would suggest that anyone advocating a position be able to present all views such that a proper comparison could be made.

PS – I will go check the BOL statistics . . . would have be nice if the Op-ed writer provided the links so we can check the context of the numbers.


ricketzz: Posted: January 30, 2014 6:34 a.m.

The Koch Brothers are buying Wisconsin and propping up Walker in the process. They are turning Wisconsin into a workers' paradise, like Williston ND (my neighbor just got back, the Bakken is no longer hiring.)

http://expressmilwaukee.com/article-22149-exclusive:-koch-brothers%E2%80%99-dark-money-flowed-into-wisconsin-recall-fight-%7C-news-%7C-shepherd-express-.html


emheilbrun: Posted: January 30, 2014 7:29 a.m.

http://www.creators.com/opinion/walter-williams/collusion-against-our-youth.html

I think the poster known as "Indy" is the only poster with the education and business acumen qualified to comment on the column (link provided) by Mr. Williams, a professor of economics. Thoughts Indy?


therightstuff: Posted: January 30, 2014 10:12 a.m.

Indy: """I’ve heard this from conservative for decades. It sort of fits into the conservative ideology based on religion where if you ‘help’ someone, you’re actually hurting them. We saw some of this in the Hegg columns where he encourages the poor to be ‘virtuous’ and anyone using government safety nets (aka entitlements) is ‘taking’ from those who do work."""

This statement from far-left ideologues and Obama loyalists illustrates the difference between hearing and listening. I'd ask for specific examples of his accusation that people of faith believe "if you help someone, you're actually hurting them" but we all know how this poster bristles and then wilts when asked for evidence. Once again, this is a misquote and misinterpretation of a belief this poster knows nothing about.

Pastor Hegg never said 'anyone' using government entitlements is taking from those who work and this poster knows it. Much like his leader Barack Obama, he will insert statements he knows are not true to advance his attack on anyone who disagrees with his personal ideology.

Without original ideas or critical thinking skills, you're left with misrepresenting your opponent's views and then attacking them as though they actually said it. It's how these kind of posters fade in and out of reality. Sometimes it's funny but usually it's just sad.


Indy: Posted: January 30, 2014 3:37 p.m.

Emheilbrun wrote: http://www.creators.com/opinion/walter-williams/collusion-against-our-youth.html

I think the poster known as "Indy" is the only poster with the education and business acumen qualified to comment on the column (link provided) by Mr. Williams, a professor of economics. Thoughts Indy?

Indy: I’m not surprised that the only time conservatives in general care about the education of minorities is whey the minimum wage issues is discussed. Getting a ‘black’ Op-ed writer no doubt provide the type of ‘racial’ cover needed to blind many to the reality of again, only addressing minority education opportunities when minimum wage is addressed.

The fallacy of this Op-ed is that conservatives just accept the poor education of minorities and thus want the minimum wage to be consistent with their lack of education!

In any event, the minimum wage is a reflection of the oversupply of labor in the US. Owners of capital and stockholders can profit from the downward pressure on wages even if the wage level is too low to live out of poverty.

And while conservatives like to promote their support of funding government on inflation, why don’t they support the indexing of the minimum wage for inflation?

Anyway, I probably am the best poster to address economics have studied it for 30 years including the tie back to my MBA and business experience.

And while many conservatives here like to say that ‘their’ economist are the ‘last word’ on such topics as the minimum wage, it’s important to know that their opinion is far from universally accepted and as we see here with the reference Op-ed, the writer there fails to see the bigger economic picture.

Finally, perhaps the conservatives here can explain to us why in the fall of 2007, the President’s (BUSH 2) Council of Economic Advisors and the Fed were both ‘predicting’ economic ‘growth’ versus the worst recession since the depression . . . that occurred shortly there after.


Indy: Posted: January 30, 2014 3:45 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote:Indy: """I’ve heard this from conservative for decades. It sort of fits into the conservative ideology based on religion where if you ‘help’ someone, you’re actually hurting them. We saw some of this in the Hegg columns where he encourages the poor to be ‘virtuous’ and anyone using government safety nets (aka entitlements) is ‘taking’ from those who do work."""

This statement from far-left ideologues and Obama loyalists illustrates the difference between hearing and listening. I'd ask for specific examples of his accusation that people of faith believe "if you help someone, you're actually hurting them" but we all know how this poster bristles and then wilts when asked for evidence. Once again, this is a misquote and misinterpretation of a belief this poster knows nothing about.

Indy: It’s quite understandably that conservatives that stay mired in their conservative media channels don’t hear the type of support as I noted regarding religious conservatives, that on the House floor, cite religious scripture to cut food stamps to the undeserving Americans that are ‘lazy’.

And we see right here in SCV-land where a religious conservative pastor advocates the that poor should be ‘virtuous’ in their plight and those daring to use government ‘safety nets’ that address the shortcomings and cyclical nature of our economy are just ‘takers’, abusers of entitlements.

Therightstuff wrote: Indy: Pastor Hegg never said 'anyone' using government entitlements is taking from those who work and this poster knows it. Much like his leader Barack Obama, he will insert statements he knows are not true to advance his attack on anyone who disagrees with his personal ideology.

Indy: There the poster ‘doubles down’ on Hegg . . . forgetting that Americans that have previously worked have paid taxes into government for their safety net programs.

And then sadly, the poster reverts rights back to his ideology taking points that have been shown to be false, misleading, and inappropriate . . . and have anything whatsoever to do with basic economics.

Therightstuff wrote: Without original ideas or critical thinking skills, you're left with misrepresenting your opponent's views and then attacking them as though they actually said it. It's how these kind of posters fade in and out of reality. Sometimes it's funny but usually it's just sad.

Indy: This is perhaps the most pathetic statement I’ve read here late . . . but it’s typical of conservatives that don’t understand economics and aren’t even interested in learning or even asking question. Instead, he prefers to listen to a pastor who’s economically illiterate and support conservative principles that end up brutalizing people.

And to make matters worse, they like to ‘stand on principles’ that support this brutalization.

Frightening.


therightstuff: Posted: January 30, 2014 4:56 p.m.

Rather than providing actual *quotes* of what others have said and in proper context, Indy continues to give us *his version* of what he thinks someone else said and passes this off as truth. Of course, left-wing buffoons like Michael Moore and Al Gore have made millions with this kind of schtick to ill-informed and easy to frighten saps. This is the same disgraceful tactic used by Barack Obama to win re-election.

Yes, I think 'frightening' would be the proper word.


emheilbrun: Posted: January 30, 2014 5:15 p.m.

From Indy:"Anyway, I probably am the best poster to address economics have studied it for 30 years including the tie back to my MBA and business experience."

"I’m not surprised that the only time conservatives in general care about the education of minorities is whey the minimum wage issues is discussed. Getting a ‘black’ Op-ed writer no doubt provide the type of ‘racial’ cover needed to blind many to the reality of again, only addressing minority education opportunities when minimum wage is addressed."

Indy, are you implying that Mr. Williams is being used for "racial cover" as you called it? If sounds like you're dismissing his comments based on his race, despite being a professor of economics and having a masters and PhD from UCLA. I don't know, kind of sounds racist to me.

P.S. Do you EVER proof or preview what you write before posting? You might have a MBA, but you write like you got D's in English.


Indy: Posted: January 30, 2014 5:54 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Rather than providing actual *quotes* of what others have said and in proper context, Indy continues to give us *his version* of what he thinks someone else said and passes this off as truth. Of course, left-wing buffoons like Michael Moore and Al Gore have made millions with this kind of schtick to ill-informed and easy to frighten saps. This is the same disgraceful tactic used by Barack Obama to win re-election.

Indy: If anyone wants to watch what conservatives say on the House floor, try C-SPAN. You can also search on UTube . . .

And of course any version of the reality that differs from conservative thought is quick dismissed as ‘his version’. The really sad and pathetic part of this posters response is that he can’t debate the economics of the issue. Thus we’re right back to the same talking point nonsense about ‘Michael Moore and Al’. It’s embarrassing.

And of course, what discussion from a conservative would be complete without dragging Obama into the discussion forgetting that the minimum wage law affects all Americans regardless of party.

But hey, your free to accept this poster’s opinions . . . devoid of facts and economic reality . . . as you would if somebody gave you an opinion as to their favorite color of the car they owned!

In any event, as republicans deny Americans extended unemployment benefits as a result of the over speculation in the financial markets during the Bush 2 administration, you wonder why this poster isn’t advising people how to live in their cars as their savings are dried up since the number of people looking for jobs versus actual jobs existing is 3 to 1.

Or asking a family how to keep their kids in public schools while they live in their care.

And even more pathetic, is that those unemployed who worked prior, did provides taxes directly and indirectly into the unemployment ‘insurance’ system that cushions again, the economic cycles that exist in our economy.

Placing people in such harm for religious ideology based reasons is perhaps the lowest form of humanity that exists on this ‘fixed rock in space’.

But facts don’t matter to a conservative ideologue. These folks stand on their religious conservatism while people suffer in the ‘real world’ as we see from this poster’s economic ignorance.


Indy: Posted: January 30, 2014 5:58 p.m.

Emheilbrun wrote: From Indy:"Anyway, I probably am the best poster to address economics have studied it for 30 years including the tie back to my MBA and business experience."

"I’m not surprised that the only time conservatives in general care about the education of minorities is whey the minimum wage issues is discussed. Getting a ‘black’ Op-ed writer no doubt provide the type of ‘racial’ cover needed to blind many to the reality of again, only addressing minority education opportunities when minimum wage is addressed."

Indy, are you implying that Mr. Williams is being used for "racial cover" as you called it? If sounds like you're dismissing his comments based on his race, despite being a professor of economics and having a masters and PhD from UCLA. I don't know, kind of sounds racist to me.

Indy: I don’t know, what do you think?

And why ignore the reality of the issue of education of the minorities that only become relevant when discussing the minimum wage? Why ignore that as the Op-ed writer does?

And what I find interesting, whenever conservatives discuss minorities, they find one to comment on the topic. Racial cover? Let the guest readers decide.


Emheilbrun wrote: P.S. Do you EVER proof or preview what you write before posting? You might have a MBA, but you write like you got D's in English.

Indy: And of course, when a conservative can’t discuss the merits of the argument we’re right back to grammer . . . what a joke.


emheilbrun: Posted: January 30, 2014 6:21 p.m.

I responded to Indy based on what he posted..I don't know, kind of sounds racist to me.
Indy: I don’t know, what do you think?

From what you wrote, yes Indy, I think you exhibit signs of racism.


therightstuff: Posted: January 30, 2014 6:31 p.m.

Considering your dimwitted arguments and blind loyalty to Barack Obama, I can understand why you're embarrassed, Indy.

When I asked for specific examples of your personal attacks, all you had was "go watch CSPAN"

This is why people laugh at your posts, Indy. If you ever want to be taken seriously, you need to back up your personal attacks with actual proof. These kind of bizarre antics works for MSNBC viewers and Obama loyalists, but normal people actually want to see real evidence.


technologist: Posted: January 30, 2014 6:42 p.m.

Here's how you post an example:

Network president Phil Griffin apologizes to Republican National Committee for tweet suggesting conservatives don’t like biracial families

MSNBC has fired the employee responsible for an “outrageous and unacceptable” tweet that suggested conservatives hate biracial families, network president Phil Griffin said in a statement. He apologized to Republicans who on Thursday announced a boycott of the liberal network.

“The tweet last night was outrageous and unacceptable. We immediately acknowledged it was offensive and wrong, apologized and deleted it,” Griffin said.

“We have dismissed the person responsible for the tweet. I personally apologize to [Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus] and to everyone offended. At MSNBC, we believe in passionate, strong debate about the issues, and we invite voices from all sides to participate. That will never change.”

http://www.thewrap.com/msnbc-fires-staffer-offensive-tweet-rightwing-biracial-griffin-apologizes


emheilbrun: Posted: January 30, 2014 6:52 p.m.

Indy also wrote.."And what I find interesting, whenever conservatives discuss minorities, they find one to comment on the topic."

They find “one“?! My God man, you sound like Archie Bunker.


JohnnyCash: Posted: January 30, 2014 7:39 p.m.

Em: "P.S. Do you EVER proof or preview what you write before posting? You might have a MBA, but you write like you got D's in English."

Imdy: "But hey, your free to accept this poster’s opinions..."

Em, I think "your" giving him too much credit for those English skills...and for having an MBA. Remember, this is the anonymous internet where anyone can claim to be anything.

Were you around when LADIMAS was trying to have us believe she was a dude?


Indy: Posted: January 31, 2014 4:16 p.m.

Emheilbrun wrote: I responded to Indy based on what he posted..I don't know, kind of sounds racist to me.
Indy: I don’t know, what do you think?
From what you wrote, yes Indy, I think you exhibit signs of racism.

Indy: What’s fascinating to me is the effort that religious conservatives both here and nationally try to distance themselves from the racist issue.

For me, republicans have traditionally underfunded public education especially in minority’s areas of the poor. Was that racist or just economic ignorance?

When the conservatives argue against the raising of the minimum wage for minorities, was the use of a ‘black’ economist I’ve never see before ‘staged’ or just coincidence?

Knowing how carefully conservative strategist plan their ‘messaging’, using the black economist give them some cover and as we see here with this poster, the education issue relating to potential earnings went right over the head of the poster who can’t even consider the ‘staging’ of the minimum wage rebuttal using an economist of color.

In any case, the motivation of the economist cited by this poster misses the reality that poor schools giving poor results that creates the idea that you pay them less sadly misses the connection to providing all students of all backgrounds a ‘quality education’.

Further, as we’ve seen here in SCV-land, our republican legislators have consistently underfunded public education even when the enrollment of same was increasing demonstrating economic ignorance no doubt resulting from placing ideology over sound business budgeting.

We can thus let the guest readers decide the racist issue for their own . . .


Indy: Posted: January 31, 2014 4:24 p.m.

Therightstuff wrote: Considering your dimwitted arguments and blind loyalty to Barack Obama, I can understand why you're embarrassed, Indy.

Indy: Dude I just get a big kick out of how you keep coming back to your disdain of the President and assume any debate is based on him . . . but hey, whatever floats your conservative boat!

Therightstuff wrote: When I asked for specific examples of your personal attacks, all you had was "go watch CSPAN"

Indy: Here you go again . . . making it personal when religious conservatives in politics use scripture to without food stamps and apparently, can’t even see the local Op-eds from Hegg that use the same conservative talking points about ‘entitlements’ trying to ‘guilt’ people from using them.

Hegg as long as he stays in his world of religion and helping families with their emotional problems, he can’t do any damage in our politics. But when he enter the political realm demonstrating economic ignorance, it’s my duty to call it out.

Therightstuff wrote: This is why people laugh at your posts, Indy. If you ever want to be taken seriously, you need to back up your personal attacks with actual proof. These kind of bizarre antics works for MSNBC viewers and Obama loyalists, but normal people actually want to see real evidence.

Indy: I guess I’m here laughing at you today when you recite such nonsense as this. But again, if it floats your conservative boat, ship ahoy!


Indy: Posted: January 31, 2014 4:29 p.m.

JohnnyCash wrote: Em, I think "your" giving him too much credit for those English skills...and for having an MBA. Remember, this is the anonymous internet where anyone can claim to be anything.

Indy: And this guy says he’s a teacher . . .

In any event, arguing grammar to hide your economic ignorance is pathetic.

And it’s just good debating practice to note that when one can’t defend one’s positions, then the movement into the nonsense either reciting the often used ‘Obama loyalist’ (my personal favorite by the way) or just ignoring the debate and reciting tire and worn out conservative ideology/talking points that simply doesn’t work.

Come on conservatives, you can do better than that . . . or can you . . .


emheilbrun: Posted: January 31, 2014 7:28 p.m.

Indy the racist wrote: "When the conservatives argue against the raising of the minimum wage for minorities, was the use of a ‘black’ economist I’ve never see before ‘staged’ or just coincidence?"

Wow Indy! You can't even bring yourself to use his name. To you, despite his credentials, Dr. Williams is just a "black" economist. I don't expect you to agree with him, but to dismiss his opinions just because he's black is definitely racist.

Here's his bio...

Dr. Williams has served on the faculty of George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, as John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics, since 1980; from 1995 to 2001, he served as department chairman. He has also served on the faculties of Los Angeles City College, California State University Los Angeles, and Temple University in Philadelphia, and Grove City College, Grove City, Pa.

Dr. Williams is the author of over 150 publications which have appeared in scholarly journals such as Economic Inquiry, American Economic Review, Georgia Law Review, Journal of Labor Economics, Social Science Quarterly, and Cornell Journal of Law and Public Policy and popular publications such as Newsweek, Ideas on Liberty, National Review, Reader's Digest, Cato Journal, and Policy Review. He has authored ten books: America: A Minority Viewpoint, The State Against Blacks, which was later made into the PBS documentary "Good Intentions," All It Takes Is Guts, South Africa's War Against Capitalism, which was later revised for South African publication, Do the Right Thing: The People's Economist Speaks, More Liberty Means Less Government, Liberty vs. the Tyranny of Socialism, Up From The Projects: An Autobiography, and Race and Economics: How Much Can Be Blamed On Discrimination?

He has made scores of radio and television appearances which include "Nightline," "Firing Line," "Face the Nation," Milton Friedman's "Free To Choose," "Crossfire," "MacNeil/Lehrer," "Wall Street Week" and was a regular commentator for "Nightly Business Report." He is also occasional substitute host for the "Rush Limbaugh" show. In addition Dr. Williams writes a nationally syndicated weekly column that is carried by approximately 140 newspapers and several web sites.

Then there's Indy... Part time poster on The Signal website, who despite communicating mostly by the written word, denigrates proper grammar as nonsense preferring to manipulate the English language as he sees fit.

Oh, and by the way... In recent years, George Mason faculty have twice won the Nobel Prize in Economics.

But you can continue to focus on the color of Dr. Williams' skin because that's what racists do.


technologist: Posted: February 1, 2014 9:15 p.m.

I'd better not reference Thomas Sowell either. I don't wish to enable Indy's racism.


JohnnyCash: Posted: February 1, 2014 10:50 p.m.

"Further, as we’ve seen here in SCV-land, our republican legislators have consistently underfunded public education even when the enrollment of same was increasing demonstrating economic ignorance no doubt resulting from placing ideology over sound business budgeting."

Here in SCV-land, our Republican state legislators have no relationship with public school budgets. It is a state's duty to fund the schools, and in case you've been in a coma for a while, our state is dominated by Democrats. They have supermajorities in both the Assembly and Senate, the governor's office, and every other meaningful position in government.

"When the conservatives argue against the raising of the minimum wage for minorities..."

Are you suggesting that conservatives are in favor of raising the minimum for whites only? If you are, show us some evidence.if not, do you at leas have the decency to accept the fact that the conservative view on minimum wage is completely, 100% colorblind?


therightstuff: Posted: February 1, 2014 7:49 a.m.

Indy, though given several opportunities to offer actual proof of your accusations, you continue to just heap on personal insults. This is the very sad pattern we've seen from you. You make an outrageous and unfounded accusation, we ask for proof, you respond only with personal attacks.

And if you think people laughing at your posts is "nonsense", you're even further gone than I thought.


Indy: Posted: February 1, 2014 1:03 p.m.

emheilbrun wrote: Indy the racist wrote: "When the conservatives argue against the raising of the minimum wage for minorities, was the use of a ‘black’ economist I’ve never see before ‘staged’ or just coincidence?"

Wow Indy! You can't even bring yourself to use his name. To you, despite his credentials, Dr. Williams is just a "black" economist. I don't expect you to agree with him, but to dismiss his opinions just because he's black is definitely racist.

Indy: I think you’re politically naive . . .

Likewise, do you think that keeping minority public education underfunded is racist?


Indy: Posted: February 1, 2014 1:06 p.m.

therightstuff wrote: Indy, though given several opportunities to offer actual proof of your accusations, you continue to just heap on personal insults. This is the very sad pattern we've seen from you. You make an outrageous and unfounded accusation, we ask for proof, you respond only with personal attacks. And if you think people laughing at your posts is "nonsense", you're even further gone than I thought.

Indy: All I can suggest to you is read a daily newspaper . . . get away from the conservative ideology media outlets that simply don’t report the news.

I know from your previous post that you've done charity work but isn't it said the GOP denies people compensation even consistent with inflation?

And using scriptue to deny people food stamps?

I think your issue is with the GOP.


Indy: Posted: February 1, 2014 1:10 p.m.

JohnnyCash wrote: "Further, as we’ve seen here in SCV-land, our republican legislators have consistently underfunded public education even when the enrollment of same was increasing demonstrating economic ignorance no doubt resulting from placing ideology over sound business budgeting."

Here in SCV-land, our Republican state legislators have no relationship with public school budgets. It is a state's duty to fund the schools, and in case you've been in a coma for a while, our state is dominated by Democrats.

Indy: I just feel sad for this poster who like other conservatives here can’t look beyond their ideology based media outlets and actually address the issue.

If anyone has been reading the newspapers over the last 20 years or so, when student enrollment in k-12 was increasing, our republican legislators blocked any tax increases to address same since tax increases requires a 2/3s vote and republicans voted in ‘blocks’ to use their 33%+1 minority to stop any tax increases.

In any event, conservative ideology simply falls back to ideology recitals about things like ‘it’s their fault’.

These folks have no honor and sadly put their ideology above the interest of the students.

That’s the burden this poster has to keep on his own . . . and this guy is a teacher.


emheilbrun: Posted: February 1, 2014 1:48 p.m.

From the US Dept of Education, National Center for Education Statistics...

"Nationwide, raw per-pupil spending is similar across racial and ethnic groups. The small differences that do exist favor non-white students. After breaking down the data by region, the non-white funding advantage becomes more pronounced. In the Northeast, for example, blacks receive over $2,000 more than whites in per-pupil funding per year. The region with the smallest differences is the South, where spending on black and Hispanic students is only slightly higher than on whites.

Adjusted for cost of living, the differences narrow. Asian and Hispanic students receive slightly less money than whites overall, while blacks receive slightly more. Regional differences persist after the adjustment, especially in the Northeast."


From Indy: I think you’re politically naive . . .
Likewise, do you think that keeping minority public education underfunded is racist?


Indy, I think you're racist and misinformed. 1) You can't run from your racist comments and, 2) where are you getting you're information from? --edited.


CaptGene: Posted: February 1, 2014 2:02 p.m.

Just like he ignored it when he was caught making up his "several million have already signed up" comment, Indy Nile ignores the factually incorrect statements he has made and proceeds to attack the messenger.

What a sad, pathetic little creature.


ricketzz: Posted: February 2, 2014 7:23 a.m.

Until these alleged "conservatives" stop throwing money away on the Global Empire; using our fighting forces to advance commercial interests of well situated aristocrats; getting involved in regional beefs; they are as phony as the Tea Party.

I like Rand Paul because he calls out the military industrial congressional lobbyist axis of evil. He may be an idiot and a plagiarist, but he does utter an occasional gem of a truth.


Indy: Posted: February 2, 2014 3:13 p.m.

emheilbrunwrote: From Indy: I think you’re politically naive . . .
Likewise, do you think that keeping minority public education underfunded is racist?

Indy, I think you're racist and misinformed. 1) You can't run from your racist comments and, 2) where are you getting you're information from? --edited.

Indy: I look to the ‘actions’ of religious conservatives that have denied proper education funding to minorities schools.

I also note that just like you call people names, religious conservatives have been blaming ‘teachers’ for at 4 decades I’m familiar with yet roll out a ‘black’ economist to support low wages and even threatening to remove the minimum wage

This type of economic ignorance is only brutalizing people yet you stand there and defend it using name calling.

In any event, you are politically naive and economically illiterate.

Calling me names doesn’t remove those facts.


emheilbrun: Posted: February 3, 2014 7:03 a.m.

Indy, you are indeed a piece of work. When the facts don't align with your unfounded assertions, you now claim to look at the "actions" of religious conservatives not the results. OK, I'll play along, cite specific (albeit unsuccessful) actions of religious conservatives attempting to underfund minority schools.

As for the name calling, I can quote your comments that are racist. When your focus turns to the color of Dr. Williams' skin dismissing his commentary because you think he's being used for "racial cover", that's racist.

I challenge you to provide my quotes that lead you to call me politically naive and economically illiterate.

From Indy:"Anyway, I probably am the best poster to address economics have studied it for 30 years including the tie back to my MBA and business experience."

LOL. Arrogant, pompous, boastful, and delusional. You think everyone else has been playing with coloring books and crayons for the last 30 years?


technologist: Posted: February 3, 2014 2:22 p.m.

"You think everyone else has been playing with coloring books and crayons for the last 30 years?"

That's Indy's hope, emheilbrun. He could avoid embarrassment if others lacked expertise and business experience. As the saying goes, in the realm of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Indy's misfortune is we're not blind.


Indy: Posted: February 3, 2014 3:18 p.m.

Emheilbrun wrote: Indy, you are indeed a piece of work. When the facts don't align with your unfounded assertions, you now claim to look at the "actions" of religious conservatives not the results. OK, I'll play along, cite specific (albeit unsuccessful) actions of religious conservatives attempting to underfund minority schools.

Indy: Calling conservative RNC ‘talking points’ facts shows the power of religious conservative ideology.

In any event, the actions of the GOP here in CA and elsewhere simply speak for themselves.

Emheilbrun wrote: As for the name calling, I can quote your comments that are racist. When your focus turns to the color of Dr. Williams' skin dismissing his commentary because you think he's being used for "racial cover", that's racist.

Indy: Here, again, you’re political naive . . . as the GOP uses a ‘black economist’ to support low wages for the poor. But again, this type of conservative strategy works for the true followers of conservatism as your words denote.

Emheilbrun wrote: I challenge you to provide my quotes that lead you to call me politically naive and economically illiterate.

Indy: Again, your comments in this public forum speak for themselves.

Emheilbrun wrote: From Indy:"Anyway, I probably am the best poster to address economics have studied it for 30 years including the tie back to my MBA and business experience."

LOL. Arrogant, pompous, boastful, and delusional. You think everyone else has been playing with coloring books and crayons for the last 30 years?

Indy: Gee, I guess I should just listen to partisan generated ‘focus group tested’ slogans used to gain advantage over low information voters . . . Ok, I see now . . .


Indy: Posted: February 3, 2014 3:29 p.m.

Technologist wrote: That's Indy's hope, emheilbrun. He could avoid embarrassment if others lacked expertise and business experience. As the saying goes, in the realm of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Indy's misfortune is we're not blind.

Indy: While you lack basic knowledge in economics and business, at least you try to be entertaining . . . and with the addition of now of your own slogans, well, you’ve graduated to the highest level of deception such that when you can’t defend your positions, you’ve off in ‘never never land’!

In any event, what was your background again? Your failure to disclose same indicates to me that it doesn’t support your ability to discuss economic and business issues other than reciting conservative libertarian market fundamentalist dogma.

The offer still stands . . . I can help you ‘understand’ what the ‘words’ mean when strung together . . .


CaptGene: Posted: February 3, 2014 6:44 p.m.

What a wuss. When asked challenged on his position, the best Indy Nile can do is say your comments "speak for themselves". What a mealy mouthed coward. In other words, he can't back up what he says with facts...again.

Can you imagine what this weasel must be like in real life?


emheilbrun: Posted: February 3, 2014 6:56 p.m.

Me: OK, I'll play along, cite specific (albeit unsuccessful) actions of religious conservatives attempting to underfund minority schools.

Indy: "In any event, the actions of the GOP here in CA and elsewhere simply speak for themselves."

Translation: Please don't ask me for examples, I just make this stuff up as I go along.

Me: I challenge you to provide my quotes that lead you to call me politically naive and economically illiterate.

Indy: "Again, your comments in this public forum speak for themselves."

Translation: Again, please don't ask me for specific quotes, I just make this stuff up as I go along.

Indy, I have said you are arrogant and racist and now let me add that you are devoid of integrity.


technologist: Posted: February 3, 2014 7:36 p.m.

"In any event, what was your background again?"

My background is I have the knowledge, ability and experience to rebut your repeated assertions on any topic you care to engage in. So do a number of participants here. And we have a clear record of doing so.

Do you get the point yet, Indy? Your purported credentials are worthless if your arguments are defective.


ricketzz: Posted: February 4, 2014 7:02 a.m.

CaptGene uses "wuss" as a put-down. Your Freudian slip is showing.


emheilbrun: Posted: February 4, 2014 7:12 a.m.

ricketzz, what adjectives would you use to describe Indy?


Indy: Posted: February 4, 2014 8:22 a.m.

technologist wrote: "In any event, what was your background again?"

My background is I have the knowledge, ability and experience to rebut your repeated assertions on any topic you care to engage in. So do a number of participants here. And we have a clear record of doing so. Do you get the point yet, Indy? Your purported credentials are worthless if your arguments are defective.

Indy: I still don’t understand why you hide your educational degrees . . . again, I can only assume that weakens one’s perspective on the business and economic issues facing us as your posts indicate.


Indy: Posted: February 4, 2014 8:25 a.m.

emheilbrun wrote: Me: OK, I'll play along, cite specific (albeit unsuccessful) actions of religious conservatives attempting to underfund minority schools.

Indy: "In any event, the actions of the GOP here in CA and elsewhere simply speak for themselves."

Translation: Please don't ask me for examples, I just make this stuff up as I go along.

Indy: The poster again demonstrates that conservatives simply ignore the reality around them.

As I’ve stated several times, our local conservative legislators voted down additional dollars for education when the student enrollment was increasing by as much as 100,000 net new students.

Yet, when given this example, I get this type of remark: “Please don't ask me for examples, I just make this stuff up as I go along.”

I guess at the end of the day conservatives here simply can’t bring themselves to ‘see’ the actions of those they vote for and support.

I wish I could help them . . . but sadly, their locked in ideology is being ‘paid for’ by the students in poorly funded schools while we get more libertarian recitals. Sad.


CaptGene: Posted: February 4, 2014 9:20 a.m.

When did "wuss" stop being a put-down? Perhaps in ricketzzville being a wuss is a good thing. Who knows.


emheilbrun: Posted: February 4, 2014 12:41 p.m.

Indy, you are no doubt familiar with Gov Brown's Local Control Funding Formula that is expected to play a key role in increasing per pupil spending...

From a Daily News article on 7/26/13:
"A little-known fact: Brown's Local Control Funding Formula played surprisingly well among Republicans. (It passed with Republican majorities in both chambers.)

Legislatively, it has been surprisingly popular. The funding model was approved by not only a majority of Democrats in both the state Senate and Assembly, but of Republicans, who relish the return of local control.

"The current system was collapsing and had no defenders," said Kirst, a professor emeritus at Stanford who is widely considered the father of the state's brand-new formula."

I'm sorry, what was that you were saying about the reality around them (conservatives)?

You know, most engineers I know are detail oriented individuals (almost to a fault). I guess there are exceptions to every rule.


CaptGene: Posted: February 4, 2014 1:06 p.m.

Wait a minute emheilbrun, are you sure Kirst isn't black? You know how Indy Nile discounts anything that a black person has to say.


emheilbrun: Posted: February 4, 2014 1:35 p.m.

I just checked. He's bald.


technologist: Posted: February 4, 2014 2:58 p.m.

Indy: "I still don’t understand why you hide your educational degrees . . . again, I can only assume that weakens one’s perspective on the business and economic issues facing us as your posts indicate."

If that's the case, how can you explain the ongoing successful rebuttal of your arguments by myself and others? In this forum, only construction and successful defense/critique of cogent arguments determine merit. As an ideologue that continually posts non-original content while projecting same on others, surely you're aware of how your intellectual prowess is rated by fellow participants.

On the internet, you could claim to be the Ambassador from Burkina Faso. How do you suppose your credentials could be authenticated? What value would such an appeal to authority be if you only offer defective reasoning and research?

Your constant pleadings on the topic are as absurd as your postings.


ricketzz: Posted: February 5, 2014 7:07 a.m.

Unseen, prolific. repetitive, obstinate.

"Wuss" is "wimp" and "pussy" in a new contraction.


CaptGene: Posted: February 5, 2014 8:16 a.m.

Where exactly did that definition come from? I was unable to find any definition that included any of the words you used.

Even if the words you posted were synonymous with "wuss" (they're not), how does it explain why "wuss" is somehow not a put-down?

Just curious, how many shovels do you go through in a month?


technologist: Posted: February 5, 2014 7:53 p.m.

wuss |wo͝os| noun informal
a weak or ineffectual person (often used as a general term of abuse).

Proactively for the remedial ricketzz:

shovel |ˈSHəvəl| noun
a tool with a broad flat blade and typically upturned sides, used for moving coal, earth, snow or other material.
• a machine or part of a machine having a shape or function similar to that of a shovel.
• an amount of something carried or moved with shovel: a few shovels of earth.
verb (shoveled, shoveling; Brit. shovelled, shovelling) [ with obj. ]
move (coal, earth, snow, or similar material) with a shovel: she shoveled coal on the fire.
• remove snow from (an area) with a shovel: I'll clean the basement and shovel the walk.
• informal put or push (something, typically food) somewhere quickly and in large quantities: Dave was shoveling pasta into his mouth.
DERIVATIVES
shovelful |-ˌfo͝ol | noun (pl. shovelfuls)
ORIGIN Old English scofl, of Germanic origin; related to Dutch schoffel,German Schaufel, also to the verb shove.


ricketzz: Posted: February 6, 2014 5:39 a.m.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wuss

wuss
A person of dual sissiness. This is actually a combination word. The person this word describes is not only a wuss, he is part wimp and part puss. Originally first heard by Damone in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
Ahh!! your a frekin wuss!! part wimp, part puss.


CaptGene: Posted: February 6, 2014 8:33 a.m.

I'm not arguing the contraction part of the definition, not only does it make sense, it makes my case.

I'm questioning:

a. where's the Freudian Slip? You said that I made a Freudian Slip when I used "wuss" as a put down, even though "wuss" is considered a put down by, well, everybody, and you have offered no evidence to the contrary.

And,

b. where did "unseen prolific repetitive obstinate" come from. Not one of the words you offered is considered synonymous to "wuss" in the Urban Dictionary definition, nor is one of them offered as a synonym in any reliable dictionary, you know, like the grownups would use.

It appears that either you're trying to stretch the definition of a Freudian Slip in order to insult me in some way, or you didn't know the definition of "wuss" (so you made one up).

If it's the latter, you should just man up and admit you made a mistake. I've had to do it twice this week, yeah, it's embarrassing, but it's the right thing to do.

If it's the former, well, that actually has a greater Freudian implication for you than it does for me. --edited.


ricketzz: Posted: February 7, 2014 7:04 a.m.

I made a mistake. Your manhood is not threatened by Rose Parade wedding floats.


CaptGene: Posted: February 7, 2014 9:27 a.m.

Thanks.


Indy: Posted: February 11, 2014 7:26 p.m.

technologist wrote: Indy: "I still don’t understand why you hide your educational degrees . . . again, I can only assume that weakens one’s perspective on the business and economic issues facing us as your posts indicate."

If that's the case, how can you explain the ongoing successful rebuttal of your arguments by myself and others?

Indy: Really don’t want to break your libertarian bubble . . . but reciting ideology isn’t a sufficient rebuttal.

Sorry to have to let you know . . .


technologist: Posted: February 12, 2014 8:58 a.m.

So, you are the Ambassador from Burkina Faso, Indy?

The only bubble is the one you inhabit, Indy. Here's an article that will sate your narcissism for a moment:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-report-confirms-you-are-most-interesting-most,34857/


technologist: Posted: February 12, 2014 4:21 p.m.

"Indy: "I still don’t understand why you hide your educational degrees . . . "

In addition to my response, I'll add Steve's:

stevehw:
Posted: February 12, 2014 1:57 p.m.

"And why are you so curious about my educational background? Seems kind of creepy to me...in one of those weird, Internet-stalker sort of ways."


ricketzz: Posted: February 13, 2014 7:27 a.m.

The street economy needs a goose:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2014/02/11/raising-the-minimum-wage-would-be-good-for-wal-mart-and-america/

"Forbes, A Capitalist Tool" used to be the name when gay biker Malcolm Forbes ran the place. His son is more restrained.


technologist: Posted: February 15, 2014 9:59 p.m.

The goose of a minimum wage increase is cooked.


ricketzz: Posted: February 16, 2014 7:29 a.m.

Hey! That's just the way the Dickens movie about Ayn Rand ends.



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